Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Wendy Lin]

Whatever works. Everyone has their own preference how they like to unlock their 
phones.

> On Mar 11, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> And with Face Id you simply look at yoru phone instead of putting your finger 
> on the home button, as others pointed out, it's just as easy and seamless and 
> in some cases it works even better in others not. It seems there is a pretty 
> high probability that this Fall's iPhone will have both which would of course 
> be great.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones
> 
> The nice thing is, you don't have to use face ID if you don't want to.
> I remember a while ago, I talked to someone at apple accessibility.
> They were very helpful, and told me, that if you didn't want to use face ID, 
> you could use your pass-code instead.  If the iPhone 13 doesn't have a touch 
> ID option, that's what I'm going to do.  I'm glad if I don't want to use 
> faceID I don't have to.  I do like touch ID a lot, though, because if I want 
> to purchase an app, all I have to do, is just put my thumb on the home 
> button.  My phone makes a little ding, and I've purchased my app.  Its very 
> easy.
> 
> On 3/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the 
>> Face ID since there is no  touch ID.
>> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to 
>> wait until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
>> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
>> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
>> deals on the 11.
>> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
>> carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently 
>> offer it since that is part of the iPhone 12.
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
>> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
>> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
>> mother told me when I was young."
>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which 
>> have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
>> and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the 
>> bottom of the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app 
>> switcher. You also use the other physical buttons to do things like 
>> toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the phone.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Ken
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>> 
>> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, 
>> too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
>> Kenny
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Simon A Fogarty]

Only if you had them on the tip of your nose.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 12:13 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

Hi Simon,
No, that won't work as you would get your nasty booger's on the screen. LOL Mr. 
Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

I've thought about this myself,

I wondered how we would get on if you could have the tip of your nose as a 
finger print on your phone so if you do have wet fingers, You could use your 
nose?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:29 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

Another thing I forgot to mention, is that Face ID is great if you happen to 
have wet finger tips.  After washing dishes, I cannot unlock my phone without 
using my passcode.  I have the SE 2nd gen, so no face ID.  But when I was 
working and used the iPHone 11, the Face ID worked great.
Just drying your hands with a towel doesn't always get enough of the moisture 
off to not mess up the fingerprint sensor.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

And with Face Id you simply look at yoru phone instead of putting your finger 
on the home button, as others pointed out, it's just as easy and seamless and 
in some cases it works even better in others not. It seems there is a pretty 
high probability that this Fall's iPhone will have both which would of course 
be great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

The nice thing is, you don't have to use face ID if you don't want to.
I remember a while ago, I talked to someone at apple accessibility.
They were very helpful, and told me, that if you didn't want to use face ID, 
you could use your pass-code instead.  If the iPhone 13 doesn't have a touch ID 
option, that's what I'm going to do.  I'm glad if I don't want to use faceID I 
don't have to.  I do like touch ID a lot, though, because if I want to purchase 
an app, all I have to do, is just put my thumb on the home button.  My phone 
makes a little ding, and I've purchased my app.  Its very easy.

On 3/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the 
> Face ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to 
> wait until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
> deals on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
> carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently 
> offer it since that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
> mother told me when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which 
> have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
> and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the 
> bottom of the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app 
> switcher. You also use the other physical buttons to do things like 
> toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the phone.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, 
> too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Simon,
No, that won't work as you would get your nasty booger's on the screen. LOL
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

I've thought about this myself,

I wondered how we would get on if you could have the tip of your nose as a 
finger print on your phone so if you do have wet fingers,
You could use your nose?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:29 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

Another thing I forgot to mention, is that Face ID is great if you happen to 
have wet finger tips.  After washing dishes, I cannot unlock my phone without 
using my passcode.  I have the SE 2nd gen, so no face ID.  But when I was 
working and used the iPHone 11, the Face ID worked great.
Just drying your hands with a towel doesn't always get enough of the moisture 
off to not mess up the fingerprint sensor.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

And with Face Id you simply look at yoru phone instead of putting your finger 
on the home button, as others pointed out, it's just as easy and seamless and 
in some cases it works even better in others not. It seems there is a pretty 
high probability that this Fall's iPhone will have both which would of course 
be great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

The nice thing is, you don't have to use face ID if you don't want to.
I remember a while ago, I talked to someone at apple accessibility.
They were very helpful, and told me, that if you didn't want to use face ID, 
you could use your pass-code instead.  If the iPhone 13 doesn't have a touch ID 
option, that's what I'm going to do.  I'm glad if I don't want to use faceID I 
don't have to.  I do like touch ID a lot, though, because if I want to purchase 
an app, all I have to do, is just put my thumb on the home button.  My phone 
makes a little ding, and I've purchased my app.  Its very easy.

On 3/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the 
> Face ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to 
> wait until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
> deals on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
> carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently 
> offer it since that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
> mother told me when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which 
> have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
> and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the 
> bottom of the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app 
> switcher. You also use the other physical buttons to do things like 
> toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the phone.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, 
> too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Simon A Fogarty]

I have to agree,

I’m looking to update my 11 pro max but I’m getting the 13 rather than the 12 
simply because the 5g tech is still in the early stages,
And if there is an underscreen touch id then hey double the security options.

The only thing we have to watch with face id is if attention mode is on,
I know for myself looking at the camera is next to bloody impossible and I can 
look people directly in the eye

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:45 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

I agree with Sieghard on all counts.
Face ID works quite well, blind or not, and also finger dexterity might make 
entering a passcode hard, but it shouldn’t effect touch ID since you just have 
to touch the home button after training it, and training it is just touching it 
at slightly different angles until it learns your finger.

And, on upgrading, unless you need a new phone right now because your current 
phone is malfunctioning, wait and see what the 13 offers, plus, the 11 prices 
will drop when the 13 comes out.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

Not sure what being blind has to do with Face Id and being able to unlock your 
phone way easier and faster. I really hate it now when I have to unlock my 
phone in a store or authenticate a purchase and wearing my mask requires me to 
put in my passcode. I have an Apple Watch so I can't wait for 14.5 getting 
released because Apple has made it possible to do all that with Face Id and a 
mask on as long as you also wear your Apple Watch. I often want to check 
something when I am walking along with my dog and with Face I d I can just pull 
my phone out of it's belt case with my right hand, I can usually manage a swipe 
up and then I just glance at my phone and it unlocks. If iI have to enter my 
PIN I have to stop, drop the harness and use two hands.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Wendy 
Lin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

Wendy

On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

- Brad -

On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.
It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.
Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.
HTH,

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: thinking of up grading phones

Hi, I am still using an iphone 

RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Simon A Fogarty]

That's somewhat bad luck for you folks,

We heerre in NZ don't have to wear masks unless traveling on planes or public 
transport and that has only been a rule for the passed 2 weeks,

But I thought apple and Samsung did something to allow the phones to scan your 
face while wearing a mask and it works. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:39 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

the mask has made using face id so annoying. Other than that most of the time 
it works.

On 3/11/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Not sure what being blind has to do with Face Id and being able to 
> unlock your phone way easier and faster. I really hate it now when I 
> have to unlock my phone in a store or authenticate a purchase and 
> wearing my mask requires me to put in my passcode. I have an Apple 
> Watch so I can't wait for 14.5 getting released because Apple has made 
> it possible to do all that with Face Id and a mask on as long as you 
> also wear your Apple Watch. I often want to check something when I am 
> walking along with my dog and with Face I d I can just pull my phone 
> out of it's belt case with my right hand, I can usually manage a swipe 
> up and then I just glance at my phone and it unlocks. If iI have to enter my 
> PIN I have to stop, drop the harness and use two hands.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wendy Lin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones
>
> I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since 
> I’m blind, and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.
>
> Wendy
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>
> No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
> You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money 
> on the iPhone 11, 5G is the future.
>
> - Brad -
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner 
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>  The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with 
> the Face ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to 
> wait until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
> deals on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
> carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently 
> offer it since that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
> mother told me when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which 
> have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
> and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the 
> bottom of the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app 
> switcher. You also use the other physical buttons to do things like 
> toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the phone.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From:
> viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> legroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, 
> too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Simon A Fogarty]

I've thought about this myself,

I wondered how we would get on if you could have the tip of your nose as a 
finger print on your phone so if you do have wet fingers,
You could use your nose?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 4:29 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

Another thing I forgot to mention, is that Face ID is great if you happen to 
have wet finger tips.  After washing dishes, I cannot unlock my phone without 
using my passcode.  I have the SE 2nd gen, so no face ID.  But when I was 
working and used the iPHone 11, the Face ID worked great.
Just drying your hands with a towel doesn't always get enough of the moisture 
off to not mess up the fingerprint sensor.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

And with Face Id you simply look at yoru phone instead of putting your finger 
on the home button, as others pointed out, it's just as easy and seamless and 
in some cases it works even better in others not. It seems there is a pretty 
high probability that this Fall's iPhone will have both which would of course 
be great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

The nice thing is, you don't have to use face ID if you don't want to.
I remember a while ago, I talked to someone at apple accessibility.
They were very helpful, and told me, that if you didn't want to use face ID, 
you could use your pass-code instead.  If the iPhone 13 doesn't have a touch ID 
option, that's what I'm going to do.  I'm glad if I don't want to use faceID I 
don't have to.  I do like touch ID a lot, though, because if I want to purchase 
an app, all I have to do, is just put my thumb on the home button.  My phone 
makes a little ding, and I've purchased my app.  Its very easy.

On 3/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the 
> Face ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to 
> wait until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
> deals on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
> carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently 
> offer it since that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
> mother told me when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which 
> have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
> and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the 
> bottom of the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app 
> switcher. You also use the other physical buttons to do things like 
> toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the phone.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, 
> too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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[Carolyn]

Definitely far more convenient than passcode. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 6:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

There’s nothing wrong with using pass codes, but face ID is perfectly usable by 
a blind person. I find it more convenient then a passcode myself.

 

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

 

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

 

Wendy





On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.

You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on 
the iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

 

- Brad -


On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the 
Face ID since there is no  touch ID.

It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait 
until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor 
has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.

But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
deals on the 11.

Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it 
since that is part of the iPhone 12.

HTH,

 

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy





On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:



No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both 
of which have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of 
the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use 
the other physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or 
reset the phone.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: thinking of up grading phones

 

Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning 
curve, too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.

Kenny

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Sorry, the text finally reappeared after I restarted JAWS.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

 

I agree with Sieghard on all counts.

Face ID works quite well, blind or not, and also finger dexterity might make 
entering a passcode hard, but it shouldn’t effect touch ID since you just have 
to touch the home button after training it, and training it is just touching it 
at slightly different angles until it learns your finger.

 

And, on upgrading, unless you need a new phone right now because your current 
phone is malfunctioning, wait and see what the 13 offers, plus, the 11 prices 
will drop when the 13 comes out.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site,  <http://www.turner42.com> www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

 

Not sure what being blind has to do with Face Id and being able to unlock your 
phone way easier and faster. I really hate it now when I have to unlock my 
phone in a store or authenticate a purchase and wearing my mask requires me to 
put in my passcode. I have an Apple Watch so I can't wait for 14.5 getting 
released because Apple has made it possible to do all that with Face Id and a 
mask on as long as you also wear your Apple Watch. I often want to check 
something when I am walking along with my dog and with Face I d I can just pull 
my phone out of it's belt case with my right hand, I can usually manage a swipe 
up and then I just glance at my phone and it unlocks. If iI have to enter my 
PIN I have to stop, drop the harness and use two hands.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Wendy Lin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

 

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

 

Wendy

 

On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.

You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

 

- Brad -


On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.

It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.

But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.

Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.

HTH,

 

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:



No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

 

--

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: thinking of up grading phones

 

Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.

Kenny

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[Larry Lumpkin]

No text here.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

 

I agree with Sieghard on all counts.

Face ID works quite well, blind or not, and also finger dexterity might make 
entering a passcode hard, but it shouldn’t effect touch ID since you just have 
to touch the home button after training it, and training it is just touching it 
at slightly different angles until it learns your finger.

 

And, on upgrading, unless you need a new phone right now because your current 
phone is malfunctioning, wait and see what the 13 offers, plus, the 11 prices 
will drop when the 13 comes out.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site,  <http://www.turner42.com> www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

 

Not sure what being blind has to do with Face Id and being able to unlock your 
phone way easier and faster. I really hate it now when I have to unlock my 
phone in a store or authenticate a purchase and wearing my mask requires me to 
put in my passcode. I have an Apple Watch so I can't wait for 14.5 getting 
released because Apple has made it possible to do all that with Face Id and a 
mask on as long as you also wear your Apple Watch. I often want to check 
something when I am walking along with my dog and with Face I d I can just pull 
my phone out of it's belt case with my right hand, I can usually manage a swipe 
up and then I just glance at my phone and it unlocks. If iI have to enter my 
PIN I have to stop, drop the harness and use two hands.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Wendy Lin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

 

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

 

Wendy

 

On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.

You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

 

- Brad -


On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.

It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.

But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.

Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.

HTH,

 

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@outlook.com> > wrote:



No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: thinking of up grading phones

 

Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.

Kenny

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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Richard Turner]

I agree with Sieghard on all counts.
Face ID works quite well, blind or not, and also finger dexterity might make 
entering a passcode hard, but it shouldn’t effect touch ID since you just have 
to touch the home button after training it, and training it is just touching it 
at slightly different angles until it learns your finger.

And, on upgrading, unless you need a new phone right now because your current 
phone is malfunctioning, wait and see what the 13 offers, plus, the 11 prices 
will drop when the 13 comes out.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

Not sure what being blind has to do with Face Id and being able to unlock your 
phone way easier and faster. I really hate it now when I have to unlock my 
phone in a store or authenticate a purchase and wearing my mask requires me to 
put in my passcode. I have an Apple Watch so I can't wait for 14.5 getting 
released because Apple has made it possible to do all that with Face Id and a 
mask on as long as you also wear your Apple Watch. I often want to check 
something when I am walking along with my dog and with Face I d I can just pull 
my phone out of it's belt case with my right hand, I can usually manage a swipe 
up and then I just glance at my phone and it unlocks. If iI have to enter my 
PIN I have to stop, drop the harness and use two hands.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Wendy 
Lin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

Wendy

On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

- Brad -

On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.
It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.
Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.
HTH,

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: thinking of up grading phones

Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
Kenny
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[lenron brown]

the mask has made using face id so annoying. Other than that most of
the time it works.

On 3/11/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Not sure what being blind has to do with Face Id and being able to unlock
> your phone way easier and faster. I really hate it now when I have to unlock
> my phone in a store or authenticate a purchase and wearing my mask requires
> me to put in my passcode. I have an Apple Watch so I can't wait for 14.5
> getting released because Apple has made it possible to do all that with Face
> Id and a mask on as long as you also wear your Apple Watch. I often want to
> check something when I am walking along with my dog and with Face I d I can
> just pull my phone out of it's belt case with my right hand, I can usually
> manage a swipe up and then I just glance at my phone and it unlocks. If iI
> have to enter my PIN I have to stop, drop the harness and use two hands.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy
> Lin
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones
>
> I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m
> blind, and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.
>
> Wendy
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder
> mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>
> No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
> You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the
> iPhone 11, 5G is the future.
>
> - Brad -
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>  The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face
> ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait
> until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals
> on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers
> charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since
> that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation
> in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me
> when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain
> mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have
> home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it
> didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the
> screen to get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use
> the other physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or
> reset the phone.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From:
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
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>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too
> using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
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[Brad Snyder]

I wouldn't worry about any of this nonsense. There's always something new or 
rumored on the horizon.
If you want or need a new iPhone, go ahead and do it now.

- Brad -

On Mar 11, 2021, at 09:28, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I would highly recommend not to upgrade now. It's already mid March and whil 
the new 2021 phones are still 6 months away, an iPhon e8 is a good phone and I 
assume it probably works well. Especially if you were thinking of buying an 
iPhone 12 it is better to wait, if you can get a really good deal on an iPhone 
11 and if you don't care to have Touch Id as well as Face Id and you are not 
concerned about 5G and what the Lidar capable hardware might be capable of with 
respec tto blindness related app s then its OK to get an iPhone 11 now. In my 
opinion the 11 Pro or 11 Pro Max are a waste of money and they don't give a 
blind person a lot of advantages and as I said, I strongly discourage anybody 
from the iPhone 12 models because of their first generation 5G support, lack of 
Lidar except of in the Pro Max and maybe the Pro (I forget if only the Pro Max 
has it or also the Pro), but I know the regular 12 and 12 SE definitely don't 
have it.
If you are somebody who likes to get more than 2 or even 3 years out of an 
iPhone the iPhone 13 will in my opinion be the way to go.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
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Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Not sure what being blind has to do with Face Id and being able to unlock your 
phone way easier and faster. I really hate it now when I have to unlock my 
phone in a store or authenticate a purchase and wearing my mask requires me to 
put in my passcode. I have an Apple Watch so I can't wait for 14.5 getting 
released because Apple has made it possible to do all that with Face Id and a 
mask on as long as you also wear your Apple Watch. I often want to check 
something when I am walking along with my dog and with Face I d I can just pull 
my phone out of it's belt case with my right hand, I can usually manage a swipe 
up and then I just glance at my phone and it unlocks. If iI have to enter my 
PIN I have to stop, drop the harness and use two hands.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

Wendy


On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

- Brad -

On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.
It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.
Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.
HTH,

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy


On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

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Chaltain at Outlook

From: 
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Subject: thinking of up grading phones

Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Richard Turner]

Another thing I forgot to mention, is that Face ID is great if you happen to 
have wet finger tips.  After washing dishes, I cannot unlock my phone without 
using my passcode.  I have the SE 2nd gen, so no face ID.  But when I was 
working and used the iPHone 11, the Face ID worked great.
Just drying your hands with a towel doesn't always get enough of the moisture 
off to not mess up the fingerprint sensor.



Richard

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realize that you are in a hurry.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: thinking of up grading phones

And with Face Id you simply look at yoru phone instead of putting your finger 
on the home button, as others pointed out, it's just as easy and seamless and 
in some cases it works even better in others not. It seems there is a pretty 
high probability that this Fall's iPhone will have both which would of course 
be great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

The nice thing is, you don't have to use face ID if you don't want to.
I remember a while ago, I talked to someone at apple accessibility.
They were very helpful, and told me, that if you didn't want to use face ID, 
you could use your pass-code instead.  If the iPhone 13 doesn't have a touch ID 
option, that's what I'm going to do.  I'm glad if I don't want to use faceID I 
don't have to.  I do like touch ID a lot, though, because if I want to purchase 
an app, all I have to do, is just put my thumb on the home button.  My phone 
makes a little ding, and I've purchased my app.  Its very easy.

On 3/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the 
> Face ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to 
> wait until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
> deals on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
> carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently 
> offer it since that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
> mother told me when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which 
> have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
> and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the 
> bottom of the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app 
> switcher. You also use the other physical buttons to do things like 
> toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the phone.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, 
> too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I would highly recommend not to upgrade now. It's already mid March and whil 
the new 2021 phones are still 6 months away, an iPhon e8 is a good phone and I 
assume it probably works well. Especially if you were thinking of buying an 
iPhone 12 it is better to wait, if you can get a really good deal on an iPhone 
11 and if you don't care to have Touch Id as well as Face Id and you are not 
concerned about 5G and what the Lidar capable hardware might be capable of with 
respec tto blindness related app s then its OK to get an iPhone 11 now. In my 
opinion the 11 Pro or 11 Pro Max are a waste of money and they don't give a 
blind person a lot of advantages and as I said, I strongly discourage anybody 
from the iPhone 12 models because of their first generation 5G support, lack of 
Lidar except of in the Pro Max and maybe the Pro (I forget if only the Pro Max 
has it or also the Pro), but I know the regular 12 and 12 SE definitely don't 
have it.
If you are somebody who likes to get more than 2 or even 3 years out of an 
iPhone the iPhone 13 will in my opinion be the way to go.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: thinking of up grading phones

Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And with Face Id you simply look at yoru phone instead of putting your finger 
on the home button, as others pointed out, it's just as easy and seamless and 
in some cases it works even better in others not. It seems there is a pretty 
high probability that this Fall's iPhone will have both which would of course 
be great.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

The nice thing is, you don't have to use face ID if you don't want to.
I remember a while ago, I talked to someone at apple accessibility.
They were very helpful, and told me, that if you didn't want to use face ID, 
you could use your pass-code instead.  If the iPhone 13 doesn't have a touch ID 
option, that's what I'm going to do.  I'm glad if I don't want to use faceID I 
don't have to.  I do like touch ID a lot, though, because if I want to purchase 
an app, all I have to do, is just put my thumb on the home button.  My phone 
makes a little ding, and I've purchased my app.  Its very easy.

On 3/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the 
> Face ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to 
> wait until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good 
> deals on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some 
> carriers charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently 
> offer it since that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
> mother told me when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which 
> have home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, 
> and it didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the 
> bottom of the screen to get to the home page or bring up the app 
> switcher. You also use the other physical buttons to do things like 
> toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the phone.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, 
> too using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Christopher Chaltain]

There’s nothing wrong with using pass codes, but face ID is perfectly usable by 
a blind person. I find it more convenient then a passcode myself.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

Wendy


On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder 
mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

- Brad -

On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.
It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.
Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.
HTH,

Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy


On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@outlook.com>> wrote:

No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Brad Snyder]

You can still use the original gestures to access the Notifications and Control 
Center.
Just touch the status bar, at the top of the screen, then swipe down with 
3-fingers, to access the Notification area, or swipe up with 3-fingers to 
access the Control Center.
Works like a charm, as it always has on all older iPhones.

- Brad -


On Mar 10, 2021, at 22:06, Tom Lange  wrote:

Hi,
I recently upgraded to an iPhone 12 Pro and I can say that getting used to the 
absence of a Home button isn’t a big deal, although I do sometimes have trouble 
swiping down from the top of the screen to get into Control Center or 
Notifications. So, to get around that difficulty I set up Back Tap so that a 
single-finger double-tap gets me into Control Center and a single-finger triple 
tap gets me into Notifications. Works great. Also, in the Facebook app or any 
place where I can’t find the Back button, I’ve set it up so that a two-finger 
quadruple  tap works like the scrub gesture, which has always been problematic 
for me.
As a side note, I do like Face ID. 

Tom

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
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> 
> Hi,
>  
> It really depends on the person,
>  
> But generally no,
>  
> I’d personally suggest going to your local retailer and have a look / play 
> with an iPhone with no home button,
>  
> But generally it’s pretty easy,
>  
> However,
> I do find myself tapping the screen on my se to unlock it, when I need to 
> press the home button to wake it up.
>  
> That’s however what you get when you have both an 11 and an se 2nd edition.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2021 10:00 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>  
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too 
> using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Wendy Lin]

I have a friend who has the iPhone 12 mini and encourages me to get one in my 
next phone upgrade. I guess I’ll have to get used to the new way of home button 
lol. And actually I’ve gotten used to Facebook not having the back button. It 
sure is annoying for a lot of blind users but double tapping on newsfeed if 
we’re scrolling in our newsfeeds, brings us back to the list of postings and 
same applies for the notifications.

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 11:06 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I recently upgraded to an iPhone 12 Pro and I can say that getting used to 
> the absence of a Home button isn’t a big deal, although I do sometimes have 
> trouble swiping down from the top of the screen to get into Control Center or 
> Notifications. So, to get around that difficulty I set up Back Tap so that a 
> single-finger double-tap gets me into Control Center and a single-finger 
> triple tap gets me into Notifications. Works great. Also, in the Facebook app 
> or any place where I can’t find the Back button, I’ve set it up so that a 
> two-finger quadruple  tap works like the scrub gesture, which has always been 
> problematic for me.
> As a side note, I do like Face ID. 
> 
> Tom
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
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>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> It really depends on the person,
>>  
>> But generally no,
>>  
>> I’d personally suggest going to your local retailer and have a look / play 
>> with an iPhone with no home button,
>>  
>> But generally it’s pretty easy,
>>  
>> However,
>> I do find myself tapping the screen on my se to unlock it, when I need to 
>> press the home button to wake it up.
>>  
>> That’s however what you get when you have both an 11 and an se 2nd edition.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> > > On Behalf Of Ken
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2021 10:00 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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>>  
>> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too 
>> using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
>> Kenny
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

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Hi,
I recently upgraded to an iPhone 12 Pro and I can say that getting used to the 
absence of a Home button isn’t a big deal, although I do sometimes have trouble 
swiping down from the top of the screen to get into Control Center or 
Notifications. So, to get around that difficulty I set up Back Tap so that a 
single-finger double-tap gets me into Control Center and a single-finger triple 
tap gets me into Notifications. Works great. Also, in the Facebook app or any 
place where I can’t find the Back button, I’ve set it up so that a two-finger 
quadruple  tap works like the scrub gesture, which has always been problematic 
for me.
As a side note, I do like Face ID. 

Tom

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
>  
> It really depends on the person,
>  
> But generally no,
>  
> I’d personally suggest going to your local retailer and have a look / play 
> with an iPhone with no home button,
>  
> But generally it’s pretty easy,
>  
> However,
> I do find myself tapping the screen on my se to unlock it, when I need to 
> press the home button to wake it up.
>  
> That’s however what you get when you have both an 11 and an se 2nd edition.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2021 10:00 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Wendy Lin]

I’ve always stuck to passcode. I don’t see the use of Face ID since I’m blind, 
and my degstarity is not the greatest for Touch ID.

Wendy

> On Mar 10, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
> You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
> iPhone 11, 5G is the future.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner  > wrote:
> 
>  The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face 
> ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
> we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has 
> it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals 
> on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
> charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since 
> that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain > > wrote:
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>> 
>> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
>> home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it 
>> didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the 
>> screen to get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use 
>> the other physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or 
>> reset the phone.
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>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,

It really depends on the person,

But generally no,

I’d personally suggest going to your local retailer and have a look / play with 
an iPhone with no home button,

But generally it’s pretty easy,

However,
I do find myself tapping the screen on my se to unlock it, when I need to press 
the home button to wake it up.

That’s however what you get when you have both an 11 and an se 2nd edition.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2021 10:00 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: thinking of up grading phones

Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
Kenny
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Carolyn]

Yes it will, but to put mine on, I went outside on a bright and sunny day. I 
bring up my phone in a dark room any time I want to with facial ID, and it 
works fine. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brad Snyder
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: thinking of up grading phones

FaceID uses infrared light, which is emitted from sensors located near the 
earpiece on a FaceID enabled device.
The presents of sunlight is irrelevant, because FaceID does not use visible 
light, and will work in complete and total darkness.


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On Mar 10, 2021, at 09:58, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
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There is not that much of a learning curve in my opinion to go from Home Button 
to no Home Button, and I am in my 80's, never looked back, even put in my own 
facial ID on a sunny day. The guy at Wal-Mart could not get it to do it, but I 
had no problem with that either. 

The other day, my husband asked me about how to do something on his tablet, and 
I had to stop and think how to do it using a Home Button. 

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Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade. 

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FaceID uses infrared light, which is emitted from sensors located near the 
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The presents of sunlight is irrelevant, because FaceID does not use visible 
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On Mar 10, 2021, at 09:58, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

There is not that much of a learning curve in my opinion to go from Home Button 
to no Home Button, and I am in my 80's, never looked back, even put in my own 
facial ID on a sunny day. The guy at Wal-Mart could not get it to do it, but I 
had no problem with that either. 

The other day, my husband asked me about how to do something on his tablet, and 
I had to stop and think how to do it using a Home Button. 

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Yes, to get Home Page, slide one finger up until you hear a little pop, and 
swing finger up twice for App Switcher, down once for Control Center and down 
to two pops for Notifications. VOILA, that is it! It just works! 

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No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

 

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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Carolyn]

There is not that much of a learning curve in my opinion to go from Home Button 
to no Home Button, and I am in my 80's, never looked back, even put in my own 
facial ID on a sunny day. The guy at Wal-Mart could not get it to do it, but I 
had no problem with that either. 

The other day, my husband asked me about how to do something on his tablet, and 
I had to stop and think how to do it using a Home Button. 

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I know many, such as Jonathan Mosen, who prefer the Plus-size iPhones, because 
the larger phone provides more room for braille screen input.

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On Mar 10, 2021, at 08:21, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I still have an iPhone 7 from the office, and my wife has an iPhone 7, but I 
don’t have any problem going back and forth between the iPhone 7 and the iPhone 
11, except that I sometimes find myself sliding up from the bottom of the 
iPhone 7 instead of hitting the home button! One thing I like about the iPhone 
11 and the fact that it doesn’t have a home button is that I think it’s easier 
to use braille screen input. The larger screen and the lack of a home button 
gives you more room for the braille keyboard.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad 
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Everyone's different, but when I first got my iPhone X, I easily learned the 
new gestures. After about an hour, I never gave it another thought. Now, it 
seems so weird to use my wife's iPhone SE with a home button. Actually, I 
really hate using a phone with a  home button. It seemed very cumbersome  and 
awkward to have to fool with that home button.

- Brad -

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I still have an iPhone 7 from the office, and my wife has an iPhone 7, but I 
don’t have any problem going back and forth between the iPhone 7 and the iPhone 
11, except that I sometimes find myself sliding up from the bottom of the 
iPhone 7 instead of hitting the home button! One thing I like about the iPhone 
11 and the fact that it doesn’t have a home button is that I think it’s easier 
to use braille screen input. The larger screen and the lack of a home button 
gives you more room for the braille keyboard.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad 
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Everyone's different, but when I first got my iPhone X, I easily learned the 
new gestures. After about an hour, I never gave it another thought. Now, it 
seems so weird to use my wife's iPhone SE with a home button. Actually, I 
really hate using a phone with a  home button. It seemed very cumbersome  and 
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Brad Snyder]

No reason to wait. Face ID is seamless and superior to touch ID.
You won't regret making the upgrade. Don't  waste your time or money on the 
iPhone 11, 5G is the future.

- Brad -

On Mar 10, 2021, at 06:18, Richard Turner  wrote:

 The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.
It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.
Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.
HTH,


Richard

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> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
> home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
> take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen 
> to get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
> physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
> phone.
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> Chaltain at Outlook
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ken
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Joshua Hendrickson]

The nice thing is, you don't have to use face ID if you don't want to.
I remember a while ago, I talked to someone at apple accessibility.
They were very helpful, and told me, that if you didn't want to use
face ID, you could use your pass-code instead.  If the iPhone 13
doesn't have a touch ID option, that's what I'm going to do.  I'm glad
if I don't want to use faceID I don't have to.  I do like touch ID a
lot, though, because if I want to purchase an app, all I have to do,
is just put my thumb on the home button.  My phone makes a little
ding, and I've purchased my app.  Its very easy.

On 3/10/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face
> ID since there is no  touch ID.
> It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait
> until we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall.
> Rumor has it that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
> But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals
> on the 11.
> Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers
> charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since
> that is part of the iPhone 12.
> HTH,
>
>
> Richard
>
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation
> in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me
> when I was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>
> On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain 
> wrote:
>
> 
> No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have
> home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it
> didn’t take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the
> screen to get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use
> the other physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or
> reset the phone.
>
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> Chaltain at Outlook
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ken
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: thinking of up grading phones
>
> Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too
> using a phone without the home key? Am wanting to upgrade.
> Kenny
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Brad Snyder]

Everyone's different, but when I first got my iPhone X, I easily learned the 
new gestures. After about an hour, I never gave it another thought. Now, it 
seems so weird to use my wife's iPhone SE with a home button. Actually, I 
really hate using a phone with a  home button. It seemed very cumbersome  and 
awkward to have to fool with that home button.

- Brad -

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Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
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Re: thinking of up grading phones

[Richard Turner]

The people I have worked with had the biggest learning curve with the Face ID 
since there is no  touch ID.
It isn't that hard, but if your 8 is working fine, you may want to wait until 
we hear more details on what the iPhone 13 has to offer this fall. Rumor has it 
that it may contain both touch ID and Face ID.
But, if you really need to upgrade sooner, you will probably find good deals on 
the 11.
Check with your carrier if you are thinking about the 12 since some carriers 
charge more for 5 g service, even if they do not currently offer it since that 
is part of the iPhone 12.
HTH,


Richard

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon 
airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:09 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:


No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ken
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Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
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RE: thinking of up grading phones

[Christopher Chaltain]

No there isn’t. I went from an iPhone 7 and a Galaxy S7, both of which have 
home buttons, to a iPhone 11, which doesn’t have a home button, and it didn’t 
take long at all to pick up. You just swipe up from the bottom of the screen to 
get to the home page or bring up the app switcher. You also use the other 
physical buttons to do things like toggle voiceOver on and off or reset the 
phone.

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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:00 AM
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Hi, I am still using an iphone 8, is there much of a learning curve, too using 
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