RE: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom

2017-01-30 Thread Alan Lemly 
And if you want to copy the last thing VoiceOver spoke to your clipboard, 
you'll have to turn zoom off since the three-finger quadruple tap is the 
gesture to do this.

 

Alan Lemly 

 

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Richard Turner
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Subject: Re: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom

 

 

The practice mode does not work if you have zoom and VoiceOver on.

Mostly, if zoom is on, it impacts the three finger gestures. As Helga said, 
mute speech becomes three finger triple tap.

Toggling the screen curtain becomes three finger quadruple tap.

I'll seem if the list I have has others.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

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On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> 
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Hi Tom  How are you? I'm not low vision, but I'm totally  blind,and I only use 
Voiceover not soom. However, I herd that in order to mute  speech of Voiceover 
you need to do three fingers triple  tap instead of doing three   fingers 
double tap. Question, did you try to do the Voiceover practice that is on 
settings when Voiceover and soom are running at the same time? You can practice 
gestures that way. I look forward in hearing from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

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On Jan 30, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hey all,
I've been using iPhones with VoiceOver for six years now and consider myself to 
be very familiar with VoiceOver gestures but I'm not familiar with the extent 
to which Zoom changes VoiceOver gestures.  That causes problems for me when I 
attempt to teach someone with low vision to use an iPhone with the VoiceOver 
and Zoom  combination.  Is there any reference file out there which can help me 
learn the differences between when VoiceOver is running and when  VoiceOver and 
Zoom are running? I'd certainly find something like that useful, and I'm sure 
my students would, too. 

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Tom


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RE: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom

2017-01-30 Thread Richard Turner 
It looks like as far as gesture changes go, it is just those two three finger 
gestures.
But, as others have stated, VoiceOver and Zoom do not play well together.
They get out of sync in spite of the focus option in the zoom settings.
So, zoom might show something on the screen, but VoiceOver can be reading stuff 
that is not visual at that moment.  That is very confusing.
I try to convince clients to just use VoiceOver.  If they stick with it, they 
will be more efficient than having to enlarge the text especially on a phone.

HTH,
Richard


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Subject: Re: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom


The practice mode does not work if you have zoom and VoiceOver on.
Mostly, if zoom is on, it impacts the three finger gestures. As Helga said, 
mute speech becomes three finger triple tap.
Toggling the screen curtain becomes three finger quadruple tap.
I'll seem if the list I have has others.
HTH,
Richard


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On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Helga Schreiber 
<helga.schreibe...@gmail.com<mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Tom  How are you? I'm not low vision, but I'm totally  blind,and I only use 
Voiceover not soom. However, I herd that in order to mute  speech of Voiceover 
you need to do three fingers triple  tap instead of doing three   fingers 
double tap. Question, did you try to do the Voiceover practice that is on 
settings when Voiceover and soom are running at the same time? You can practice 
gestures that way. I look forward in hearing from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber
Group Moderator

  for the IPad help for the blind

ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io<mailto:ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io>


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Students.
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On Jan 30, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Tom Lange 
<lang...@gmail.com<mailto:lang...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hey all,
I've been using iPhones with VoiceOver for six years now and consider myself to 
be very familiar with VoiceOver gestures but I'm not familiar with the extent 
to which Zoom changes VoiceOver gestures.  That causes problems for me when I 
attempt to teach someone with low vision to use an iPhone with the VoiceOver 
and Zoom  combination.  Is there any reference file out there which can help me 
learn the differences between when VoiceOver is running and when  VoiceOver and 
Zoom are running? I'd certainly find something like that useful, and I'm sure 
my students would, too.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Tom


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Re: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom

2017-01-30 Thread Scott Berry 
I have also heard that Zooms and Voiceover don’t always play well together 
either.  Not sure if that has changed in recent versions of IOS.


> On Jan 30, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Helga Schreiber  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom  How are you? I'm not low vision, but I'm totally  blind,and I only 
> use Voiceover not soom. However, I herd that in order to mute  speech of 
> Voiceover you need to do three fingers triple  tap instead of doing three   
> fingers double tap. Question, did you try to do the Voiceover practice that 
> is on settings when Voiceover and soom are running at the same time? You can 
> practice gestures that way. I look forward in hearing from yousoon. Thanks 
> and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the blind 
>  
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io 
>   
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950  
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> px 
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> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Jan 30, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Tom Lange  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey all,
>> I've been using iPhones with VoiceOver for six years now and consider myself 
>> to be very familiar with VoiceOver gestures but I'm not familiar with the 
>> extent to which Zoom changes VoiceOver gestures.  That causes problems for 
>> me when I attempt to teach someone with low vision to use an iPhone with the 
>> VoiceOver and Zoom  combination.  Is there any reference file out there 
>> which can help me learn the differences between when VoiceOver is running 
>> and when  VoiceOver and Zoom are running? I'd certainly find something like 
>> that useful, and I'm sure my students would, too. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Tom
>> 
>> 
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Re: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom

2017-01-30 Thread Richard Turner 

The practice mode does not work if you have zoom and VoiceOver on.
Mostly, if zoom is on, it impacts the three finger gestures. As Helga said, 
mute speech becomes three finger triple tap.
Toggling the screen curtain becomes three finger quadruple tap.
I'll seem if the list I have has others.
HTH,
Richard



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On Jan 30, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Helga Schreiber 
> wrote:

Hi Tom  How are you? I'm not low vision, but I'm totally  blind,and I only use 
Voiceover not soom. However, I herd that in order to mute  speech of Voiceover 
you need to do three fingers triple  tap instead of doing three   fingers 
double tap. Question, did you try to do the Voiceover practice that is on 
settings when Voiceover and soom are running at the same time? You can practice 
gestures that way. I look forward in hearing from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber
Group Moderator

  for the IPad help for the blind

ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
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believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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On Jan 30, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Tom Lange 
> wrote:



Hey all,
I've been using iPhones with VoiceOver for six years now and consider myself to 
be very familiar with VoiceOver gestures but I'm not familiar with the extent 
to which Zoom changes VoiceOver gestures.  That causes problems for me when I 
attempt to teach someone with low vision to use an iPhone with the VoiceOver 
and Zoom  combination.  Is there any reference file out there which can help me 
learn the differences between when VoiceOver is running and when  VoiceOver and 
Zoom are running? I'd certainly find something like that useful, and I'm sure 
my students would, too.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Tom


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Re: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom

2017-01-30 Thread Pete Nalda 
The biggest two problems are typing as zoom seems to interfere with editing, 
and the zoom panning and voiceover don't play well. VoiceOver seems to think 
I'm changing pages. I find it difficult, but not Impossible. 

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> On Jan 30, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hey all,
> I've been using iPhones with VoiceOver for six years now and consider myself 
> to be very familiar with VoiceOver gestures but I'm not familiar with the 
> extent to which Zoom changes VoiceOver gestures.  That causes problems for me 
> when I attempt to teach someone with low vision to use an iPhone with the 
> VoiceOver and Zoom  combination.  Is there any reference file out there which 
> can help me learn the differences between when VoiceOver is running and when  
> VoiceOver and Zoom are running? I'd certainly find something like that 
> useful, and I'm sure my students would, too. 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
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Re: Gesture Changes with Voiceover and Zoom

2017-01-30 Thread Helga Schreiber 
Hi Tom  How are you? I'm not low vision, but I'm totally  blind,and I only use 
Voiceover not soom. However, I herd that in order to mute  speech of Voiceover 
you need to do three fingers triple  tap instead of doing three   fingers 
double tap. Question, did you try to do the Voiceover practice that is on 
settings when Voiceover and soom are running at the same time? You can practice 
gestures that way. I look forward in hearing from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
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> On Jan 30, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hey all,
> I've been using iPhones with VoiceOver for six years now and consider myself 
> to be very familiar with VoiceOver gestures but I'm not familiar with the 
> extent to which Zoom changes VoiceOver gestures.  That causes problems for me 
> when I attempt to teach someone with low vision to use an iPhone with the 
> VoiceOver and Zoom  combination.  Is there any reference file out there which 
> can help me learn the differences between when VoiceOver is running and when  
> VoiceOver and Zoom are running? I'd certainly find something like that 
> useful, and I'm sure my students would, too. 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Best regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 7
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