Voice Control, Dictation and Voiceover

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Hi again

I emailed Apple Accessibility about this issue and they confirm that the only 
way to use VC and VO together is to used wired headphones.

I asked if they could address the issue of VC listening to VO and they have 
passed it to the appropriate people.

Best

Adrienne

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Voice Control, Dictation and Voiceover

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Thanks for the feedback.

Two observations. 

First, it seems that editing text as demonstrated in the Apple Support videos 
is not going to be possible unless and until Voice Control can be persuaded to 
ignore Voiceover. 

Second, I may be imagining it, but I get the impression that dictation is more 
accurate using Voice Control than the normal dictate button on the keyboard. I 
haven’t tried to use the dictate button when off-line, but I assume you can’t 
use it then, unlike Voice Control dictation.

Cheers

Adrienne

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Re: Voice Control, Dictation and Voiceover

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

If you say “command mode”, you can go to the text edit field and, when the 
keyboard comes up, you can say either “2 finger double tap” or “tap dictate”. 
You then hear the sound to indicate that the microphone is listening - but, as 
you dictate, VoiceOver does not read out what is being dictated. When you are 
finished, say “tap done” and then the keyboard disappears and VoiceOver reads 
out what you have just dictated. Because you are in command mode, there is no 
infinite feedback loop!
Harry

> On 10 Mar 2020, at 10:17, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
>  because Voice Control is always listening, you have to use earphones if you 
> are using VoiceOver.
> Unlike Hey Siri, Voice Control does not know whose talking.
> So, you are not doing anything wrong, and there is no other way than those 
> you have discovered; turn off speech, or use an earphone.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:56 AM, 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to use Voice Control on my iPhone, iPad Mini and MBP. I am 
>> getting the hang of Voice Control for general commands and have adjusted 
>> various settings, such as feedback and hints, to assist with this.
>> 
>> However, I am having terrible trouble when it comes to dictation, including 
>> editing text, within Voice Control. The only way I can seem to manage 
>> without it endlessly dictating to itself is either to switch off Voiceover, 
>> or to use an ancient old earphone in the 3.5mm jack on my MBP. BT headphones 
>> don’t seem to be much use for various reasons, including lag.
>> 
>> I can’t seem to find any articles, blogs or podcasts about using dictation 
>> within Voice Control and Voiceover. Any suggestions? Have any of you had any 
>> success with dictation and editing?
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Adrienne 
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Re: Voice Control, Dictation and Voiceover

[Richard Turner]

because Voice Control is always listening, you have to use earphones if you are 
using VoiceOver.
Unlike Hey Siri, Voice Control does not know whose talking.
So, you are not doing anything wrong, and there is no other way than those you 
have discovered; turn off speech, or use an earphone.
HTH,



Richard
"There's a nap for that."
Sent from my iPhone
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On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:56 AM, 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hi all

I’ve been trying to use Voice Control on my iPhone, iPad Mini and MBP. I am 
getting the hang of Voice Control for general commands and have adjusted 
various settings, such as feedback and hints, to assist with this.

However, I am having terrible trouble when it comes to dictation, including 
editing text, within Voice Control. The only way I can seem to manage without 
it endlessly dictating to itself is either to switch off Voiceover, or to use 
an ancient old earphone in the 3.5mm jack on my MBP. BT headphones don’t seem 
to be much use for various reasons, including lag.

I can’t seem to find any articles, blogs or podcasts about using dictation 
within Voice Control and Voiceover. Any suggestions? Have any of you had any 
success with dictation and editing?

Best

Adrienne

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Re: Voice Control, Dictation and Voiceover

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

When using voice control to write text, either use headphones as you describe 
or say “Command mode” and then, when you are in a text edit field and the 
keyboard has appeared, say “Tap dictate” and say what you want to dictate: in 
my experience, VoiceOver does not read out the text, so there is no feedback 
Loop. Someone else suggested that we introduce what you want to dictate with 
the command “Type...”. But this does not work reliably for me. 
Harry

> On 10 Mar 2020, at 09:56, 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> I’ve been trying to use Voice Control on my iPhone, iPad Mini and MBP. I am 
> getting the hang of Voice Control for general commands and have adjusted 
> various settings, such as feedback and hints, to assist with this.
> 
> However, I am having terrible trouble when it comes to dictation, including 
> editing text, within Voice Control. The only way I can seem to manage without 
> it endlessly dictating to itself is either to switch off Voiceover, or to use 
> an ancient old earphone in the 3.5mm jack on my MBP. BT headphones don’t seem 
> to be much use for various reasons, including lag.
> 
> I can’t seem to find any articles, blogs or podcasts about using dictation 
> within Voice Control and Voiceover. Any suggestions? Have any of you had any 
> success with dictation and editing?
> 
> Best
> 
> Adrienne 
> 
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Voice Control, Dictation and Voiceover

['ChalmersAS' via VIPhone]

Hi all

I’ve been trying to use Voice Control on my iPhone, iPad Mini and MBP. I am 
getting the hang of Voice Control for general commands and have adjusted 
various settings, such as feedback and hints, to assist with this.

However, I am having terrible trouble when it comes to dictation, including 
editing text, within Voice Control. The only way I can seem to manage without 
it endlessly dictating to itself is either to switch off Voiceover, or to use 
an ancient old earphone in the 3.5mm jack on my MBP. BT headphones don’t seem 
to be much use for various reasons, including lag.

I can’t seem to find any articles, blogs or podcasts about using dictation 
within Voice Control and Voiceover. Any suggestions? Have any of you had any 
success with dictation and editing?

Best

Adrienne 

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