Re: braille displays with iPad
Hi Denise, I was going to suggest something similar to the below using headings. I see you're looking for more though. If you'd like me to build on what's been said already, feel free to ask specific questions and I'll get to them unless someone else beats me to it. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-06-25, at 7:53 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > I would suggest adding "Containers" to your rotor in Settings, accessibility, > Voice Over. I don't use braille however I will give you the description of > how it works with a bluetooth keyboard and hope you can do the translation to > a braille display. > Once you have added containers to your rotor you can use the up and left or > right arrows to adjust the rotor and select containers. Now when you press > either the up or down arrow you will jump between the major sections of the > mail app. This lets you get very quickly between different places on the mail > app. > > You can have a listen to a podcast I am putting together at the moment. The > dropbox link below is an episode where I cover some of the iPad specific > gestures and discuss containers. As it happens it was with the mail app that > I gave the demo. The podcasts is about gestures, not keyboards but the > principles are the same. > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10084394/iBt-006-Gestures201-iPad.mp3 > > > Hope it helps > > > Garth > iblindtech.com > On 25/06/2012, at 6:52 PM, denise avant wrote: > >> hi, >> it is easy to understand that you can control the iphone with the Braille >> Display. But what about the ipad? for example, using the focus, how do you >> control the ipad reading mail since things are in columns? it seems like you >> would have to have some interaction with the ipad to highlight things. also, >> when reading in read2go and you need to switch pages, how do you land at the >> top of the next page. >> what are the best keys for navigating the focus and ipad or iphone? right >> now i am using the older unit to see if i'm interested in getting the new >> unit. >> thanks. >> >> On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Hi, ask away on or off list. I should be able to help. I'm currently >>> supporting IPad with focus blue, brailliant BI, and braille pen. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting >>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 2012-06-23, at 11:24 AM, denise avant wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I am wondering if there is someone using one of the Braille Displays with >>>> an ipad, particularly the focus 40. if so, can you contact me off list as >>>> I have some navigation questions given the ipad's layout versus that of >>>> the iphone? thank you. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphon
Re: braille displays with iPad
Hello Denise, I use the Focus 40 Blue very happily with both the iPhone and iPad. I haven't tried Garth's suggestion regarding the rotor. Best Regards Ron Miller Ron Miller On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:16 PM, denise avant wrote: > Hello Garth, > yes that was helpful. though i would still like to hear from a Braille user > with the ipad if possible. > > On Jun 25, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > >> I would suggest adding "Containers" to your rotor in Settings, >> accessibility, Voice Over. I don't use braille however I will give you the >> description of how it works with a bluetooth keyboard and hope you can do >> the translation to a braille display. >> Once you have added containers to your rotor you can use the up and left or >> right arrows to adjust the rotor and select containers. Now when you press >> either the up or down arrow you will jump between the major sections of the >> mail app. This lets you get very quickly between different places on the >> mail app. >> >> You can have a listen to a podcast I am putting together at the moment. The >> dropbox link below is an episode where I cover some of the iPad specific >> gestures and discuss containers. As it happens it was with the mail app that >> I gave the demo. The podcasts is about gestures, not keyboards but the >> principles are the same. >> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10084394/iBt-006-Gestures201-iPad.mp3 >> >> >> Hope it helps >> >> >> Garth >> iblindtech.com >> On 25/06/2012, at 6:52 PM, denise avant wrote: >> >>> hi, >>> it is easy to understand that you can control the iphone with the Braille >>> Display. But what about the ipad? for example, using the focus, how do you >>> control the ipad reading mail since things are in columns? it seems like >>> you would have to have some interaction with the ipad to highlight things. >>> also, when reading in read2go and you need to switch pages, how do you land >>> at the top of the next page. >>> what are the best keys for navigating the focus and ipad or iphone? right >>> now i am using the older unit to see if i'm interested in getting the new >>> unit. >>> thanks. >>> >>> On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, ask away on or off list. I should be able to help. I'm currently >>>> supporting IPad with focus blue, brailliant BI, and braille pen. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting >>>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. >>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>>> >>>> On 2012-06-23, at 11:24 AM, denise avant wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> I am wondering if there is someone using one of the Braille Displays with >>>>> an ipad, particularly the focus 40. if so, can you contact me off list as >>>>> I have some navigation questions given the ipad's layout versus that of >>>>> the iphone? thank you. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPh
Re: braille displays with iPad
Hello Garth, yes that was helpful. though i would still like to hear from a Braille user with the ipad if possible. On Jun 25, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: > I would suggest adding "Containers" to your rotor in Settings, accessibility, > Voice Over. I don't use braille however I will give you the description of > how it works with a bluetooth keyboard and hope you can do the translation to > a braille display. > Once you have added containers to your rotor you can use the up and left or > right arrows to adjust the rotor and select containers. Now when you press > either the up or down arrow you will jump between the major sections of the > mail app. This lets you get very quickly between different places on the mail > app. > > You can have a listen to a podcast I am putting together at the moment. The > dropbox link below is an episode where I cover some of the iPad specific > gestures and discuss containers. As it happens it was with the mail app that > I gave the demo. The podcasts is about gestures, not keyboards but the > principles are the same. > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10084394/iBt-006-Gestures201-iPad.mp3 > > > Hope it helps > > > Garth > iblindtech.com > On 25/06/2012, at 6:52 PM, denise avant wrote: > >> hi, >> it is easy to understand that you can control the iphone with the Braille >> Display. But what about the ipad? for example, using the focus, how do you >> control the ipad reading mail since things are in columns? it seems like you >> would have to have some interaction with the ipad to highlight things. also, >> when reading in read2go and you need to switch pages, how do you land at the >> top of the next page. >> what are the best keys for navigating the focus and ipad or iphone? right >> now i am using the older unit to see if i'm interested in getting the new >> unit. >> thanks. >> >> On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Hi, ask away on or off list. I should be able to help. I'm currently >>> supporting IPad with focus blue, brailliant BI, and braille pen. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting >>> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. >>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 2012-06-23, at 11:24 AM, denise avant wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I am wondering if there is someone using one of the Braille Displays with >>>> an ipad, particularly the focus 40. if so, can you contact me off list as >>>> I have some navigation questions given the ipad's layout versus that of >>>> the iphone? thank you. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>> Google Group. >>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: braille displays with iPad
I would suggest adding "Containers" to your rotor in Settings, accessibility, Voice Over. I don't use braille however I will give you the description of how it works with a bluetooth keyboard and hope you can do the translation to a braille display. Once you have added containers to your rotor you can use the up and left or right arrows to adjust the rotor and select containers. Now when you press either the up or down arrow you will jump between the major sections of the mail app. This lets you get very quickly between different places on the mail app. You can have a listen to a podcast I am putting together at the moment. The dropbox link below is an episode where I cover some of the iPad specific gestures and discuss containers. As it happens it was with the mail app that I gave the demo. The podcasts is about gestures, not keyboards but the principles are the same. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10084394/iBt-006-Gestures201-iPad.mp3 Hope it helps Garth iblindtech.com On 25/06/2012, at 6:52 PM, denise avant wrote: > hi, > it is easy to understand that you can control the iphone with the Braille > Display. But what about the ipad? for example, using the focus, how do you > control the ipad reading mail since things are in columns? it seems like you > would have to have some interaction with the ipad to highlight things. also, > when reading in read2go and you need to switch pages, how do you land at the > top of the next page. > what are the best keys for navigating the focus and ipad or iphone? right now > i am using the older unit to see if i'm interested in getting the new unit. > thanks. > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi, ask away on or off list. I should be able to help. I'm currently >> supporting IPad with focus blue, brailliant BI, and braille pen. >> >> Best, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting >> at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. >> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 >> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> >> On 2012-06-23, at 11:24 AM, denise avant wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> I am wondering if there is someone using one of the Braille Displays with >>> an ipad, particularly the focus 40. if so, can you contact me off list as I >>> have some navigation questions given the ipad's layout versus that of the >>> iphone? thank you. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: braille displays with iPad
hi, it is easy to understand that you can control the iphone with the Braille Display. But what about the ipad? for example, using the focus, how do you control the ipad reading mail since things are in columns? it seems like you would have to have some interaction with the ipad to highlight things. also, when reading in read2go and you need to switch pages, how do you land at the top of the next page. what are the best keys for navigating the focus and ipad or iphone? right now i am using the older unit to see if i'm interested in getting the new unit. thanks. On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:34 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hi, ask away on or off list. I should be able to help. I'm currently > supporting IPad with focus blue, brailliant BI, and braille pen. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at > $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2012-06-23, at 11:24 AM, denise avant wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I am wondering if there is someone using one of the Braille Displays with an >> ipad, particularly the focus 40. if so, can you contact me off list as I >> have some navigation questions given the ipad's layout versus that of the >> iphone? thank you. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: braille displays with iPad
Hi, ask away on or off list. I should be able to help. I'm currently supporting IPad with focus blue, brailliant BI, and braille pen. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-06-23, at 11:24 AM, denise avant wrote: > Hello all, > I am wondering if there is someone using one of the Braille Displays with an > ipad, particularly the focus 40. if so, can you contact me off list as I have > some navigation questions given the ipad's layout versus that of the iphone? > thank you. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
braille displays with iPad
Hello all, I am wondering if there is someone using one of the Braille Displays with an ipad, particularly the focus 40. if so, can you contact me off list as I have some navigation questions given the ipad's layout versus that of the iphone? thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Questions about iOS and braille displays
Hello Grant, I think there are some techniques for working with email via your Braille display that can be difficult to explain/conceive via email. So, if you would like, I will be happy to give you a call either via telephone or Skype to we can go through the process, together. Contact me, off-list if you would like to do this, OK? Mark On May 1, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: > Hi all, > > There's a couple of tasks which are easy to perform from the touch screen of > my iPhone, but which I have not found equivalent ways of doing using my > braille display. Specifically, I'm using a BrailleNote Apex BT. > > The first task is to toggle editing functions when you are in a long list of > items, without losing your place in the list. For example, suppose you were > reviewing a long list of Email messages in the Mail app, and decided that you > would like to mark a couple for deletion. On the touch screen, you would tap > on the Edit button in the top-right corner, and then tap roughly in the > center of the screen to move back to the list in approximately the same spot. > But on a braille device, if you perform the command, say, to move to the > first element on the screen, and then move forward a couple of elements to > find the Edit button, then if you kept moving forward you would arrive at the > top of the list again and you'd have to move forward several elements to find > the item you were on before. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I am > guessing this is the best you can do with a braille device? > > The other task is to force VoiceOver to regain focus. Sometimes, when I go to > the home screen, or review the status bar, VoiceOver loses its focus. The > previous and next element commands do not work. It's not a big deal when > using the touch screen because you can just tap manually somewhere to get > VoiceOver to focus upon that element, after which normal navigation resumes. > But on a braille device, I haven't found an equivalent. > > I hope these make some sense. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Grant > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Questions about iOS and braille displays
Hello, This is one of the big differences between the one-dimensional traditional accessible interface that we blind people are use to (serial), and the two-dimensional interface that the sighted use. The braille display gives only one dimension of access. The iOS touch-screen gives two-dimensions of access. You need to use the touch-screen to get the two-dimensions of access. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 02/05/2012, at 12:40, Grant Hardy wrote: > Hi all, > > There's a couple of tasks which are easy to perform from the touch screen of > my iPhone, but which I have not found equivalent ways of doing using my > braille display. Specifically, I'm using a BrailleNote Apex BT. > > The first task is to toggle editing functions when you are in a long list of > items, without losing your place in the list. For example, suppose you were > reviewing a long list of Email messages in the Mail app, and decided that you > would like to mark a couple for deletion. On the touch screen, you would tap > on the Edit button in the top-right corner, and then tap roughly in the > center of the screen to move back to the list in approximately the same spot. > But on a braille device, if you perform the command, say, to move to the > first element on the screen, and then move forward a couple of elements to > find the Edit button, then if you kept moving forward you would arrive at the > top of the list again and you'd have to move forward several elements to find > the item you were on before. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I am > guessing this is the best you can do with a braille device? > > The other task is to force VoiceOver to regain focus. Sometimes, when I go to > the home screen, or review the status bar, VoiceOver loses its focus. The > previous and next element commands do not work. It's not a big deal when > using the touch screen because you can just tap manually somewhere to get > VoiceOver to focus upon that element, after which normal navigation resumes. > But on a braille device, I haven't found an equivalent. > > I hope these make some sense. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Grant > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Questions about iOS and braille displays
Hi. I will try and answer the one about mail and what I do when using a braille display although use a Eurobraille. 1. If there are a lot of mesages in the thread, (and you want to read messages in order)? Make sure you open the message first either by using the routing cells on the display or double tapping your I phone screen (whatever is easier for you). 2. If you do space bar L, you will land at the edit box. If you do not want to read all the messages, press the routing cell on your display. 3. You will notice that the button has changed to cancel. 4. Move across with your Joice Stick and double tap each message you do not want to read. 5. When all messges have been selected, chord 4 5 6 (space bar needs to be pressed together). You will land on a choice of buttons. Labelled as Mark, move, delete or refresh. Find the delete and press your routing cell. All messages be deleted. Otherwise, when in your inbox, find the edit field, press your routing cell. without opening each message, double tap chord right and find the delete button. All messages be deleted. Hope this is useful for anyone who has roblems reading mail with their braille display. Kawal. On 2 May 2012, at 04:29 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: > Hi Grant, > > When I Use a braille display, I always have the iPhone within easy reach so > that I can perform the tasks that work better on the screen with the screen > and those that work better with the display on the display. That way, I have > the best of both worlds. > > Best, > Anna > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> There's a couple of tasks which are easy to perform from the touch screen of >> my iPhone, but which I have not found equivalent ways of doing using my >> braille display. Specifically, I'm using a BrailleNote Apex BT. >> >> The first task is to toggle editing functions when you are in a long list of >> items, without losing your place in the list. For example, suppose you were >> reviewing a long list of Email messages in the Mail app, and decided that >> you would like to mark a couple for deletion. On the touch screen, you would >> tap on the Edit button in the top-right corner, and then tap roughly in the >> center of the screen to move back to the list in approximately the same >> spot. But on a braille device, if you perform the command, say, to move to >> the first element on the screen, and then move forward a couple of elements >> to find the Edit button, then if you kept moving forward you would arrive at >> the top of the list again and you'd have to move forward several elements to >> find the item you were on before. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I am >> guessing this is the best you can do with a braille device? >> >> The other task is to force VoiceOver to regain focus. Sometimes, when I go >> to the home screen, or review the status bar, VoiceOver loses its focus. The >> previous and next element commands do not work. It's not a big deal when >> using the touch screen because you can just tap manually somewhere to get >> VoiceOver to focus upon that element, after which normal navigation resumes. >> But on a braille device, I haven't found an equivalent. >> >> I hope these make some sense. Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Grant >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Questions about iOS and braille displays
Hi Grant, When I Use a braille display, I always have the iPhone within easy reach so that I can perform the tasks that work better on the screen with the screen and those that work better with the display on the display. That way, I have the best of both worlds. Best, Anna Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: > Hi all, > > There's a couple of tasks which are easy to perform from the touch screen of > my iPhone, but which I have not found equivalent ways of doing using my > braille display. Specifically, I'm using a BrailleNote Apex BT. > > The first task is to toggle editing functions when you are in a long list of > items, without losing your place in the list. For example, suppose you were > reviewing a long list of Email messages in the Mail app, and decided that you > would like to mark a couple for deletion. On the touch screen, you would tap > on the Edit button in the top-right corner, and then tap roughly in the > center of the screen to move back to the list in approximately the same spot. > But on a braille device, if you perform the command, say, to move to the > first element on the screen, and then move forward a couple of elements to > find the Edit button, then if you kept moving forward you would arrive at the > top of the list again and you'd have to move forward several elements to find > the item you were on before. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I am > guessing this is the best you can do with a braille device? > > The other task is to force VoiceOver to regain focus. Sometimes, when I go to > the home screen, or review the status bar, VoiceOver loses its focus. The > previous and next element commands do not work. It's not a big deal when > using the touch screen because you can just tap manually somewhere to get > VoiceOver to focus upon that element, after which normal navigation resumes. > But on a braille device, I haven't found an equivalent. > > I hope these make some sense. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Grant > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Questions about iOS and braille displays
Hi all, There's a couple of tasks which are easy to perform from the touch screen of my iPhone, but which I have not found equivalent ways of doing using my braille display. Specifically, I'm using a BrailleNote Apex BT. The first task is to toggle editing functions when you are in a long list of items, without losing your place in the list. For example, suppose you were reviewing a long list of Email messages in the Mail app, and decided that you would like to mark a couple for deletion. On the touch screen, you would tap on the Edit button in the top-right corner, and then tap roughly in the center of the screen to move back to the list in approximately the same spot. But on a braille device, if you perform the command, say, to move to the first element on the screen, and then move forward a couple of elements to find the Edit button, then if you kept moving forward you would arrive at the top of the list again and you'd have to move forward several elements to find the item you were on before. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I am guessing this is the best you can do with a braille device? The other task is to force VoiceOver to regain focus. Sometimes, when I go to the home screen, or review the status bar, VoiceOver loses its focus. The previous and next element commands do not work. It's not a big deal when using the touch screen because you can just tap manually somewhere to get VoiceOver to focus upon that element, after which normal navigation resumes. But on a braille device, I haven't found an equivalent. I hope these make some sense. Any ideas? Thanks, Grant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
