Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

2021-05-22 Thread Richard Turner 
Malcolm, you are right. There I go again blaming a beature unfairly just 
because I don't find it useful, grin.
Asking Aplle Accessibility to do a screen share will be the quickest way to 
figure this out.
HTH,



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On May 22, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:

 Richard, I may well be wrong here but I think Screen Recognition can only be 
enabled within apps and not on any of the screens containing apps if you see 
what I mean.

One thing I would like to see is Actions added to the verbosity settings in 
Applications so that for example when reading an e-mail message one could 
suppress the announcement of “actions available’ after each line.  There are 
instances where this announcement is useful but you can only adjust this 
globally.

Malcolm Parfitt

On 22 May 2021, at 14:27, Richard Turner  wrote:

 Malcolm,
I'm with you about the screen recognition.
I was thinking if it was on, maybe it was messing him up.
It could also be his technique of sliding, he may actually be sliding between 
the icons.
I never recommend sliding around to find an icon/app. Flicking is far more 
reliable.
If nothing helps, it will be time to call Apple Accessibility and do a screen 
share so they can see exactly what is happening when he touches his screen.
Good luck,



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 22, 2021, at 2:33 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:


Hello Richard,

Thanks for correcting me on the latest version number of iOS, I have the beta 
running here and my memory is not quite what it used to be.

I have checked all settings on his iPhone and he has it set up identically to 
mine. So I don’t know what’s going on but I’ll have another look later.

I have not found Screen Recognition to be of any use.

Before anyone criticises  me for saying that, I am not saying Screen 
Recognition is useless, it is just that it has not proved useful with the apps 
and the way I use my iPhone.  I look forward to future developments.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 21 May 2021 22:09
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

I do not know what he is doing to not have other apps announced, but he may 
want to check the settings for describe images and screen recognition. Also, 
14.5.1 is the latest build.


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On May 21, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>> wrote:
A friend of mine has an iPhone SE 2020 running the latest iOS 14.4.

If he places his finger on the screen and moves left, right, up or down 
Voiceover does not announce the apps as he moves through them although the 
iPhone does make the click and provide haptic feedback as expected.

The only way he can have apps announced is to flick right and left through them.

Oddly enough, the only apps that are spoken correctly if he places his finger 
on them and moves right and left are those in the Dock.

So for example on the bottom row he has:

Phone, Mail, Safari and Music.  If he places his finger bottom left and moves 
right apps are read out correctly but no where else.

Any suggestions welcome.

Malcolm Parfitt

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Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

2021-05-22 Thread Malcolm Parfitt 
Richard, I may well be wrong here but I think Screen Recognition can only be 
enabled within apps and not on any of the screens containing apps if you see 
what I mean.

One thing I would like to see is Actions added to the verbosity settings in 
Applications so that for example when reading an e-mail message one could 
suppress the announcement of “actions available’ after each line.  There are 
instances where this announcement is useful but you can only adjust this 
globally.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 May 2021, at 14:27, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
>  Malcolm,
> I'm with you about the screen recognition.
> I was thinking if it was on, maybe it was messing him up.
> It could also be his technique of sliding, he may actually be sliding between 
> the icons.
> I never recommend sliding around to find an icon/app. Flicking is far more 
> reliable.
> If nothing helps, it will be time to call Apple Accessibility and do a screen 
> share so they can see exactly what is happening when he touches his screen.
> Good luck,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 22, 2021, at 2:33 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello Richard,
>>  
>> Thanks for correcting me on the latest version number of iOS, I have the 
>> beta running here and my memory is not quite what it used to be.
>>  
>> I have checked all settings on his iPhone and he has it set up identically 
>> to mine. So I don’t know what’s going on but I’ll have another look later.
>>  
>> I have not found Screen Recognition to be of any use.
>>  
>> Before anyone criticises  me for saying that, I am not saying Screen 
>> Recognition is useless, it is just that it has not proved useful with the 
>> apps and the way I use my iPhone.  I look forward to future developments.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: 21 May 2021 22:09
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?
>>  
>> I do not know what he is doing to not have other apps announced, but he may 
>> want to check the settings for describe images and screen recognition. Also, 
>> 14.5.1 is the latest build.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Richard 
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>  
>> www.turner42.com
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On May 21, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine has an iPhone SE 2020 running the latest iOS 14.4.
>> 
>> If he places his finger on the screen and moves left, right, up or down 
>> Voiceover does not announce the apps as he moves through them although the 
>> iPhone does make the click and provide haptic feedback as expected.
>> 
>> The only way he can have apps announced is to flick right and left through 
>> them.
>> 
>> Oddly enough, the only apps that are spoken correctly if he places his 
>> finger on them and moves right and left are those in the Dock.
>> 
>> So for example on the bottom row he has:
>> 
>> Phone, Mail, Safari and Music.  If he places his finger bottom left and 
>> moves right apps are read out correctly but no where else.
>> 
>> Any suggestions welcome.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
>> 
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Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

2021-05-22 Thread Richard Turner 
Malcolm,
I'm with you about the screen recognition.
I was thinking if it was on, maybe it was messing him up.
It could also be his technique of sliding, he may actually be sliding between 
the icons.
I never recommend sliding around to find an icon/app. Flicking is far more 
reliable.
If nothing helps, it will be time to call Apple Accessibility and do a screen 
share so they can see exactly what is happening when he touches his screen.
Good luck,



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 22, 2021, at 2:33 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:


Hello Richard,

Thanks for correcting me on the latest version number of iOS, I have the beta 
running here and my memory is not quite what it used to be.

I have checked all settings on his iPhone and he has it set up identically to 
mine. So I don’t know what’s going on but I’ll have another look later.

I have not found Screen Recognition to be of any use.

Before anyone criticises  me for saying that, I am not saying Screen 
Recognition is useless, it is just that it has not proved useful with the apps 
and the way I use my iPhone.  I look forward to future developments.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 21 May 2021 22:09
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

I do not know what he is doing to not have other apps announced, but he may 
want to check the settings for describe images and screen recognition. Also, 
14.5.1 is the latest build.


Richard
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On May 21, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt 
mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk>> wrote:
A friend of mine has an iPhone SE 2020 running the latest iOS 14.4.

If he places his finger on the screen and moves left, right, up or down 
Voiceover does not announce the apps as he moves through them although the 
iPhone does make the click and provide haptic feedback as expected.

The only way he can have apps announced is to flick right and left through them.

Oddly enough, the only apps that are spoken correctly if he places his finger 
on them and moves right and left are those in the Dock.

So for example on the bottom row he has:

Phone, Mail, Safari and Music.  If he places his finger bottom left and moves 
right apps are read out correctly but no where else.

Any suggestions welcome.

Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

2021-05-22 Thread Malcolm Parfitt 
Hello Richard,

 

Thanks for correcting me on the latest version number of iOS, I have the beta 
running here and my memory is not quite what it used to be.

 

I have checked all settings on his iPhone and he has it set up identically to 
mine. So I don’t know what’s going on but I’ll have another look later.

 

I have not found Screen Recognition to be of any use.

 

Before anyone criticises  me for saying that, I am not saying Screen 
Recognition is useless, it is just that it has not proved useful with the apps 
and the way I use my iPhone.  I look forward to future developments.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 21 May 2021 22:09
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

 

I do not know what he is doing to not have other apps announced, but he may 
want to check the settings for describe images and screen recognition. Also, 
14.5.1 is the latest build. 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

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On May 21, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt mailto:malc...@parfitt1.org.uk> > wrote:

A friend of mine has an iPhone SE 2020 running the latest iOS 14.4.

If he places his finger on the screen and moves left, right, up or down 
Voiceover does not announce the apps as he moves through them although the 
iPhone does make the click and provide haptic feedback as expected.

The only way he can have apps announced is to flick right and left through them.

Oddly enough, the only apps that are spoken correctly if he places his finger 
on them and moves right and left are those in the Dock.

So for example on the bottom row he has:

Phone, Mail, Safari and Music.  If he places his finger bottom left and moves 
right apps are read out correctly but no where else.

Any suggestions welcome.

Malcolm Parfitt

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Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

2021-05-21 Thread Richard Turner 
I do not know what he is doing to not have other apps announced, but he may 
want to check the settings for describe images and screen recognition. Also, 
14.5.1 is the latest build.



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On May 21, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:

A friend of mine has an iPhone SE 2020 running the latest iOS 14.4.

If he places his finger on the screen and moves left, right, up or down 
Voiceover does not announce the apps as he moves through them although the 
iPhone does make the click and provide haptic feedback as expected.

The only way he can have apps announced is to flick right and left through them.

Oddly enough, the only apps that are spoken correctly if he places his finger 
on them and moves right and left are those in the Dock.

So for example on the bottom row he has:

Phone, Mail, Safari and Music.  If he places his finger bottom left and moves 
right apps are read out correctly but no where else.

Any suggestions welcome.

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Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?

2021-05-21 Thread Malcolm Parfitt 
A friend of mine has an iPhone SE 2020 running the latest iOS 14.4.

If he places his finger on the screen and moves left, right, up or down 
Voiceover does not announce the apps as he moves through them although the 
iPhone does make the click and provide haptic feedback as expected.

The only way he can have apps announced is to flick right and left through them.

Oddly enough, the only apps that are spoken correctly if he places his finger 
on them and moves right and left are those in the Dock.

So for example on the bottom row he has:

Phone, Mail, Safari and Music.  If he places his finger bottom left and moves 
right apps are read out correctly but no where else.

Any suggestions welcome.

Malcolm Parfitt

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RE: iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Nancy Lynn 
Look in settings and see if you can change it there.
Sending a virtual hug from Nancy Lynn
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Hello:
My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally announces 
an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are announced 
verbally and not with the initial notifying ding.  How do I change these issues 
to have the ring tone for calls and ding for text messages.  Thanks in advance.
Louise
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RE: iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Carolyn 
The Mute Switch is just above the Volume Up and Volume Down buttons. There is a 
slit, and this lever in bottom position if set, and in mid position if 
released. 

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Volume is fine.  Where is the mute switch?

 

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Check to see if your mute switch is switch on. If not, check the “sound and 
haptics” section of settings, to see if your volume is low.





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Hello:

My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally 
announces an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are 
announced verbally and not with the initial notifying ding.  How do I change 
these issues to have the ring tone for calls and ding for text messages.  
Thanks in advance.

Louise

 

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Re: iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Richard Turner 
Its actually a lever or switch, not really a button.
Flip it toward the back of the phone for mute, and toward the front for unmute.




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On Jun 15, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Laury, Shawnese (LEO)  wrote:


It is located on the top left side of the phone. With the phone facing you if 
you push the button to the back of the phone it is muted and the other way is 
sound and your phone should say muted or unmuted when you change the direction 
of the button.


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Volume is fine.  Where is the mute switch?

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Check to see if your mute switch is switch on. If not, check the “sound and 
haptics” section of settings, to see if your volume is low.

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Hello:
My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally announces 
an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are announced 
verbally and not with the initial notifying ding.  How do I change these issues 
to have the ring tone for calls and ding for text messages.  Thanks in advance.
Louise

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RE: iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Laury, Shawnese (LEO) 
It is located on the top left side of the phone. With the phone facing you if 
you push the button to the back of the phone it is muted and the other way is 
sound and your phone should say muted or unmuted when you change the direction 
of the button.


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Volume is fine.  Where is the mute switch?

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Check to see if your mute switch is switch on. If not, check the “sound and 
haptics” section of settings, to see if your volume is low.

On Jun 15, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Louise Peyton 
mailto:lp2...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello:
My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally announces 
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Louise

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RE: iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Louise Peyton 
Volume is fine.  Where is the mute switch?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Devin 
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Check to see if your mute switch is switch on. If not, check the “sound and 
haptics” section of settings, to see if your volume is low.


On Jun 15, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Louise Peyton 
mailto:lp2...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Hello:
My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally announces 
an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are announced 
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Louise

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Re: iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Michael Feir 
Sounds like you have your mute switch set on mute. Flick the switch to the
other position and the ringer and alert sounds will play. You'll find the
mute switch near the volume buttons on the side of your phone.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:45 PM Louise Peyton  wrote:

> Hello:
>
> My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally
> announces an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are
> announced verbally and not with the initial notifying ding.  How do I
> change these issues to have the ring tone for calls and ding for text
> messages.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Louise
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Re: iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Devin Prater 
Check to see if your mute switch is switch on. If not, check the “sound and 
haptics” section of settings, to see if your volume is low.

> On Jun 15, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Louise Peyton  wrote:
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> Hello:
> My new SE 2020 doesn’t ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally announces 
> an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are announced 
> verbally and not with the initial notifying ding.  How do I change these 
> issues to have the ring tone for calls and ding for text messages.  Thanks in 
> advance.
> Louise
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iphone se 2020 question

2020-06-15 Thread Louise Peyton 
Hello:
My new SE 2020 doesn't ring when a call comes in.  It just verbally announces 
an incoming call.  Also, announced incoming text messages are announced 
verbally and not with the initial notifying ding.  How do I change these issues 
to have the ring tone for calls and ding for text messages.  Thanks in advance.
Louise

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