Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-21 Thread Alexandre Courbot
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:21 AM Nicolas Dufresne  wrote:
>
> Le mercredi 20 mai 2020 à 12:19 +0900, Alexandre Courbot a écrit :
> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:29 AM Nicolas Dufresne  
> > wrote:
> > > Le mardi 19 mai 2020 à 17:37 +0900, Keiichi Watanabe a écrit :
> > > > Hi Nicolas,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:38 AM Nicolas Dufresne <
> > > > nico...@ndufresne.ca
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > Le lundi 11 mai 2020 à 20:49 +0900, Keiichi Watanabe a écrit :
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Saket for your feedback. As Dmitry mentioned, we're focusing 
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > video encoding and decoding, not camera. So, my reply was about how 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > implement paravirtualized video codec devices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:25 PM Dmitry Sepp <
> > > > > > dmitry.s...@opensynergy.com
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Saket,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Keiichi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > > > > > > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the 
> > > > > > > > scope
> > > > > > > > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That was my understanding as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not really because the API which the vicodec provides is V4L2 
> > > > > > stateful
> > > > > > decoder interface [1], which are also used by other video drivers on
> > > > > > Linux.
> > > > > > The difference between vicodec and actual device drivers is that
> > > > > > vicodec performs decoding in the kernel space without using special
> > > > > > video devices. In other words, vicodec is a software decoder in 
> > > > > > kernel
> > > > > > space which provides the same interface with actual video drivers.
> > > > > > Thus, if the QEMU implementation can forward virtio-video requests 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > vicodec, it can forward them to the actual V4L2 video decoder 
> > > > > > devices
> > > > > > as well and VM gets access to a paravirtualized video device.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason why we discussed vicodec in the previous thread was it'll
> > > > > > allow us to test the virtio-video driver without hardware 
> > > > > > requirement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/media/uapi/v4l/dev-decoder.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which 
> > > > > > > > shares the
> > > > > > > > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I 
> > > > > > > had a plan to
> > > > > > > support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the 
> > > > > > > decision was
> > > > > > > made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate 
> > > > > > > device type. We
> > > > > > > still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a 
> > > > > > > downstream
> > > > > > > patch though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs 
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or 
> > > > > > > > hotplugged
> > > > > > > > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in 
> > > > > > > general has no
> > > > > > > requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact 
> > > > > > > flexible
> > > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host 
> > > > > > > > userspace, they
> > > > > > > > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > > > > > > > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding Gstreamer, I intended this video decoding API [2]. If QEMU
> > > > > > can translate virtio-video requests to this API, we can easily 
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > multiple platforms.
> > > > > > I'm not sure how feasible it is though, as I have no experience of
> > > > > > using this API by myself...
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure which API you aim exactly, but what one need to remember is 
> > > > > that
> > > > > mapping virtio-video CODEC on top of VAAPI, V4L2 Stateless, NVDEC or 
> > > > > other type
> > > > > of "stateless" CODEC is not trivial and can't be done without 
> > > > > userspace. Notably
> > > > > because we don't want to do bitstream parsing in the kernel on the 
> > > > > main CPU as
> > > > > security would otherwise be very hard to guaranty. The other driver 
> > > > > using same
> > > > > API as virtio-video do bitstream parsing on a dedicated co-processor 
> > > > > (through
> >

Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-20 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:21:05PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> Le mercredi 20 mai 2020 à 12:19 +0900, Alexandre Courbot a écrit :
> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:29 AM Nicolas Dufresne  
> > wrote:
> > > Le mardi 19 mai 2020 à 17:37 +0900, Keiichi Watanabe a écrit :
> > > > Hi Nicolas,
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:38 AM Nicolas Dufresne <
> > > > nico...@ndufresne.ca
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > Le lundi 11 mai 2020 à 20:49 +0900, Keiichi Watanabe a écrit :
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks Saket for your feedback. As Dmitry mentioned, we're focusing 
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > video encoding and decoding, not camera. So, my reply was about how 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > implement paravirtualized video codec devices.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:25 PM Dmitry Sepp <
> > > > > > dmitry.s...@opensynergy.com
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Saket,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Keiichi,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > > > > > > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the 
> > > > > > > > scope
> > > > > > > > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That was my understanding as well.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Not really because the API which the vicodec provides is V4L2 
> > > > > > stateful
> > > > > > decoder interface [1], which are also used by other video drivers on
> > > > > > Linux.
> > > > > > The difference between vicodec and actual device drivers is that
> > > > > > vicodec performs decoding in the kernel space without using special
> > > > > > video devices. In other words, vicodec is a software decoder in 
> > > > > > kernel
> > > > > > space which provides the same interface with actual video drivers.
> > > > > > Thus, if the QEMU implementation can forward virtio-video requests 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > vicodec, it can forward them to the actual V4L2 video decoder 
> > > > > > devices
> > > > > > as well and VM gets access to a paravirtualized video device.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The reason why we discussed vicodec in the previous thread was it'll
> > > > > > allow us to test the virtio-video driver without hardware 
> > > > > > requirement.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/media/uapi/v4l/dev-decoder.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which 
> > > > > > > > shares the
> > > > > > > > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I 
> > > > > > > had a plan to
> > > > > > > support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the 
> > > > > > > decision was
> > > > > > > made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate 
> > > > > > > device type. We
> > > > > > > still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a 
> > > > > > > downstream
> > > > > > > patch though.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs 
> > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or 
> > > > > > > > hotplugged
> > > > > > > > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in 
> > > > > > > general has no
> > > > > > > requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact 
> > > > > > > flexible
> > > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host 
> > > > > > > > userspace, they
> > > > > > > > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > > > > > > > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regarding Gstreamer, I intended this video decoding API [2]. If QEMU
> > > > > > can translate virtio-video requests to this API, we can easily 
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > multiple platforms.
> > > > > > I'm not sure how feasible it is though, as I have no experience of
> > > > > > using this API by myself...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not sure which API you aim exactly, but what one need to remember is 
> > > > > that
> > > > > mapping virtio-video CODEC on top of VAAPI, V4L2 Stateless, NVDEC or 
> > > > > other type
> > > > > of "stateless" CODEC is not trivial and can't be done without 
> > > > > userspace. Notably
> > > > > because we don't want to do bitstream parsing in the kernel on the 
> > > > > main CPU as
> > > > > security would otherwise be very hard to guaranty. The other driver 
> > > > > using same
> > > > > API as virtio-video do bitstream parsing on a dedicated co-pr

Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-19 Thread Alexandre Courbot
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:29 AM Nicolas Dufresne  wrote:
>
> Le mardi 19 mai 2020 à 17:37 +0900, Keiichi Watanabe a écrit :
> > Hi Nicolas,
> >
> > On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:38 AM Nicolas Dufresne <
> > nico...@ndufresne.ca
> > > wrote:
> > > Le lundi 11 mai 2020 à 20:49 +0900, Keiichi Watanabe a écrit :
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Saket for your feedback. As Dmitry mentioned, we're focusing on
> > > > video encoding and decoding, not camera. So, my reply was about how to
> > > > implement paravirtualized video codec devices.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:25 PM Dmitry Sepp <
> > > > dmitry.s...@opensynergy.com
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Saket,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Keiichi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > > > > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the 
> > > > > > scope
> > > > > > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> > > > >
> > > > > That was my understanding as well.
> > > >
> > > > Not really because the API which the vicodec provides is V4L2 stateful
> > > > decoder interface [1], which are also used by other video drivers on
> > > > Linux.
> > > > The difference between vicodec and actual device drivers is that
> > > > vicodec performs decoding in the kernel space without using special
> > > > video devices. In other words, vicodec is a software decoder in kernel
> > > > space which provides the same interface with actual video drivers.
> > > > Thus, if the QEMU implementation can forward virtio-video requests to
> > > > vicodec, it can forward them to the actual V4L2 video decoder devices
> > > > as well and VM gets access to a paravirtualized video device.
> > > >
> > > > The reason why we discussed vicodec in the previous thread was it'll
> > > > allow us to test the virtio-video driver without hardware requirement.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/media/uapi/v4l/dev-decoder.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> > > > >
> > > > > This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a 
> > > > > plan to
> > > > > support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the 
> > > > > decision was
> > > > > made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device 
> > > > > type. We
> > > > > still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a 
> > > > > downstream
> > > > > patch though.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> > > > > > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> > > > > > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> > > > >
> > > > > We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general 
> > > > > has no
> > > > > requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact 
> > > > > flexible
> > > > > enough
> > > > > to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, 
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > > > > > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> > > >
> > > > Regarding Gstreamer, I intended this video decoding API [2]. If QEMU
> > > > can translate virtio-video requests to this API, we can easily support
> > > > multiple platforms.
> > > > I'm not sure how feasible it is though, as I have no experience of
> > > > using this API by myself...
> > >
> > > Not sure which API you aim exactly, but what one need to remember is that
> > > mapping virtio-video CODEC on top of VAAPI, V4L2 Stateless, NVDEC or 
> > > other type
> > > of "stateless" CODEC is not trivial and can't be done without userspace. 
> > > Notably
> > > because we don't want to do bitstream parsing in the kernel on the main 
> > > CPU as
> > > security would otherwise be very hard to guaranty. The other driver using 
> > > same
> > > API as virtio-video do bitstream parsing on a dedicated co-processor 
> > > (through
> > > firmware blobs though).
> > >
> > > Having bridges between virtio-video, qemu and some abstraction library 
> > > like
> > > FFMPEG or GStreamer is certainly the best solution if you want to 
> > > virtualize any
> > > type of HW accelerated decoder or if you need to virtualized something
> > > proprietary (like NVDEC). Please shout if you need help.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, I meant we should map virtio-video commands to a set of
> > abstracted userspace APIs to avoid having many platform-dependent code
> > in QEMU.
> > This is the same with what we implemented in crosvm, a VMM on
> > ChromiumOS. Crosvm's video device translates virtio-video comman

Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-19 Thread Keiichi Watanabe
Hi Nicolas,

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 8:38 AM Nicolas Dufresne  wrote:
>
> Le lundi 11 mai 2020 à 20:49 +0900, Keiichi Watanabe a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > Thanks Saket for your feedback. As Dmitry mentioned, we're focusing on
> > video encoding and decoding, not camera. So, my reply was about how to
> > implement paravirtualized video codec devices.
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:25 PM Dmitry Sepp 
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Saket,
> > >
> > > On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > > Hi Keiichi,
> > > >
> > > > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
> > > > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> > >
> > > That was my understanding as well.
> >
> > Not really because the API which the vicodec provides is V4L2 stateful
> > decoder interface [1], which are also used by other video drivers on
> > Linux.
> > The difference between vicodec and actual device drivers is that
> > vicodec performs decoding in the kernel space without using special
> > video devices. In other words, vicodec is a software decoder in kernel
> > space which provides the same interface with actual video drivers.
> > Thus, if the QEMU implementation can forward virtio-video requests to
> > vicodec, it can forward them to the actual V4L2 video decoder devices
> > as well and VM gets access to a paravirtualized video device.
> >
> > The reason why we discussed vicodec in the previous thread was it'll
> > allow us to test the virtio-video driver without hardware requirement.
> >
> > [1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/media/uapi/v4l/dev-decoder.html
> >
> > > > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > > >
> > > > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
> > > > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> > >
> > > This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a plan 
> > > to
> > > support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the decision 
> > > was
> > > made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device type. 
> > > We
> > > still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a downstream
> > > patch though.
> > >
> > > > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> > > > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> > > > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> > >
> > > We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general has 
> > > no
> > > requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact flexible
> > > enough
> > > to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
> > >
> > > > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
> > > > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > > > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> >
> > Regarding Gstreamer, I intended this video decoding API [2]. If QEMU
> > can translate virtio-video requests to this API, we can easily support
> > multiple platforms.
> > I'm not sure how feasible it is though, as I have no experience of
> > using this API by myself...
>
> Not sure which API you aim exactly, but what one need to remember is that
> mapping virtio-video CODEC on top of VAAPI, V4L2 Stateless, NVDEC or other 
> type
> of "stateless" CODEC is not trivial and can't be done without userspace. 
> Notably
> because we don't want to do bitstream parsing in the kernel on the main CPU as
> security would otherwise be very hard to guaranty. The other driver using same
> API as virtio-video do bitstream parsing on a dedicated co-processor (through
> firmware blobs though).
>
> Having bridges between virtio-video, qemu and some abstraction library like
> FFMPEG or GStreamer is certainly the best solution if you want to virtualize 
> any
> type of HW accelerated decoder or if you need to virtualized something
> proprietary (like NVDEC). Please shout if you need help.
>

Yeah, I meant we should map virtio-video commands to a set of
abstracted userspace APIs to avoid having many platform-dependent code
in QEMU.
This is the same with what we implemented in crosvm, a VMM on
ChromiumOS. Crosvm's video device translates virtio-video commands
into our own video decoding APIs [1, 2] which supports VAAPI, V4L2
stateful and V4L2 stateless. Unfortunately, since our library is
highly depending on Chrome, we cannot reuse this for QEMU.

So, I agree that using FFMPEG or GStreamer is a good idea. Probably,
APIs in my previous link weren't for this purpose.
Nicolas, do you know any good references for FFMPEG or GStreamer's
abstracted video decoding APIs? Then, I may be able to think about how
virtio-video protocols can be mapped to them.

[1] libvda's C interface:
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform2/+/refs/heads/master/arc/vm/libvda/libvda_decode.h
[2] libvda's Rust interface:
https://chromium.googles

Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Keiichi Watanabe
Hi Saket,

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:33 PM Saket Sinha  wrote:
>
> Hi Keiichi,
>
> > > > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
> > > > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> > >
> > > That was my understanding as well.
> >
> > Not really because the API which the vicodec provides is V4L2 stateful
> > decoder interface [1], which are also used by other video drivers on
> > Linux.
> > The difference between vicodec and actual device drivers is that
> > vicodec performs decoding in the kernel space without using special
> > video devices. In other words, vicodec is a software decoder in kernel
> > space which provides the same interface with actual video drivers.
> > Thus, if the QEMU implementation can forward virtio-video requests to
> > vicodec, it can forward them to the actual V4L2 video decoder devices
> > as well and VM gets access to a paravirtualized video device.
> >
> > The reason why we discussed vicodec in the previous thread was it'll
> > allow us to test the virtio-video driver without hardware requirement.
> >
> > [1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/media/uapi/v4l/dev-decoder.html
> >
>
> Thanks for clarification.
>
> Could  you provide your views if it would be possible to support also
> paravirtualized v4l-subdev devices which is enabled by media
> controller to expose ISP processing blocks to linux userspace.
> Ofcourse, we might need to change implementation and spec to support that
> Please refer (1) for details.

Again, the current virtio-video protocol and driver only support video
encoding and decoding. We had no detailed discussion about camera
supports.
Moreover, I personally disagree with supporting video capturing in
virtio-video protocol. Instead, I believe it's better to have a
separate protocol like "virtio-camera". Decoupling video codec APIs
and camera APIs should make protocols simpler and easier to maintain.
I suggested this idea in [1].

So, the answer to your question is:
No in virtio-video protocol. But, it's possible to start designing a
new "virtio-camera" protocol that supports camera features including
image processing.

[1] https://markmail.org/message/4q2g5oqniw62pmqd

>
> > >
> > > > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > > >
> > > > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
> > > > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> > >
> > > This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a plan 
> > > to
> > > support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the decision 
> > > was
> > > made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device type. 
> > > We
> > > still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a downstream
> > > patch though.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> > > > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> > > > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> > >
> > > We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general has 
> > > no
> > > requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact flexible 
> > > enough
> > > to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
> > > > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > > > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> >
> > Regarding Gstreamer, I intended this video decoding API [2]. If QEMU
> > can translate virtio-video requests to this API, we can easily support
> > multiple platforms.
> > I'm not sure how feasible it is though, as I have no experience of
> > using this API by myself...
> >
> > [2] 
> > https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/tutorials/playback/hardware-accelerated-video-decoding.html
> >
>
> Like pointed out above, Gstreamer is not the only framework present there.
> We have the newer libcamera framework [2] and then Openmax (used in
> Android Hal )
> Refer [3] for comparison.

It seems that we had miscommunication here. While I had mentioned
Gstreamer as a generic implementation to cover "video decoding" APIs
on various platforms, you were talking about "camera" APIs.
As I said above, virtio-video is NOT designed for cameras.

For abstraction of video decoding APIs, I don't know any better
library than Gstreamer. For cameras, libcamera sounds good, but I'm
not so familiar with this area...

Best regards,
Keiichi


>
> My intentions are to make the implementation more generic so that it
> can be used by different frameworks on different platforms.
>
> [1]: https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/osseu19/21/libcamera.pdf
> [2]: http://libcamera.org
> [3]: https://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/7/7e/OMX_Android_GST_Comparison.pdf
>
> Regards,
> Saket Sinha

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Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Saket Sinha
Hi Keiichi,

> > > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
> > > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> >
> > That was my understanding as well.
>
> Not really because the API which the vicodec provides is V4L2 stateful
> decoder interface [1], which are also used by other video drivers on
> Linux.
> The difference between vicodec and actual device drivers is that
> vicodec performs decoding in the kernel space without using special
> video devices. In other words, vicodec is a software decoder in kernel
> space which provides the same interface with actual video drivers.
> Thus, if the QEMU implementation can forward virtio-video requests to
> vicodec, it can forward them to the actual V4L2 video decoder devices
> as well and VM gets access to a paravirtualized video device.
>
> The reason why we discussed vicodec in the previous thread was it'll
> allow us to test the virtio-video driver without hardware requirement.
>
> [1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/media/uapi/v4l/dev-decoder.html
>

Thanks for clarification.

Could  you provide your views if it would be possible to support also
paravirtualized v4l-subdev devices which is enabled by media
controller to expose ISP processing blocks to linux userspace.
Ofcourse, we might need to change implementation and spec to support that
Please refer (1) for details.

> >
> > > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > >
> > > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
> > > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> >
> > This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a plan to
> > support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the decision was
> > made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device type. We
> > still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a downstream
> > patch though.
> >
> > >
> > > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> > > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> > > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> >
> > We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general has no
> > requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact flexible 
> > enough
> > to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
> >
> > >
> > > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
> > > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
>
> Regarding Gstreamer, I intended this video decoding API [2]. If QEMU
> can translate virtio-video requests to this API, we can easily support
> multiple platforms.
> I'm not sure how feasible it is though, as I have no experience of
> using this API by myself...
>
> [2] 
> https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/tutorials/playback/hardware-accelerated-video-decoding.html
>

Like pointed out above, Gstreamer is not the only framework present there.
We have the newer libcamera framework [2] and then Openmax (used in
Android Hal )
Refer [3] for comparison.

My intentions are to make the implementation more generic so that it
can be used by different frameworks on different platforms.

[1]: https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/osseu19/21/libcamera.pdf
[2]: http://libcamera.org
[3]: https://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/7/7e/OMX_Android_GST_Comparison.pdf

Regards,
Saket Sinha

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Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Keiichi Watanabe
Hi,

Thanks Saket for your feedback. As Dmitry mentioned, we're focusing on
video encoding and decoding, not camera. So, my reply was about how to
implement paravirtualized video codec devices.

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 8:25 PM Dmitry Sepp  wrote:
>
> Hi Saket,
>
> On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > Hi Keiichi,
> >
> > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
> > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
>
> That was my understanding as well.

Not really because the API which the vicodec provides is V4L2 stateful
decoder interface [1], which are also used by other video drivers on
Linux.
The difference between vicodec and actual device drivers is that
vicodec performs decoding in the kernel space without using special
video devices. In other words, vicodec is a software decoder in kernel
space which provides the same interface with actual video drivers.
Thus, if the QEMU implementation can forward virtio-video requests to
vicodec, it can forward them to the actual V4L2 video decoder devices
as well and VM gets access to a paravirtualized video device.

The reason why we discussed vicodec in the previous thread was it'll
allow us to test the virtio-video driver without hardware requirement.

[1] https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/media/uapi/v4l/dev-decoder.html

>
> > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> >
> > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
> > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
>
> This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a plan to
> support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the decision was
> made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device type. We
> still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a downstream
> patch though.
>
> >
> > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
>
> We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general has no
> requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact flexible enough
> to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
>
> >
> > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
> > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > paravirtualized HW camera devices .

Regarding Gstreamer, I intended this video decoding API [2]. If QEMU
can translate virtio-video requests to this API, we can easily support
multiple platforms.
I'm not sure how feasible it is though, as I have no experience of
using this API by myself...

[2] 
https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/tutorials/playback/hardware-accelerated-video-decoding.html

Best regards,
Keiichi

> >
>
> Regarding the cameras, unfortunately same as above.
>
> Best regards,
> Dmitry.
>
> > Regards,
> > Saket Sinha
> >
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:20 PM Keiichi Watanabe 
> wrote:
> > > Hi Dmitry,
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dmitry Sepp 
> wrote:
> > > > Hi Saket and all,
> > > >
> > > > As we are working with automotive platforms, unfortunately we don't plan
> > > > any Qemu reference implementation so far.
> > > >
> > > > Of course we are ready to support the community if any help is needed.
> > > > Is
> > > > there interest in support for the FWHT format only for testing purpose
> > > > or you want a full-featured implementation on the QEMU side?
> > >
> > > I guess we don't need to implement the codec algorithm in QEMU.
> > > Rather, QEMU forwards virtio-video requests to the host video device
> > > or a software library such as GStreamer or ffmpeg.
> > > So, what we need to implement in QEMU is a kind of API translation,
> > > which shouldn't care about actual video formats so much.
> > >
> > > Regarding the FWHT format discussed in the patch thread [1], in my
> > > understanding, Hans suggested to have QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > requests to the host's vicodec module [2].
> > > Then, we'll be able to test the virtio-video driver on QEMU on Linux
> > > even if the host Linux has no hardware video decoder.
> > > (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
> > >
> > > Let me add Hans and Linux media ML in CC.
> > >
> > > [1]  https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/760650/
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Keiichi
> > >
> > > > Please note that the spec is not finalized yet and a major update is now
> > > > discussed with upstream and the Chrome OS team, which is also interested
> > > > and deeply involved in the process. The update mostly implies some
> > > > rewording and reorganization of data structures, but for sure will
> > > > require a driver rework.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Dmitry.
> > > >
> > > > On Samstag, 9. Mai 202

Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:25:23PM +0200, Dmitry Sepp wrote:
> Hi Saket,
> 
> On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > Hi Keiichi,
> > 
> > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
> > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> 
> That was my understanding as well.
> 
> > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > 
> > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
> > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> 
> This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a plan to 
> support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the decision was 
> made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device type. We 
> still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a downstream 
> patch though.
> 
> > 
> > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> 
> We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general has no 
> requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact flexible 
> enough 
> to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.

Hmm I agree if it's just for pass-through of host devices that's a very
limited usecase. Not out of scope for virtio, but let's make
it clear it's pass-through in the device name, so that if
people want to create a virtualizeable interface down the road
they don't feel blocked.



> > 
> > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
> > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> > 
> 
> Regarding the cameras, unfortunately same as above.
> 
> Best regards,
> Dmitry.
> 
> > Regards,
> > Saket Sinha
> > 
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:20 PM Keiichi Watanabe  
> wrote:
> > > Hi Dmitry,
> > > 
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dmitry Sepp  
> wrote:
> > > > Hi Saket and all,
> > > > 
> > > > As we are working with automotive platforms, unfortunately we don't plan
> > > > any Qemu reference implementation so far.
> > > > 
> > > > Of course we are ready to support the community if any help is needed.
> > > > Is
> > > > there interest in support for the FWHT format only for testing purpose
> > > > or you want a full-featured implementation on the QEMU side?
> > > 
> > > I guess we don't need to implement the codec algorithm in QEMU.
> > > Rather, QEMU forwards virtio-video requests to the host video device
> > > or a software library such as GStreamer or ffmpeg.
> > > So, what we need to implement in QEMU is a kind of API translation,
> > > which shouldn't care about actual video formats so much.
> > > 
> > > Regarding the FWHT format discussed in the patch thread [1], in my
> > > understanding, Hans suggested to have QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > requests to the host's vicodec module [2].
> > > Then, we'll be able to test the virtio-video driver on QEMU on Linux
> > > even if the host Linux has no hardware video decoder.
> > > (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
> > > 
> > > Let me add Hans and Linux media ML in CC.
> > > 
> > > [1]  https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/760650/
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Keiichi
> > > 
> > > > Please note that the spec is not finalized yet and a major update is now
> > > > discussed with upstream and the Chrome OS team, which is also interested
> > > > and deeply involved in the process. The update mostly implies some
> > > > rewording and reorganization of data structures, but for sure will
> > > > require a driver rework.
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Dmitry.
> > > > 
> > > > On Samstag, 9. Mai 2020 16:11:43 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > As suggested on #qemu-devel IRC channel, I am including virtio-dev,
> > > > > Gerd and Michael to point in the right direction how to move forward
> > > > > with Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > > > posted in [1].
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Saket Sinha
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:09 AM Saket Sinha  
> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi ,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is to inquire about Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > > > > posted in [1].
> > > > > > I am currently not aware of any upstream effort for Qemu reference
> > > > > > implementation and would like to discuss how to proceed with the
> > > > > > same.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Saket Sinha
> > > > 
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> > 

Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Michael S. Tsirkin
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 01:25:23PM +0200, Dmitry Sepp wrote:
> Hi Saket,
> 
> On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > Hi Keiichi,
> > 
> > I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> > requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
> > of the virtio-video device only for testing,
> 
> That was my understanding as well.
> 
> > which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> > 
> > 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
> > video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.
> 
> This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a plan to 
> support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the decision was 
> made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device type. We 
> still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a downstream 
> patch though.

You want to spec out what's in the field, spec-wise internal up/down
stream distinctions are not important.

> > 
> > 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> > MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> > with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.
> 
> We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general has no 
> requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact flexible 
> enough 
> to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.
> 
> > 
> > Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
> > can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> > paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> > 
> 
> Regarding the cameras, unfortunately same as above.
> 
> Best regards,
> Dmitry.
> 
> > Regards,
> > Saket Sinha
> > 
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:20 PM Keiichi Watanabe  
> wrote:
> > > Hi Dmitry,
> > > 
> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dmitry Sepp  
> wrote:
> > > > Hi Saket and all,
> > > > 
> > > > As we are working with automotive platforms, unfortunately we don't plan
> > > > any Qemu reference implementation so far.
> > > > 
> > > > Of course we are ready to support the community if any help is needed.
> > > > Is
> > > > there interest in support for the FWHT format only for testing purpose
> > > > or you want a full-featured implementation on the QEMU side?
> > > 
> > > I guess we don't need to implement the codec algorithm in QEMU.
> > > Rather, QEMU forwards virtio-video requests to the host video device
> > > or a software library such as GStreamer or ffmpeg.
> > > So, what we need to implement in QEMU is a kind of API translation,
> > > which shouldn't care about actual video formats so much.
> > > 
> > > Regarding the FWHT format discussed in the patch thread [1], in my
> > > understanding, Hans suggested to have QEMU implementation forwarding
> > > requests to the host's vicodec module [2].
> > > Then, we'll be able to test the virtio-video driver on QEMU on Linux
> > > even if the host Linux has no hardware video decoder.
> > > (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
> > > 
> > > Let me add Hans and Linux media ML in CC.
> > > 
> > > [1]  https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/760650/
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Keiichi
> > > 
> > > > Please note that the spec is not finalized yet and a major update is now
> > > > discussed with upstream and the Chrome OS team, which is also interested
> > > > and deeply involved in the process. The update mostly implies some
> > > > rewording and reorganization of data structures, but for sure will
> > > > require a driver rework.
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Dmitry.
> > > > 
> > > > On Samstag, 9. Mai 2020 16:11:43 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > As suggested on #qemu-devel IRC channel, I am including virtio-dev,
> > > > > Gerd and Michael to point in the right direction how to move forward
> > > > > with Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > > > posted in [1].
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Saket Sinha
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:09 AM Saket Sinha  
> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi ,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is to inquire about Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > > > > posted in [1].
> > > > > > I am currently not aware of any upstream effort for Qemu reference
> > > > > > implementation and would like to discuss how to proceed with the
> > > > > > same.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Saket Sinha
> > > > 
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Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Dmitry Sepp
Hi Saket,

On Montag, 11. Mai 2020 13:05:53 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> Hi Keiichi,
> 
> I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
> requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
> of the virtio-video device only for testing,

That was my understanding as well.

> which instead can be used with multiple use cases such as -
> 
> 1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
> video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.

This use-case is out of the scope of virtio-video. Initially I had a plan to 
support capture-only streams like camera as well, but later the decision was 
made upstream that camera should be implemented as separate device type. We 
still plan to implement a simple frame capture capability as a downstream 
patch though.

> 
> 2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
> MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
> with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.

We do support this in our device implementation. But spec in general has no 
requirements or instructions regarding this. And it is in fact flexible enough 
to provide abstraction on top of several HW devices.

> 
> Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
> can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
> paravirtualized HW camera devices .
> 

Regarding the cameras, unfortunately same as above.

Best regards,
Dmitry.

> Regards,
> Saket Sinha
> 
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:20 PM Keiichi Watanabe  
wrote:
> > Hi Dmitry,
> > 
> > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dmitry Sepp  
wrote:
> > > Hi Saket and all,
> > > 
> > > As we are working with automotive platforms, unfortunately we don't plan
> > > any Qemu reference implementation so far.
> > > 
> > > Of course we are ready to support the community if any help is needed.
> > > Is
> > > there interest in support for the FWHT format only for testing purpose
> > > or you want a full-featured implementation on the QEMU side?
> > 
> > I guess we don't need to implement the codec algorithm in QEMU.
> > Rather, QEMU forwards virtio-video requests to the host video device
> > or a software library such as GStreamer or ffmpeg.
> > So, what we need to implement in QEMU is a kind of API translation,
> > which shouldn't care about actual video formats so much.
> > 
> > Regarding the FWHT format discussed in the patch thread [1], in my
> > understanding, Hans suggested to have QEMU implementation forwarding
> > requests to the host's vicodec module [2].
> > Then, we'll be able to test the virtio-video driver on QEMU on Linux
> > even if the host Linux has no hardware video decoder.
> > (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
> > 
> > Let me add Hans and Linux media ML in CC.
> > 
> > [1]  https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/760650/
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Keiichi
> > 
> > > Please note that the spec is not finalized yet and a major update is now
> > > discussed with upstream and the Chrome OS team, which is also interested
> > > and deeply involved in the process. The update mostly implies some
> > > rewording and reorganization of data structures, but for sure will
> > > require a driver rework.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dmitry.
> > > 
> > > On Samstag, 9. Mai 2020 16:11:43 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > As suggested on #qemu-devel IRC channel, I am including virtio-dev,
> > > > Gerd and Michael to point in the right direction how to move forward
> > > > with Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > > posted in [1].
> > > > 
> > > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Saket Sinha
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:09 AM Saket Sinha  
wrote:
> > > > > Hi ,
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is to inquire about Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > > > posted in [1].
> > > > > I am currently not aware of any upstream effort for Qemu reference
> > > > > implementation and would like to discuss how to proceed with the
> > > > > same.
> > > > > 
> > > > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Saket Sinha
> > > 
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Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Saket Sinha
Hi Keiichi,

I do not support the approach of  QEMU implementation forwarding
requests to the host's vicodec module since  this can limit the scope
of the virtio-video device only for testing, which instead can be used
with multiple use cases such as -

1. VM gets access to paravirtualized  camera devices which shares the
video frames input through actual HW camera attached to Host.

2. If Host has multiple video devices (especially in ARM SOCs over
MIPI interfaces or USB), different VM can be started or hotplugged
with selective video streams from actual HW video devices.

Also instead of using libraries like Gstreamer in Host userspace, they
can also be used inside the VM userspace after getting access to
paravirtualized HW camera devices .

Regards,
Saket Sinha

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 12:20 PM Keiichi Watanabe  wrote:
>
> Hi Dmitry,
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dmitry Sepp  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Saket and all,
> >
> > As we are working with automotive platforms, unfortunately we don't plan any
> > Qemu reference implementation so far.
> >
> > Of course we are ready to support the community if any help is needed. Is
> > there interest in support for the FWHT format only for testing purpose or 
> > you
> > want a full-featured implementation on the QEMU side?
>
> I guess we don't need to implement the codec algorithm in QEMU.
> Rather, QEMU forwards virtio-video requests to the host video device
> or a software library such as GStreamer or ffmpeg.
> So, what we need to implement in QEMU is a kind of API translation,
> which shouldn't care about actual video formats so much.
>
> Regarding the FWHT format discussed in the patch thread [1], in my
> understanding, Hans suggested to have QEMU implementation forwarding
> requests to the host's vicodec module [2].
> Then, we'll be able to test the virtio-video driver on QEMU on Linux
> even if the host Linux has no hardware video decoder.
> (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
>
> Let me add Hans and Linux media ML in CC.
>
> [1]  https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/760650/
>
> Best regards,
> Keiichi
>
> >
> > Please note that the spec is not finalized yet and a major update is now
> > discussed with upstream and the Chrome OS team, which is also interested and
> > deeply involved in the process. The update mostly implies some rewording and
> > reorganization of data structures, but for sure will require a driver 
> > rework.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dmitry.
> >
> > On Samstag, 9. Mai 2020 16:11:43 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > As suggested on #qemu-devel IRC channel, I am including virtio-dev, Gerd 
> > > and
> > > Michael to point in the right direction how to move forward with Qemu
> > > support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > posted in [1].
> > >
> > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Saket Sinha
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:09 AM Saket Sinha  
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi ,
> > > >
> > > > This is to inquire about Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > > posted in [1].
> > > > I am currently not aware of any upstream effort for Qemu reference
> > > > implementation and would like to discuss how to proceed with the same.
> > > >
> > > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Saket Sinha
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [virtio-dev] Re: Fwd: Qemu Support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver

2020-05-11 Thread Keiichi Watanabe
Hi Dmitry,

On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:40 PM Dmitry Sepp  wrote:
>
> Hi Saket and all,
>
> As we are working with automotive platforms, unfortunately we don't plan any
> Qemu reference implementation so far.
>
> Of course we are ready to support the community if any help is needed. Is
> there interest in support for the FWHT format only for testing purpose or you
> want a full-featured implementation on the QEMU side?

I guess we don't need to implement the codec algorithm in QEMU.
Rather, QEMU forwards virtio-video requests to the host video device
or a software library such as GStreamer or ffmpeg.
So, what we need to implement in QEMU is a kind of API translation,
which shouldn't care about actual video formats so much.

Regarding the FWHT format discussed in the patch thread [1], in my
understanding, Hans suggested to have QEMU implementation forwarding
requests to the host's vicodec module [2].
Then, we'll be able to test the virtio-video driver on QEMU on Linux
even if the host Linux has no hardware video decoder.
(Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Let me add Hans and Linux media ML in CC.

[1]  https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
[2] https://lwn.net/Articles/760650/

Best regards,
Keiichi

>
> Please note that the spec is not finalized yet and a major update is now
> discussed with upstream and the Chrome OS team, which is also interested and
> deeply involved in the process. The update mostly implies some rewording and
> reorganization of data structures, but for sure will require a driver rework.
>
> Best regards,
> Dmitry.
>
> On Samstag, 9. Mai 2020 16:11:43 CEST Saket Sinha wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As suggested on #qemu-devel IRC channel, I am including virtio-dev, Gerd and
> > Michael to point in the right direction how to move forward with Qemu
> > support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > posted in [1].
> >
> > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> >
> > Regards,
> > Saket Sinha
> >
> > On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 1:09 AM Saket Sinha  wrote:
> > > Hi ,
> > >
> > > This is to inquire about Qemu support for Virtio Video V4L2 driver
> > > posted in [1].
> > > I am currently not aware of any upstream effort for Qemu reference
> > > implementation and would like to discuss how to proceed with the same.
> > >
> > > [1]: https://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/61717/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Saket Sinha
>
>
>
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