RE: Wish: Version Query :VSMail mx3

2003-03-18 Thread trash1
I wouldn't use them :-)

I personally don't see this as any more risk than my browser telling the web
host what I am using, or the server telling me what software it is running.
We already get very rudimentary info from the RFB version.

Right now I audit using a platform specific tool. Having an extension to vnc
that would report its' version and flavor would allow me to monitor/audit
multiple platforms. Obviously this would only work if the vnc server was
updated with this info on al the platforms I need. Adding in the support
isn't a big deal. I can compile my own. We need a standard.

I feel this is a very valid request, even if it will never happen.

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From: William Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Wish: Version Query :VSMail mx3

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> 
> It would be nice to be able to audit my network to see if 
> there were any
> clients vulnerable to said exploit. It works both ways.
> 
> Security through obscurity is folly. If the port is open then 
> it is open.
> Reporting the version is after the fact.

I agree, security through obscurity is not security.  On the other hand,
reporting the version gives an attacker just another piece of information
that is not needed by an authorized client. 

Auditing the network can be done a number of different ways now that don't
involve even connecting to the VNC server.  In fact if it is a large enough
network that I would want auditing for VNC, I would want auditing for a
number of different programs.  And again, unless everyone adds this some
versions won't give you this information, so how do you audit those?

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William Hooper
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RE: Wish: Version Query :VSMail mx3

2003-03-18 Thread Steve Bostedor
That is what I was referring to.  Yea, it would have to be a new standard implemented 
by every flavor.  That would actually be the point.  It would be nice to query it to 
tell if it is running esVNC, realVNC, tightVNC, etc, along with the version number.  
Example:

TCP CONNECT Port 5800
Command: VERSION
Reply: Real VNC 3.3.6-4


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-Original Message-
From: Mike Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Wish: Version Query :VSMail mx3


On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Steve Bostedor wrote:
>
> > Ya know, it'd be cool if there was a way to connect to the VNC port on
> > a computer, issue a command, and get back the flavor and version that
> > is running on that computer.  If anybody feels like adding new
> > features to VNC, this would be awesome!
>
> I think he was referring to the VNC flavor and version.


That may be, but then wouldn't every author of a VNC product have to agree
to add the same functionality to their product?

Mike
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RE: Wish: Version Query :VSMail mx3

2003-03-18 Thread Mike Miller
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Steve Bostedor wrote:
>
> > Ya know, it'd be cool if there was a way to connect to the VNC port on
> > a computer, issue a command, and get back the flavor and version that
> > is running on that computer.  If anybody feels like adding new
> > features to VNC, this would be awesome!
>
> I think he was referring to the VNC flavor and version.


That may be, but then wouldn't every author of a VNC product have to agree
to add the same functionality to their product?

Mike
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RE: Wish: Version Query :VSMail mx3

2003-03-18 Thread trash1
I think he was referring to the VNC flavor and version. 


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-Original Message-
From: Mike Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:18 AM
To: VNC List
Subject: Re: Wish: Version Query :VSMail mx3

On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Steve Bostedor wrote:

> Ya know, it'd be cool if there was a way to connect to the VNC port on a
> computer, issue a command, and get back the flavor and version that is
> running on that computer.  If anybody feels like adding new features to
> VNC, this would be awesome!


If the machine is running {Win,X}VNC, you can connect using vncviewer then
either go to My Computer, Help, About (if it's Windows), or, if it's Unix,
open a terminal window and type "uname -a".

I'll bet you knew all these things.  Is the problem that VNC runs on other
OSes too and you want to be able to automatically get the info for any OS
through some special VNC keystrokes or a menu?

Mike
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