Re: [volt-nuts] HP-419 and Fluke 845 Modifications

2014-08-09 Thread Todd Micallef
Randy,

I am looking forward to your test results. Does your 845 have the separate
board for the chopper amp as mentioned in the change/errata sheet dated
7/93? I have not seen any further documents from online sources that
references this change. I have two AR models and it appears support for it
was dropped long before 1993. It would be interesting to see how many of
the original parts were removed and how this new board was mounted inside
the AB chassis.


Todd


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Randy Evans randyevans2...@gmail.com
wrote:

 For those interested, I have largely finished the design of the HP-419A
 modifications to replace the current active circuits with a more modern
 chopper amp; e.g., LTC2054.  The LTSpice analysis shows the circuit draws
 0.3 mA at full scale meter readings using a single 6V battery.  I think I
 will use a 6V 225mAH NiCad rechargeable battery (because I have some) that
 should last many many hours on one charge.  I am still working out the
 board layout and unit mods but the circuit is extremely simple and will use
 all the existing range and mode switching circuits.  The circuit should
 also work for the Fluke 845 also.  Keep tuned.

 Randy


 On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote:

  From: Randy Evans randyevans2...@gmail.com
 
 
  I am looking at modifying my (defective) HP419A and Fluke 845A Null
  meters
  using the LTC2054 zero drift op amp.  I am planning on using a single
  4.2 V
  Lithium Ion battery to power them (no AC input required and may not
  include, TBD).  The LTC2054 has a very low bias current of typically
  1pA at
  room temp and the bias plots vs. temp  show no appreciable increase
  until
  about 50C.  Conceptually, it looks pretty straight forward and, based
  on my
  Fluke 887A modifications, likely will be very stable.
 
  Since this is a very astute group, does anyone have any comments on
  the
  feasibility of this modification before I get too involved?
 
  Regards,
 
  Randy Evans
 
 
 
  Hi Randy.  Good to hear from you again.
  I have modified two 883A models and one 887A model DMMs using your
  details, with great results.  I have a model 845A null meter that is
  working fine right now, but who knows how long that will last.  I would
  surely welcome some research on modifying it with a zero-drift opamp.
  One
  concern that I would have with that mod would be that some mechanism
 would
  need to be added to retain the isolation of the recorder output and guard
  integrity that's afforded by the photo-modulator/demodulator circuit.
  Perhaps some kind of optically-isolated interface might be in order
 
  Some Spice runs on the original circuit would be interesting to see.
 
  Dave M
 
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Re: [volt-nuts] HP-419 and Fluke 845 Modifications

2014-08-09 Thread Randy Evans
Todd,

My 845 has the optical chopper circuit.  It quasi-works but the most
sensitive ranges are very noisy so I will replace the amplifier circuits
with a new chopper stabilized circuit after I finish the 419 modifications.

Randy


On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Todd Micallef tmical...@gmail.com wrote:

 Randy,

 I am looking forward to your test results. Does your 845 have the separate
 board for the chopper amp as mentioned in the change/errata sheet dated
 7/93? I have not seen any further documents from online sources that
 references this change. I have two AR models and it appears support for it
 was dropped long before 1993. It would be interesting to see how many of
 the original parts were removed and how this new board was mounted inside
 the AB chassis.


 Todd


 On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Randy Evans randyevans2...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  For those interested, I have largely finished the design of the HP-419A
  modifications to replace the current active circuits with a more modern
  chopper amp; e.g., LTC2054.  The LTSpice analysis shows the circuit draws
  0.3 mA at full scale meter readings using a single 6V battery.  I think I
  will use a 6V 225mAH NiCad rechargeable battery (because I have some)
 that
  should last many many hours on one charge.  I am still working out the
  board layout and unit mods but the circuit is extremely simple and will
 use
  all the existing range and mode switching circuits.  The circuit should
  also work for the Fluke 845 also.  Keep tuned.
 
  Randy
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote:
 
   From: Randy Evans randyevans2...@gmail.com
  
  
   I am looking at modifying my (defective) HP419A and Fluke 845A Null
   meters
   using the LTC2054 zero drift op amp.  I am planning on using a single
   4.2 V
   Lithium Ion battery to power them (no AC input required and may not
   include, TBD).  The LTC2054 has a very low bias current of typically
   1pA at
   room temp and the bias plots vs. temp  show no appreciable increase
   until
   about 50C.  Conceptually, it looks pretty straight forward and, based
   on my
   Fluke 887A modifications, likely will be very stable.
  
   Since this is a very astute group, does anyone have any comments on
   the
   feasibility of this modification before I get too involved?
  
   Regards,
  
   Randy Evans
  
  
  
   Hi Randy.  Good to hear from you again.
   I have modified two 883A models and one 887A model DMMs using your
   details, with great results.  I have a model 845A null meter that is
   working fine right now, but who knows how long that will last.  I would
   surely welcome some research on modifying it with a zero-drift opamp.
   One
   concern that I would have with that mod would be that some mechanism
  would
   need to be added to retain the isolation of the recorder output and
 guard
   integrity that's afforded by the photo-modulator/demodulator circuit.
   Perhaps some kind of optically-isolated interface might be in order
  
   Some Spice runs on the original circuit would be interesting to see.
  
   Dave M
  
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