Re: [volt-nuts] HP-419 and Fluke 845 Modifications

2014-12-02 Thread Dallas Smith

Randy,

I'm glad to see that you completed your design, This could be the 
ultimate permanent solution for these meters. My LED mod is still 
working very well, but I think the zero of your design will solve 
the offset drift problem. My led mod has a drift about ±100nv's over a 
day or so, not perfect but better than the original specs. I changed the 
value of C116 to 22uf tantalum, the response was a little to slow for 
overloads. Your design may eliminate the need for the zero control 
entirely.


Do the light pipes contribute to the high isolation resistance that the 
Fluke 845 has? Will your modifications improve this spec? I may consider 
your mod as a improved version, after your testing.


Since the mod, I was able to complete the self calibration of my Fluke 
720 from beginning to end without the need to re-adjust the null meters 
zero. This was the driving source for my mod,


Dallas



Randy Evans wrote:

I finished the H-419A/Fluke 845A design modifications but I am still
trying to decide on the preferred power supply design.  The basic
meter circuit uses the LTC2054 and LTC6255 with two CR123 Li-Ion 3 V
batteries.  The
basic meter circuit draws less than 0.2 mA and with 1500 mAH CR123A
batteries should be able to go several thousand hours on a set of
batteries.   For the meter circuit, it is always battery powered and
doesn't have to be plugged into the mains.

I also added a TI  AMC1100 isolation amplifier for recording output
but it needs a 3.3 VDC isolated supply and a 5VDC output supply.  The
current design  uses separate isolation power supplies using  LT8300
ICs that work off the mains transformer so there would be no worry
about failing batteries.  Therefore, to use the recorder, the unit
would have to be plugged in. I am trying to decide if it would be
simpler to use batteries for the isolation circuit as well. If I use
batteries, do I use rechargeables or non-rechargeable batteries such
as the CR123s?  The
circuit would need one set for the input isolated circuit side and
another set for the recorder output side and the batteries would not
last as long
as the meter circuit since the isolation circuits draw about 12
milliamps. They would still work about one hundred hours most likely
and would not
draw any current unless the isolation circuit is turned on (with a
separate toggle switch).  My preference is to stay with the LT8300
power supplies
but I thought I would query the group.

Any thoughts on what would be your preferences?

Thanks,


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Re: [volt-nuts] HP-419 and Fluke 845 Modifications

2014-12-02 Thread Randy Evans
The Fluke 845A is a very easy modification (in theory) since all that is
needed is a zero drift amp with a follow-up amp (need more gain to close
the loop with at least 40 dB margin).  The LTC2054 and LTC6255 with two
voltage regulators to drop the +/-15V to +/- 2.5V for the op amps should be
all that is needed.  Might want two 1.25V regulators for the zero offset to
minimize drift similar to what Dalla Smith did in his mod.  I wanted to use
the LTC2054 since it has 1 pA bias current around room temp.  Probably need
a PCB since IC sockets are a no-no to minimize thermals.  The PCB would be
very simple but expensive since the cost at ExpressPCB is $66 for three
(with tax and shipping) the last time I ordered.  I could probably fit at
least 6 circuits total on the three PCBs if anyone else is interested in
buying some of the PCBs for their mods.

Randy

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Dallas Smith dosm...@outlook.com wrote:

 Randy,

 I'm glad to see that you completed your design, This could be the ultimate
 permanent solution for these meters. My LED mod is still working very well,
 but I think the zero of your design will solve the offset drift
 problem. My led mod has a drift about ±100nv's over a day or so, not
 perfect but better than the original specs. I changed the value of C116 to
 22uf tantalum, the response was a little to slow for overloads. Your design
 may eliminate the need for the zero control entirely.

 Do the light pipes contribute to the high isolation resistance that the
 Fluke 845 has? Will your modifications improve this spec? I may consider
 your mod as a improved version, after your testing.

 Since the mod, I was able to complete the self calibration of my Fluke 720
 from beginning to end without the need to re-adjust the null meters zero.
 This was the driving source for my mod,

 Dallas


  Randy Evans wrote:

 I finished the H-419A/Fluke 845A design modifications but I am still
 trying to decide on the preferred power supply design.  The basic
 meter circuit uses the LTC2054 and LTC6255 with two CR123 Li-Ion 3 V
 batteries.  The
 basic meter circuit draws less than 0.2 mA and with 1500 mAH CR123A
 batteries should be able to go several thousand hours on a set of
 batteries.   For the meter circuit, it is always battery powered and
 doesn't have to be plugged into the mains.

 I also added a TI  AMC1100 isolation amplifier for recording output
 but it needs a 3.3 VDC isolated supply and a 5VDC output supply.  The
 current design  uses separate isolation power supplies using  LT8300
 ICs that work off the mains transformer so there would be no worry
 about failing batteries.  Therefore, to use the recorder, the unit
 would have to be plugged in. I am trying to decide if it would be
 simpler to use batteries for the isolation circuit as well. If I use
 batteries, do I use rechargeables or non-rechargeable batteries such
 as the CR123s?  The
 circuit would need one set for the input isolated circuit side and
 another set for the recorder output side and the batteries would not
 last as long
 as the meter circuit since the isolation circuits draw about 12
 milliamps. They would still work about one hundred hours most likely
 and would not
 draw any current unless the isolation circuit is turned on (with a
 separate toggle switch).  My preference is to stay with the LT8300
 power supplies
 but I thought I would query the group.

 Any thoughts on what would be your preferences?

 Thanks,


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[volt-nuts] HP-419 and Fluke 845 Modifications

2014-12-02 Thread Mark Sims
OSHPARK.COM is in the US and will do three boards for $5/sq inch... with no 
setup or shipping charges.
For larger boards or quantities  dirtypcbs.com and gojgo.com make nice boards 
for dirt cheap (particularly for boards under 5x5 or 10x10 cm).  They can  be 
1/10th the cost of OSHPARK.   
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