Re: [volt-nuts] *WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign

2015-05-14 Thread ben
Overall,  I agree that a voltmeter such as the 3458A may not be cost 
effective any more to redesign all functions from the ground up. 

Consider that Fluke has re-released the Datron 1281 as its 8508 voltmeter. 
A quick view of the specs shows that Fluke has made marginal improvements 
to the DC volt side, good improvements to the DC current and Resistance 
side, but largely left the AC volt and AC current performance alone. Never 
mind the 8508A 20A current range, which seems to me like a bolted on 
afterthought.

Fluke has added functionality for PRT measurements, and replaced the vacuum 
display with an LCD. Does anyone want to check if Fluke kept the 68000 
processor and its architecture ? 

regards,
ben


 Original Message 
 From: Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
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redesign
 
 
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 , John Phillips writes:
 
 I would think that a lot of the patents would be running out soon as if
 that would make any difference.
 
 I wrote copyright, not patent.
 
 Thanks to Disney copyright never runs out as long as a lawyer cares.
 
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Re: [volt-nuts] *WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign

2015-05-14 Thread Alan Ambrose
Hi,


 Fluke has ... replaced the vacuum display with an LCD.



I'm starting to worry about the great US test gear manufacturers :)



Alan
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Re: [volt-nuts] *WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign

2015-05-14 Thread Tom Knox
I think most of the top companies were founded by scientists and engineers and 
because of their roots in the scientific community they were very customer 
driven, but it seems recently most of the test and measurement companies have 
become stock-holder driven as the management with a background in science 
retire. In addition many of these large companies buy up the small start-ups 
from the Scientist and engineers that created them as an alternative to in 
house RD. Once purchased they are quickly transisioned to the stock-holder 
driven model. Sadly in some cases I think the philosophy is to buy all the 
competitors and control the market to the point that they don't need to provide 
the same level of products, support, and service we enjoyed in the past since 
there are few alternatives.  In this paradigm shift I think Keysight is better 
then most. I keep hoping they design a new meter to replace the 3458A or at 
least redesign the digital portion with a more freindly user interface,  per
 haps a menu driven color touch screen and the ability to stored and display 
data graphically. Who knows they may have something in the works.

Thomas Knox



 From: alan.ambr...@anagram.net
 To: volt-nuts@febo.com
 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 16:36:38 +
 Subject: Re: [volt-nuts] *WAY* too expensive for even Keysight to redesign
 
 Hi,
 
 
  Fluke has ... replaced the vacuum display with an LCD.
 
 
 
 I'm starting to worry about the great US test gear manufacturers :)
 
 
 
 Alan
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