Re: [volt-nuts] HP-3458A questions
Frank, Thanks for the data. The 100K seems acceptable since I have a Fluke 732A to recalibrate the 3458A with after the change and the 3458A is not in a rack. Randy On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Frank Stellmach frank.stellm...@freenet.de wrote: Hi Randy, in advance, this change only improves the stability of the instrument, when the 3458A is powered. The LTZ1000 will not age (nearly), when the instrument is switched off. Therefore, it makes sense mainly, if your instrument is running for an extended period of time. (Reference: Spreadbury: Ultra Zener..) If you change the oven temperature, you will loose the 10V calibration, as the LTZ1000A will change its reference voltage. Although my instrument is strictly switched off, when not doing measurements, I reduced the oven temp. by connecting a 100k precision wirewound (3ppm/K) in parallel to the 15k BMF resistor. That gives 13k in total, yielding about 65°C like in the LT datasheet. An alternative placement is already foreseen on the PCB; in the CLIP, it's component designator is X411. I'll try to link in a photo of my change. lymex on the bbs35.hot forum obviously was more agressive, and paralled 75k of Vitrohm Thin Film, giving 12.5k for about 55°C. I would recommend my solution above the one of lymex, although his one gives theoretically more stability. Also, the lower stability of TF reistors may affect the stability (T, t) of the 15k BMF. With 100k/65°C, the oven runs about 30°C lower. Therefore, the ambient temperature has to be limited to max. 35°C, the fan has ALWAYS to be kept clean, giving a maximum temperature rise of 15°C, and the instrument may not be put in a rack (which would give additional 10..20°C temperature rise). Under these conditions, (35°C ambient + 15°C 3458A inner heating + 10°C self heating of LTZ1000A + 5°C regulation margin), the oven will always be stable. These 75k / 55°C would be possible, only if you limit the ambient temperature further, to = 25°C, and precisely monitor the 3458A inner temperature (TEMP?). Although my instrument is kept at 20..23°C throughout the year, i wouldn't feel comfortable with 55°C. The only possibility would be the exchange of the reference to the non-A version, as the self heating effect may vanish! Frank ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[volt-nuts] HP-3458A questions
Hi Randy, in advance, this change only improves the stability of the instrument, when the 3458A is powered. The LTZ1000 will not age (nearly), when the instrument is switched off. Therefore, it makes sense mainly, if your instrument is running for an extended period of time. (Reference: Spreadbury: Ultra Zener..) If you change the oven temperature, you will loose the 10V calibration, as the LTZ1000A will change its reference voltage. Although my instrument is strictly switched off, when not doing measurements, I reduced the oven temp. by connecting a 100k precision wirewound (3ppm/K) in parallel to the 15k BMF resistor. That gives 13k in total, yielding about 65°C like in the LT datasheet. An alternative placement is already foreseen on the PCB; in the CLIP, it's component designator is X411. I'll try to link in a photo of my change. lymex on the bbs35.hot forum obviously was more agressive, and paralled 75k of Vitrohm Thin Film, giving 12.5k for about 55°C. I would recommend my solution above the one of lymex, although his one gives theoretically more stability. Also, the lower stability of TF reistors may affect the stability (T, t) of the 15k BMF. With 100k/65°C, the oven runs about 30°C lower. Therefore, the ambient temperature has to be limited to max. 35°C, the fan has ALWAYS to be kept clean, giving a maximum temperature rise of 15°C, and the instrument may not be put in a rack (which would give additional 10..20°C temperature rise). Under these conditions, (35°C ambient + 15°C 3458A inner heating + 10°C self heating of LTZ1000A + 5°C regulation margin), the oven will always be stable. These 75k / 55°C would be possible, only if you limit the ambient temperature further, to = 25°C, and precisely monitor the 3458A inner temperature (TEMP?). Although my instrument is kept at 20..23°C throughout the year, i wouldn't feel comfortable with 55°C. The only possibility would be the exchange of the reference to the non-A version, as the self heating effect may vanish! Frank ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [volt-nuts] HP-3458A questions
Frank, Thanks for the picture of your board. I have been interested in the 'plastic cap' on the LTZ1000A and you provided me with information about this in the past. Do you have a picture of the bottom of the board? I would love to see how the bottom half of the 'cap' looks. Thanks. Joe -Original Message- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Frank Stellmach Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:50 PM To: volt-nuts@febo.com Subject: [volt-nuts] HP-3458A questions Hi Randy, in advance, this change only improves the stability of the instrument, when the 3458A is powered. The LTZ1000 will not age (nearly), when the instrument is switched off. Therefore, it makes sense mainly, if your instrument is running for an extended period of time. (Reference: Spreadbury: Ultra Zener..) If you change the oven temperature, you will loose the 10V calibration, as the LTZ1000A will change its reference voltage. Although my instrument is strictly switched off, when not doing measurements, I reduced the oven temp. by connecting a 100k precision wirewound (3ppm/K) in parallel to the 15k BMF resistor. That gives 13k in total, yielding about 65°C like in the LT datasheet. An alternative placement is already foreseen on the PCB; in the CLIP, it's component designator is X411. I'll try to link in a photo of my change. lymex on the bbs35.hot forum obviously was more agressive, and paralled 75k of Vitrohm Thin Film, giving 12.5k for about 55°C. I would recommend my solution above the one of lymex, although his one gives theoretically more stability. Also, the lower stability of TF reistors may affect the stability (T, t) of the 15k BMF. With 100k/65°C, the oven runs about 30°C lower. Therefore, the ambient temperature has to be limited to max. 35°C, the fan has ALWAYS to be kept clean, giving a maximum temperature rise of 15°C, and the instrument may not be put in a rack (which would give additional 10..20°C temperature rise). Under these conditions, (35°C ambient + 15°C 3458A inner heating + 10°C self heating of LTZ1000A + 5°C regulation margin), the oven will always be stable. These 75k / 55°C would be possible, only if you limit the ambient temperature further, to = 25°C, and precisely monitor the 3458A inner temperature (TEMP?). Although my instrument is kept at 20..23°C throughout the year, i wouldn't feel comfortable with 55°C. The only possibility would be the exchange of the reference to the non-A version, as the self heating effect may vanish! Frank ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [volt-nuts] HP-3458A questions
Hello, A bottom picture of the board is currently in a auction (so no need to deinstall the board from a life system): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agilent-03458-66509-DCV-Reference-PCA-for-3458-PART-/371306381959?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item567395c287 With best regards Andreas Am 03.06.2015 um 01:00 schrieb J. L. Trantham: Frank, Thanks for the picture of your board. I have been interested in the 'plastic cap' on the LTZ1000A and you provided me with information about this in the past. Do you have a picture of the bottom of the board? I would love to see how the bottom half of the 'cap' looks. Thanks. Joe -Original Message- From: volt-nuts [mailto:volt-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Frank Stellmach Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 4:50 PM To: volt-nuts@febo.com Subject: [volt-nuts] HP-3458A questions Hi Randy, in advance, this change only improves the stability of the instrument, when the 3458A is powered. The LTZ1000 will not age (nearly), when the instrument is switched off. Therefore, it makes sense mainly, if your instrument is running for an extended period of time. (Reference: Spreadbury: Ultra Zener..) If you change the oven temperature, you will loose the 10V calibration, as the LTZ1000A will change its reference voltage. Although my instrument is strictly switched off, when not doing measurements, I reduced the oven temp. by connecting a 100k precision wirewound (3ppm/K) in parallel to the 15k BMF resistor. That gives 13k in total, yielding about 65°C like in the LT datasheet. An alternative placement is already foreseen on the PCB; in the CLIP, it's component designator is X411. I'll try to link in a photo of my change. lymex on the bbs35.hot forum obviously was more agressive, and paralled 75k of Vitrohm Thin Film, giving 12.5k for about 55°C. I would recommend my solution above the one of lymex, although his one gives theoretically more stability. Also, the lower stability of TF reistors may affect the stability (T, t) of the 15k BMF. With 100k/65°C, the oven runs about 30°C lower. Therefore, the ambient temperature has to be limited to max. 35°C, the fan has ALWAYS to be kept clean, giving a maximum temperature rise of 15°C, and the instrument may not be put in a rack (which would give additional 10..20°C temperature rise). Under these conditions, (35°C ambient + 15°C 3458A inner heating + 10°C self heating of LTZ1000A + 5°C regulation margin), the oven will always be stable. These 75k / 55°C would be possible, only if you limit the ambient temperature further, to = 25°C, and precisely monitor the 3458A inner temperature (TEMP?). Although my instrument is kept at 20..23°C throughout the year, i wouldn't feel comfortable with 55°C. The only possibility would be the exchange of the reference to the non-A version, as the self heating effect may vanish! Frank ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[volt-nuts] HP-3458A questions
Does anyone have explicit instructions on how to lower the temperature of the LTZ1000 for better stability; e.g., what resistors to change and to what value? Similarly, step-by-step instructions on how to back up the cal ram in the HP-3458A? I now Mark Sims posted his program on Jon Miles site but I am confused how to use it (I want to back up my HP-3458A before I attempt to replace the display board). thanks, Randy Evans AE6YG ___ volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts and follow the instructions there.
