Re: [volt-nuts] Latching Low Thermal EMF Relays

2014-07-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 
CA+u-Crae+cUPJvpZGucn=kt_weay9dvqjdk9okbl9zfs9vn...@mail.gmail.com, George 
Atkinson 
writes:

The problem is that most low thermal EMF relays (COTO, Picckering etc) use
reed contacts for environment reasons, but reeds are not easy to latch.

That's actually not true, Bell labs made latching versions as one of the
first things, because that was the big power-saving in telephony switching.

However, the latching version came with a polarity requirement, you send
current one way to latch and the other to unlatch, and that either meant
having two coils would opposite or significant more complexity in the
relay circuit in the driving registers.  Therefore they went back to the old
holding coil model instead.


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Re: [volt-nuts] Latching Low Thermal EMF Relays

2014-07-12 Thread George Atkinson
Hi Randy,
The datasheet does not break it down completely but experince of breaking
down their numbers, deduction (comparing catalog part numbers for low level
and low thermal relays)  and common sense indicates that the TLT indicates
low thermal EMF. They don't specify levels, but with this part number as a
starting point some websearching my get the info, or contact OMRON direct.

Robert G8RPI.


On 12 July 2014 01:40, Randy Evans randyevans2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks George,

 I had looked at that part but the data sheet was confusing.  It did not
 indicate how to specify low thermal emf or indicate what the emf voltage
 is.  Am I just missing it?

 Thanks again,

 Randy


 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:58 PM, George Atkinson 
 robertg8...@virginmedia.com wrote:

  Hi,
  The problem is that most low thermal EMF relays (COTO, Picckering etc)
 use
  reed contacts for environment reasons, but reeds are not easy to latch.
  The good news is that the Omron G6 range has the options you require (and
  just about any other small relay option).
  for example the G6AK-274P-STLT-US-DC5 which is dual coil latching, 5v
 coils
  and low thermal EMF. It's about $10 from Mouser. The critical parts of
 the
  number are AK for dual coil latching, AU for single coil latching and
 STLT
  for low thermal EMF  DCx is coil voltage, between 3 and 28V.
  Datasheet here http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/307/G6A_0911-4215.pdf
 
  HTH,
  Robert G8RPI.
 
  P.S. Relay contact technology is fascinating. I once specified a lamp
 rated
  (added cadmium in contacts) version of a relay. It was controlled by a
 PIC
  driving 3 linear halogen lamps (see patent US7247429
  
 
 http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=Ddate=20070724DB=EPODOClocale=en_EPCC=USNR=7247429B2KC=B2ND=5
  
  ). A couple of years in production decided that a single letter change in
  the part number of the relay didn't matter and saved a couple of dollars.
  Guess what, we got failures with welded contacts (fortunatly I'd put a
  thermal cutout in series with the lamps, mostly incase my PIC code fell
  over, so no fires :-) Took a while before field service caomplained about
  poor design..
  Then there are the low level and power rated relays that use a gold flash
  over silver. Trouble is if you use it for power they will fail in low
 level
  use. A lot of mil-spec relays use this trick and I've seen problems where
  relay swapping for fault finding has swapped a low level with a power and
  back. No initial problem, but months later the contacts have gone high.
  Then there was the supplier who tested all the new relays - under load,
  DOH!
 
 
  On 11 July 2014 19:15, Randy Evans randyevans2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   That is an assembly but I am looking for an individual relay part that
 I
   can put on a PCB.
  
   Randy
  
  
   On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Wim de Jong wim.de.jong...@solcon.nl
 
   wrote:
  
The http://www.transmille.co.uk/8500.htm
   
Wim de Jong
   
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Re: [volt-nuts] Latching Low Thermal EMF Relays

2014-07-11 Thread Randy Evans
That is an assembly but I am looking for an individual relay part that I
can put on a PCB.

Randy


On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Wim de Jong wim.de.jong...@solcon.nl
wrote:

 The http://www.transmille.co.uk/8500.htm

 Wim de Jong

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