Re: Shipping LN2 or liquified air
Horace Heffner (The Grand Dragon Professor of Vortex-l) wrote: :-) Like I said, if you feel that is true go for it. I have other things I would much rather discuss. I will soon return to ignoring highly speculative posts on this issue. Good idea. That gives others a chance to mull over a posted thought before you jump in with your "Self-Taught" edicts and discourage further discussion. LIST RULES: "The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which exhibit anomalous energy effects (ie: the inventions of Schaeffer, Huffman, Griggs, and Potapov among others.) Skeptics beware, the topics also wander to any anomalous physics such as "Cold Fusion," reports of excess energy in "free energy" devices, chemical transmutation, gravity generation and detection, and all sorts of supposedly crackpot claims." " 2. NO SNEERING. Ridicule, derision, scoffing, and ad-hominem is banned. "Pathological Skepticism" is banned (see http://amasci.com/pathsk2.txt) The tone here should be one of legitimate disagreement and respectful debate. Vortex-L is a big nasty nest of 'true believers' (hopefully having some tendency to avoid self-deception,) and skeptics may as well leave in disgust. But if your mind is open and you wish to test "crazy" claims rather than ridiculing them or explaining them away, hop on board!"
Re: Smokestack CO2 LN2 Production
The most obvious place to reduce atmospheric CO2 is at the stacks of fossil fuel-burning power plants(about 3 pounds/Kilowatt-hour), lime-kilns, cement plants, and other fixed sources. The worlds hydrosphere and terrestrial biomass growth can handle holding the atmospheric CO2 level at optimum, if the input burden is reduced. LN2 production is the obvious way to handle the N2, CO2, and H2O stack gases for cost effective separation. Pipelines or transport vehicles can handle disposal of CO2 for storagein abandoned gas wells, and underground sites previously for natural gas storage. With present electrical power "Wheeling" laws, wind or other non-fossil power can be applied to the sequestering process through their use . These ARE POLITICAL NOT TECHNICAL PROBLEMS. Frederick
Re: Shipping LN2 or liquified air
Frederick Sparber writes Horace Heffner (The Grand Dragon Professor of Vortex-l) wrote: :-) Like I said, if you feel that is true go for it. I have other things I would much rather discuss. I will soon return to ignoring highly speculative posts on this issue. Good idea. That gives others a chance to mull over a posted thought before you jump in with your Self-Taught edicts and discourage further discussion. This is really curious for a salutary chuckle, if nothing else, Fred. I find it intensely amusing that someone who normally excels in occasionally brilliant but occasionally deficient speculations based on a partial understanding of the total physics behind certain phenomena (the ones he chooses to believe in), to suddenly act as if he expects a possible cutting-edge and certainly very novel concept, (which he chooses not to believe in), to somehow be presented to him with full experimental proof and fully vetted details, as if it came directly from an accredited University laboratory with a mega-million budget. Bizarre If I had the resources to do prove the concept or even to continue to the next level of experimentation, would I even be presenting it here in the hope that someone with the necessary resources who might find it compelling, an will pursue it? Yes, I think Horace in following his bliss on the free-energy scene, would benefit greatly from ignoring highly speculative posts ... but if he does choose to comment, instead of compounding his ignorance at the expense of our bliss, it would seem that he can accomplish much more by dispensing with the unwarranted level of negativism... especially negativism compounded by short-sightedness. Negativism based on a *clear understanding* of relevant issues can be helpful, but not based on personal and arbitrary standards that only apply to the ideas of others. BTW the cynical observer might even interpret this kind of behavior as a thinly disguised not invented here type of envy-negativism, no? Jones
BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
[It is absurd that these people think a claim can be disproved with a single experiment! And if they do not really believe that, they should not say it, because people viewing the television will believe them. - JR] Horizon Thu 17 Feb, 9:00 pm - 9:50 pm 50mins (BBC2) An Experiment to Save the World Horizon takes one of the most controversial and ambitious claims in science, and conducts an experiment to see if it's really true. If the experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it fails, then that dream will die. The experiment is an attempt to make nuclear fusion, one of the Holy Grails of science. Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the sun, and scientists know that if they could just make fusion happen here on Earth, they could solve all the world's energy problems. Billions of pounds have been spent, but so far nuclear fusion has failed to deliver. Now an American scientist claims to have created nuclear fusion simply by bombarding a flask of liquid with sound waves. His work has been published in Science Magazine, one of the most prestigious journals in the world. But many scientists refuse to believe his claims. Horizon attempts to sort the matter out once and for all; we've commissioned a team of world class scientists to try and replicate Rusi Taleyarkhan's experiment. This film reveals the result of that experiment. [With audio description] Subtitles Stereo Widescreen Website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/horizon/
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Gnorts, Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Jed. Knuke Am Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2005 16:47 schrieb Jed Rothwell: [It is absurd that these people think a claim can be disproved with a single experiment! And if they do not really believe that, they should not say it, because people viewing the television will believe them. - JR] Horizon Thu 17 Feb, 9:00 pm - 9:50 pm 50mins (BBC2) An Experiment to Save the World Horizon takes one of the most controversial and ambitious claims in science, and conducts an experiment to see if it's really true. If the experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it fails, then that dream will die. The experiment is an attempt to make nuclear fusion, one of the Holy Grails of science. Nuclear fusion is the process that powers the sun, and scientists know that if they could just make fusion happen here on Earth, they could solve all the world's energy problems. Billions of pounds have been spent, but so far nuclear fusion has failed to deliver. Now an American scientist claims to have created nuclear fusion simply by bombarding a flask of liquid with sound waves. His work has been published in Science Magazine, one of the most prestigious journals in the world. But many scientists refuse to believe his claims. Horizon attempts to sort the matter out once and for all; we've commissioned a team of world class scientists to try and replicate Rusi Taleyarkhan's experiment. This film reveals the result of that experiment. [With audio description] Subtitles Stereo Widescreen Website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/horizon/
Book is revised slightly / Paper by Fleischmann
I revised the book slightly and uploaded new versions. I corrected six or eight typos, improved the caption to figure 16.6, and added a new figure to chapter 13. No big deal. Yesterday, I uploaded a gigantic bear of a paper paper by Martin Fleischmann et al. it took me a week to prepare it. This was the second paper they published, according to our database. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Fleischmancalorimetr.pdf Martin really went overboard in the calorimetry department -- in my opinion. Skeptics sometimes claim that FP did not do calibration experiments and they did not do careful work before going public in 1989. This paper shows that these skeptics do not know what they are talking about. We now have the first and second papers published by FP. - Jed
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Michael Huffman wrote: Gnorts, Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Jed. And the BBC has been doing them for -- what? -- six weeks? And yet they claim: If the experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it fails, then that dream will die. The DREAM WILL DIE, folks!!! All of you in viewing audience: please, clap your hands! Keep Tinker-bell alive! - Jed
Emailing: ethics
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Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Ahoy Knuke, Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Even so, it was a big mistake, and typical mainstream arrogance, that in all the publicity that Taleyarkhan recieved (riding on the ORNL coat-tails) that he did not credit nor even mention the extraordinary contributions to the field of sonfusion from former vortex contributor Ross Tessien, founder of Impulse Devices, and Dr. Gaitan the chief scientist (nor did he mention Knuke either, but should have !). Caveat: this criticism relates to the first ORNL announcement and they may have issued an addenda, but if so, it didn't make the news. Here is some new and surprising info from them (Tessien's Co); http://tinyurl.com/6f5me Grass Valley CA (SPX) Dec 14, 2004 Impulse Devices, a developer of sonofusion power (acoustic inertial confinement fusion, AICF), announced Monday the availability of its research reactor to laboratories, universities, power equipment manufacturers and utilities attempting to produce a new alternative energy. Jones They are selling the reactor, which should accelerate RD but the actual device is a far cry from the Nova reactor pictured in the article.
RE: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Hey Jed + Knuke, If the dream dies, can the reality of LENR finally come out? I for one am getting kind of sick of the dreaming K. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:05 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan Michael Huffman wrote: Gnorts, Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Jed. And the BBC has been doing them for -- what? -- six weeks? And yet they claim: If the experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it fails, then that dream will die. The DREAM WILL DIE, folks!!! All of you in viewing audience: please, clap your hands! Keep Tinker-bell alive! - Jed
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
At 10:47 am 17-02-05 -0500, you wrote: [It is absurd that these people think a claim can be disproved with a single experiment! And if they do not really believe that, they should not say it, because people viewing the television will believe them. - JR] Horizon Thu 17 Feb, 9:00 pm - 9:50 pm 50mins (BBC2) An Experiment to Save the World It would be interesting to know the agenda of the people who thought that one up. 8-( Still, it may be a sign someone's getting worried this Cold Fusion malarkey could be for real, eh, and they want to abort it. 8-) But, as the modern proverb goes, NO PUBLICITY IS BAD PUBLICITY. Grimer
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration and BS. The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in bubbles, not cold fusion. The rates are very low and the method would not work if power output were at commercial levels, yet this work gets attention. In contrast, Stringham has caused cold fusion to occur at near commercial levels in metals by applying deuterium to the metal using cavitation, yet this work is ignored. We are not being treated to dreams, but to nightmares. Ed Keith Nagel wrote: Hey Jed + Knuke, If the dream dies, can the reality of LENR finally come out? I for one am getting kind of sick of the dreaming K. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:05 PM To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan Michael Huffman wrote: Gnorts, Taleyarkhan has been doing cavitation experiments for over thirty years, Jed. And the BBC has been doing them for -- what? -- six weeks? And yet they claim: If the experiment works, then the world could be on the way to a new form of cheap, unlimited, pollution free energy. But if it fails, then that dream will die. The DREAM WILL DIE, folks!!! All of you in viewing audience: please, clap your hands! Keep Tinker-bell alive! - Jed
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Moin Moin! I'm just glad (and a bit surprised, actually) to see Taleyarkhan's work being examined at all. I read very vague references to his work when I first started researching cavitation in 1993, and that was in the form of some BBS messages or something. It wasn't even on the internet. In some references, he was referred to as being a professor, in others not. There was no mention of his country of origin, and by his name, I figured that he was Russian. He was using cavitation to clean large aquarium tanks in the far East - Singapore, I believe, in the mid 70's. Beyond that, there was never any mention of him, and I was digging for info on him for years. His work just wasn't very widely published back then. As I recall, he had only published two papers in some very obscure journals, and I never could find any copies of those. Of course, you are right that a large number of people have contributed to the science since Lord Reyleigh first proposed the cavitation bubble collapse hypothosis in the late 1800's, and Jed is also right about the black and white nature of the announcement of the BBC experiment, but that is purely showbizness. The fact remains though, that Taleyarkhan was doing useful work with cavitation twenty years before the likes of me, Tessien, or Putterman got into the act, and I am glad to see that he is still around. By his foto, he doesn't look to be all that old, either. It would be interesting to learn more about his career. Knuke Even so, it was a big mistake, and typical mainstream arrogance, that in all the publicity that Taleyarkhan recieved (riding on the ORNL coat-tails) that he did not credit nor even mention the extraordinary contributions to the field of sonfusion from former vortex contributor Ross Tessien, founder of Impulse Devices, and Dr. Gaitan the chief scientist (nor did he mention Knuke either, but should have !). Caveat: this criticism relates to the first ORNL announcement and they may have issued an addenda, but if so, it didn't make the news. Here is some new and surprising info from them (Tessien's Co); http://tinyurl.com/6f5me
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
have !). Caveat: this criticism relates to the first ORNL announcement and they may have issued an addenda, but if so, it didn't make the news. I am told that the second paper addressed the criticism from the first paper: http://newenergytimes.com/news/8.htm#impulsedevices s
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Given a moment to reflect on ALL of the circumstances...DUH... one should always follow the buck first and ask questions later. Even so, it was a big mistake, and typical mainstream arrogance, that in all the publicity that Taleyarkhan recieved (riding on the ORNL coat-tails) that he did not credit nor even mention the extraordinary contributions to the field of sonfusion from former vortex contributor Ross Tessien, founder of Impulse Devices, and Dr. Gaitan the chief scientist (nor did he mention Knuke either, but should have !). Should have mentioned Russ George also, as Ed suggests... and... I forgot to mention that since incorporation, IDI has received over 20 patents and expects even more. Our patent attorneys are Townsend Townsend in San Francisco, one of the nation's best patent law firms, Tessien told one writer. Yup. They are probably THE best, not one of the best, and that is also probably why they have either threatened litigation or asked for a cease and desist order against ORNL, and why ORNL, which has its own hefty staff of IP professionals, does not, and will not, acknowledge the prior art (until a court order, or some settlement, that is) one cannot imagine that there is no possibility of infringement here with this many patents floating around. All this high level legal maneuvering and yet... Bob Park thinks it is still pathological science, with no basis in reality... Follow the Buck, Bob... Jones BTW is it for certain that this show is a put-down? The Beeb is usually rather circumspect about that kind of thing.
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
At 10:44 am 17-02-05 -0700, you wrote: Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration and BS. The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in bubbles, snip or cold fusion occuring in Beta-aether vacua cavities. 8^) Grimer
RE: Emailing: ethics
Howdy RC, I showed your document to Coyote, he yelped and barked and generally carried on so as I had to plug my ears for all the racket. After things calmed down, he sent me here. http://thesmokinggun.com/enron/enronethics1.html Coyote recommended it to me, and I to you. Can we get more businesses to sign on to this pledge? Coyote sez, They're lining up to sign. K. -Original Message- From: RC Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:09 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Emailing: ethics Setting the Standard Code of Ethics and Business Conduct This Flier, Setting the Standard, has been adopted by THECOMPANY as our Company's Code of Ethics and Business Conduct. It summarizes the virtues and principals that are to guide our actions in business. We expect our representatives, consultants, contractors and suppliers to be guided by them as well. There are numerous resources available to assist you in meeting the challenge of performing your duties and responsibilities. There can be no better course of action for you than to apply common sense and sound judgement to the manner in which you conduct yourself. However, do not hesitate to use the resources that are available whenever it is necessary to seek clarification. The COMPANY aims to set the standard for ethical business conduct. We will achieve this through six virtues: Honesty, Integrity, Respect, Trust, Responsibility, and Citizenship. Honesty: to be truthful in all our endeavors; to be honest and forthright with one another and with our representatives, customers, communities, and suppliers. Integrity: to say what we mean, to deliver what we promise, and to stand for what is right. Respect: to treat one another with dignity and fairness, appreciating the diversity of our workforce and the uniqueness of each employee. Trust: to build confidence through teamwork and open, candid communication. Responsibility: to speak up - without fear of retribution - and report concerns in the work place, .including violations of laws, regulations and company policies, and seek clarification and guidance whenever there is doubt. Citizenship: to obey all the laws of the United States and the other countries in which we do business and to do our part to make the communities in which we live better. You can count on us to do everything in our power to meet THE COMPANY'S standards. We are counting on you to do the same. We are confident that our trust in you is well placed and we are determined to be worhty of your trust. I see more and more Companies adopt this statement as a code of conduct ..BUT ?? I see NO US government agencies adopt it. They have a Mission Statement BUT NO ETHICS STATEMENT Richard
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
I think it's easier not to confuse cold fusion with hot fusion by introducing the Beta-ether concept. We have enough trouble just talking about what is known without introducing what is unknown. Cold fusion describes nuclear reactions that take place in special atomic lattices without application of significant ambient energy, and result in helium when fusion occurs. On the other hand, hot fusion occurs in a plasma or when significant energy is applied, is independent of the atomic environment, and produces neutrons and tritium in equal amounts. The Taleyarkhan work produces a microplasma and detects neutrons. Based on the observed behavior, this is hot fusion, not cold fusion. I might add, the reaction rates are over 12 orders of magnitude less than those observed by Stringham. Even if the observations are real, they have a long way to go before the effect is useful. Regards, Ed Grimer wrote: At 10:44 am 17-02-05 -0700, you wrote: Once again, we are being treated to one more example of exaggeration and BS. The Taleyarkhan cavitation work is hot fusion occurring in bubbles, snip or cold fusion occuring in Beta-aether vacua cavities. 8^) Grimer
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
Amen! Ludivine Sagnier made a much more exciting Tinker than Julia Roberts: http://www.themakeupgallery.info/fantasy/elf/ppan.htm Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep Tinker-bell alive! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'
Re: BBC Horizon to feature Taleyarkhan
- Original Message - From: Michael Huffman Actually, I think that I am confusing Taleyarkhan with an earlier researcher with a similar name. I did a quick Google, and came up with a paper at: http://www.sciencemag.org/feature/data/hottopics/bubble/1067589.pdf Hey, along similar more recent lines and threads G there is an interesting finding, at the end of this paper, Tritium activity increases only in chilled ( 0°C) cavitated C3D6O, coupled with evidence for neutron emissions in chilled cavitated C3D6O... Hmmm... tritium activity increasing in chilled acetone near the freeaing point of D2O. What could that mean? Was D2O present at all? It appears that acetone melts at ?94.8°C so this is not likely to involve the same brittle mechanical failure mechanism of explosive ice, or is it? At any rate, when hydrogen (or deuterium) bonds fail catastrophically in an explosive failure, atoms do get accelerated to keV energies, thus the x-rays seen in exploding-ice. One can interpret the implications of the Fateev experiments, cited earlier, in many ways to suit their personal agenda, but one cannot deny that x-rays do result from this mechanical failure. Indeed Bridgman showed the same thing with may types of brittle failure. The Fusor of Miley Hull etc. has demonstrated rather conclusively that head-on D fusion of the warm ICF variety requires a minimum of 10 keV per particle. Unlike Ed, I do not agree that this is necessarily the same as hot plasma fusion, even though the fusion products may be the same. There could just be an under-appreciated resonance at 10-25 keV range. BTW the rock-solid Fusor results of R. Hull seem to show that there is no net advantage, perhaps a nerative return of energy, of going much beyond 25 keV per particle in energy in the Fusor, so this is not exactly the same as hot fusion, even though the ash is the same, confusion of no. Is it possible that bubble fusion is not about bubble *collapse,* necessarily but about the pulling apart of hydrogen bonds in bubble *formation* at the point where the bonds normally would start to stiffen, due to decreasing temperature? IOW when a deuterium bond is at zero-C at ambient pressure, and that pressure is suddenly removed, prior to cavitation in the formation of the bubble; then the effective temperature drops signicantly for those bonds. The bonds will tend to realign to the new angle (the angle they assume in the solid, which is different than the bond-angle of the liquid), and the Casimir force will wrench some small proportion of bare deuterons away in a brittle mechanical failure. What happens next is anybody's guess. Of course, wouldn't it be delightful, for other reasons, to learn that there was some heavy water in the acetone. Some fringe observers might then claim that D2O is the active medium... but even if not... Wonder what happens when you get the acetone temperature down closer to the f.p.? They aren't telling, for whatever reason, but the thought surely crossed their collective minds during the experiment, since they already found positive results going lower... maybe Knuke knows what happens at lower temperatures, yet ? Jones
Re: Secure self-sustaining mini-mega pyramid communities
Additional Comments: 1. Note: Mini-mega-pyramidal and saucer-dome communities should also be able to withstand earthquakes and floods, by making the pyramids earthquake proof and water tight. High strength metals, crystals and plastics, and nanotechnologies especially those made from highly compressed sand and common ores, may be used to make the pyramid construction materials, so that the pyramids can be produced with materials that are local and common world wide. The pyramids should also be fire proof and bomb proof by using advanced materials, and automatited advanced monitoring and counter measure systems which monitor the pyramid, and surrounding areas, and automatically protect and self repair the pyramid. 2. The pyramids use saucer domes to grow foods. If the saucer domes are made to be sealed and floatable as well as flyable, then they can also be used as an emergency center for the pyramid communities to also relocate to if the pyramid is damaged. 3. To defend the pyramid communities from armies and large crowds, automated robotic drones may be built which monitor and the defend the pyramid communities automatically, in addition to man made motes or rivers, and high security fences and electronic fences and force fields placed around the pyramid communities. Baron Von Volsung, www.rhfweb.com\baron, Email: www.rhfweb.com\emailform.html President Thomas D. Clark, Email: www.rhfweb.com\emailform.html, Personal Web Page: www.rhfweb.com\personal New Age Production's Inc., www.rhfweb.com\newage Star Haven Community Services, at www.rhfweb.com\sh. Radiation Health Foundation Trust at www.rhfweb.com Making a difference one person at a time Get informed. Inform others.
Re: Silicon as an energy storage medium
At 2:33 AM 2/16/5, Nick Palmer wrote: This looks like a good way of transporting renewable energy (in this case from hot sunny countries). Nick http://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD/PROD00079095.pdf Sorry for the delay in responding to this. This is an excellent and stimulating paper. I did not get around to reading this sooner due to my typical bumbling around. This is a very well developed concept with many robust positive ramifications. It clearly shows a means of transporting energy long range and storing energy that is highly compatible with an otherwise principly hydrogen economy and which is also achievable by engineering using existing principles and processes. This closes the gap on the critical missing functions for a global renewable energy economy - long range transportation and storage. It also utilizes solar energy and equatorial regions, which is a good compliment to the extensive energy available from wind and the good thermodynamic conditions in polar regions. This seems to absolutely nail down the fact that a global carbon free renewable energy economy is feasible now if the political will exists to make it so. Some first impressions follow. There are clearly risks associated with transporting silicon by ship. As the author points out, silcon combusts spontaneously in air and produces ammonia in the presence of water. The author points out that this risk can be minimized for handling purposes by crystalization and occupation of the surface sites. Still, a ship grounding accident could be very hazardous, but nothing like the Exxon Valdez in the way of a long term environmental hazard, so that is a huge improvement. Unloading or handling solid silicon (in an inert invironment?) might be a significant engineering and safety challenge, though maybe those problems would be minimal if the silicon is hermetically containerized or encapsulated. Loading and unloading would be greatly facilitated by using a liquid technology. There is still missing a good technology for vehicle fueling, which might be handled by LN2, etc., but which might also be handled by a silicon compound. Given that silicon is so similar to carbon energetically, I have to wonder if it is not economically possible to hydrogenate it to make a liquid which is biodegradeable or at least which decomposes to SiO2 and water fairly quickly, i.e. in a matter of months. Silane (SiH4) can clearly be produced, and is environmentally friendly, but it has all the shipping and storage problems associated with natural gas. I don't know what problems are associated with tetrasilane (Si4H10) production, or how environmentally degradeable it is, but it boils at 84.3 deg. C. so can be shipped and stored as a liquid. It appears the principle idea proposed for obtaining the energy of Si was the production of ammonia. The following information was given: CompoundEnergy to produce 1 g hydrogen -- Water 143 kJ Methane 18.75 kJ Ammonia 15.4 kJ The ability to produce ammonia is significant in that is serves as a feedstock for furtilizer production and many other things. Since ammonia is valuable in its own right as a feedstock, and energetically valuable as well, the idea of producing ammonia in windfarms and shipping and storing as a liuid may not be totally impracticable (though the very thought makes me uncomfortable!) There have been attempts at producing ammonia powered fuel cells, but this has not worked out AFIK. Hyrdazine (N2H4), which can be produced from ammonia does work in fuel cells by: N2H4 + O2 - N2 + 2H2O but does not strike me as a good approach for vehicles due to the toxicity and other problems with N2H4. It seems reasonable that Si and/or NH3 can be used for long range trades, and bulk electrical energy production. It may be reasonable that LN2 or liquified air be produced in a local fashion for vehicle propulsion. Direct electricity generation by wind or solar could be backed by energy storage involving Si or NH3 related storage and generation facilites. Nuclear can continue to be used for electical generation and possibly for hydrogen or NH3 production for energy storage or transportation, and furtilizer production. For intermediate energy transportation by ground, hydrogen can be piped directly. A carbon free global energy supply is seeming to be a very real possibility through only the application of existing technology. This is an incredibly wonderful possibility. The development of new technologies, like an effective hydrogen storage medium, room temperature superconductors, or cold fusion, only enhance these possibilites. Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: Horizon
Nick Palmer wrote: Well, they didn't find any neutrons above background using more sophisticated neutron detection... I take it you are describing the BBC program. Who are they? What did they conclude? Please give us a little more detail. - Jed
Re: Emailing: ethics
In a message dated 2/17/05 9:10:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Setting the Standard Code of Ethics and Business Conduct Thanks for this post which I can use for my company ethics. From my understanding many companies, individuals, and organizations are controlled, threatened and forced by governments which have no ethics to often do some of the unethical things that they may do. I proposed that a Department of Ethics be added to the USA constitution and government, where the Department of Ethics monitors and educates all government agents on ethical principles, and modern principles of positive ruler ship, and also defends the individual as well as people's rights by means of petition, and monitors classified government activities to make sure they do not violate rights and are ethical. Baron Von Volsung, www.rhfweb.com\baron, Email: www.rhfweb.com\emailform.html President Thomas D. Clark, Email: www.rhfweb.com\emailform.html, Personal Web Page: www.rhfweb.com\personal New Age Production's Inc., www.rhfweb.com\newage Star Haven Community Services, at www.rhfweb.com\sh. Radiation Health Foundation Trust at www.rhfweb.com Making a difference one person at a time Get informed. Inform others.
Re: Horizon
At 05:00 pm 17-02-05 -0500, you wrote: Nick Palmer wrote: Well, they didn't find any neutrons above background using more sophisticated neutron detection... I take it you are describing the BBC program. Who are they? What did they conclude? Please give us a little more detail. - Jed http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/experiment_prog_summary.shtml An except from the above: = The experiment was carried out by Seth Putterman, one of the world's leading practitioners of sonoluminescence. His data was analysed by a panel in the UK that included experts in sonoluminescence and neutron detection. They agreed that Putterman had achieved the vital scientific conditions set out in Taleyarkhan's paper and that his experiment was a good attempt at getting the same results. But then it came down to the crucial question: did Putterman find fusion? The result was negative. Recording data nanosecond by nanosecond, Putterman did not find a single neutron close enough to a flash of light for it to be considered the result of nuclear fusion. = Grimer
Re: Horizon
Here's the programme details. If you want the programme transcript it is available on http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/experiment_prog_summary.shtml In March 2002, the scientific world was rocked by some astonishing news: a distinguished US government scientist claimed he had made nuclear fusion out of sound waves in his laboratory. Rusi Taleyarkhan's breakthrough was such important news because nuclear fusion is one of the most difficult scientific processes, and also one of the most coveted. It could solve all of our energy problems for ever. In principle, sufficient fuel exists on earth to provide clean, pollution-free energy for billions of people for millions of years. To make it happen, individual atoms must be slammed into each other with enough energy to make them fuse together, something that requires temperatures found only in the core of stars like our Sun over 10 million Kelvin. The idea that these temperatures had been reached in a small scale laboratory using only soundwaves took many scientists by surprise. To them, fusion projects were huge multibillion-pound, intergovernmental schemes with the far off goal of producing energy in several decades time. Taleyarkhan's fusion breakthrough was based on a little-understood process called sonoluminescence. It's a process that magically transforms sound waves into flashes of light, focusing the sound energy into a tiny flickering hot spot inside a bubble. It's been called the star in a jar. The star in a jar effortlessly reaches temperatures of tens of thousands of degrees, hotter than the surface of the sun. Many scientists had wondered if the core of the bubble was even hotter maybe even as hot as the core of the sun. If so, fusion would happen there. But until Taleyarkhan, no one had been able to either prove it or disprove it. The breakthrough and the paper in Science attracted great scepticism. When fusion takes place, particles called neutrons are given off. These are considered by scientists to be the key signature of nuclear fusion but measuring neutrons on a small, laboratory scale had proven notoriously difficult in the past and had even killed off an infamous fusion claim in 1989. Many scientists didn't believe that Rusi Taleyarkhan' neutron detection was absolutely right. So to get to the bottom of the issue, the experiment was re-run by Mike Saltmarsh and Dan Shapiro, colleagues at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. They couldn't find any evidence of fusion. But the controversy escalated as Taleyarkhan's team stood their ground and then, two years later, brought out a new paper showing even more fusion and more neutrons. This paper was thoroughly reviewed and published in another respected journal. But the the controversy wouldn't die down. Nuclear fusion from soundwaves would be a huge scientific breakthrough and to be convinced of it, many scientists wanted to see better evidence, evidence that was absolutely incontrovertible. They wanted to look very precisely at the timing of the neutrons to see just how closely they were related to the flashes of light. If they occurred at the exact same time, they would finally be convinced that fusion was taking place. But they wanted timing with incredible accuracy, that of a nanosecond, or a billionth of a second. This was one measurement that, though possible, still hadn't been carried out by Taleyarkhan and his team. So Horizon decided to try to sort out the issue once and for all. And we commissioned an independent team of leading scientists to conduct the experiment. Working from the instructions set out in Taleyarkhan's paper, we assembled the same key scientific conditions to create nuclear fusion from sonoluminescence. To see if we could find fusion, we measured the neutrons and the flashes of light simultaneously with nanosecond accuracy, something that had never been done before. The experiment was carried out by Seth Putterman, one of the world's leading practitioners of sonoluminescence. His data was analysed by a panel in the UK that included experts in sonoluminescence and neutron detection. They agreed that Putterman had achieved the vital scientific conditions set out in Taleyarkhan's paper and that his experiment was a good attempt at getting the same results. But then it came down to the crucial question: did Putterman find fusion? The result was negative. Recording data nanosecond by nanosecond, Putterman did not find a single neutron close enough to a flash of
Re: Horizon
At 10:46 pm 17-02-05 -, you wrote: Here's the programme details. If you want the programme transcript it is available on http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/experiment_prog_summary.shtml Actually, that is the summary, Nick. The transcript is at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/experiment_trans.shtml Cheers Grimer
Re: Horizon
From: Frank Grimer = The experiment was carried out by Seth Putterman, one of the world's leading practitioners of sonoluminescence. His data was analysed by a panel in the UK that included experts in sonoluminescence and neutron detection. They agreed that Putterman had achieved the vital scientific conditions set out in Taleyarkhan's paper and that his experiment was a good attempt at getting the same results. But then it came down to the crucial question: did Putterman find fusion? The result was negative. Recording data nanosecond by nanosecond, Putterman did not find a single neutron close enough to a flash of light for it to be considered the result of nuclear fusion. = One wonders, if the BBC really wanted to present a fair picture of the DREAM of the low energy fusion, which is the whole range of LENR - and not just this particular device, why they did not also look at the Fusor: http://fusor.net/ http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv-old/fusor/construction/ If neutrons are all they want to find as proof, these Fusor things are great robust neutron sources, have been built for a few thousand dollars, and with absolutely no doubt where the strong source of neutrons is coming from. And they consume less power than an oven. Even LENR skeptic Scott Little built one that can produce more cumulative neutrons than many Tokomaks have. Guess the answer is, that the BBC was not interested in fairness. Or hopefully, they will add another episode and look at the Fusor and the IPI device. BTW earlier I misstated that: The Fusor of Miley, Hull etc. has demonstrated rather conclusively that head-on D fusion of the warm ICF variety requires a minimum of 10 keV per particle. This is incorrect. The Farnsworth-type Fusor (warm fusion) uses 10-25 kilovolt input voltage to the grid itself. However, the average plasma temperature itself is less than 5 eV. In hot fusion the average plasma temperature will be in multi-keV range, which is more than a thousand times higher than in the Fusor. The Fusor can produce 10^8 neutrons per second using tritium, and even small Fusors can produce 10^5 neutrons per second using no tritium. This is far away from net energy breakeven, but it could be quite useful to effectively provide the required make-up neutrons for a subcritical fission reactor. In fact, just using Uranium for the containment structure of a fusor, with a thick external graphite moderator, will get pretty close to breakeven because of the multiplication ratio. In sonofusion, especially using cold acetone, the average temperature of the working medium is far less than 1 eV. The UV light emitted would indicate that high temperature occurs inside the bubble, but that could be secondary re-emission, after the fusion has already occurred. Sonofusion is not claimed to produce the anywhere near the neutrons of the Fusor, but, why didn't the BBC spring for the IPI device? Maybe on rental, if cost was the issue ($250,000 US) - that is, if they were interested in a fair story. Maybe Tessien would even guaranteed a certain amount of neutrons and lend them one - just for the publicity. that would assume that the BBC had done its homework, which is not the case. It has been claimed that in sonofusion, the tritium and 3He ash are produced in equal quantities, as in hot fusion. This can be the case but often it is not the case, depending to some degree on the average temperature of the working medium, as the Taleyarkhan article indicates. I think that there are three different fusion regimes, cold, warm and hot; and that it is a mistake to try to classify the Fusor and sonofusion as hot fusion devices just because the fusion ash can sometimes look like the ash from hot fusion. The ash can or cannot look the same, depending on circumstances. If this creates con-fusion, then that only means that you cannot say warm fusion without saying confusion. Jones Hey Frank, does the BBC have a complaints department that I can send this message to?
Re: Emailing: ethics
At 11:08 AM 2/17/5, RC Macaulay wrote: [snip] Honesty: to be truthful in all our endeavors; to be honest and forthright with one another and with our representatives, customers, communities, and suppliers. [snip] I see NO US government agencies adopt it. They have a Mission Statement BUT NO ETHICS STATEMENT Being forthright with customers (the public), or even interdepartmentally, is not considered a good thing in many government circles. Anything slightly critical is considered airing the dirty laundry. There was an interesting example of this about a week ago here in Alaska. A security guard at the state office building in Juneau, which houses the legislature, wrote a letter to the editor concerning the fact that drinking occurs openly and regularly in the home of the legislature, while it is forbidden (by statute) in other state buildings. The drinking is not behind closed doors, but right out in the open, in the hallways etc. The result of the guard's letter was swift and predictable. The guard was fired. As a result, he made the local TV news afterward, so that was good. When confronted with adversity, little bureaucratic minds circle the wagons and stonewall. They can't handle dissention. It is hard to imagine big bureaucracies adopting standards that encourage forthright speach. Regards, Horace Heffner
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RE: Horizon
Hey RC, You write: The point of this post is to suggest that chlorine may have a place in examining SL events. I seem to remember free hydrogen and chlorine recombining with greater brisance and at lower energies than hydrogen and oxygen. Perhaps that is why when you loaded the water with chlorine you saw more SL. Also, the byproduct is HCl which would further erode the copper pipe. A question for you, what is wire draw? K.
Re: Horizons
Hiya Keith, Wire draw is valve "lingo" for describing cavitation effects that damage a valve seat by a cutting action that sometimes looks like a razor blade had cut across the seat face. Valve sizing is important ,not only for flow control, but also to recognize an extreme high differential pressure across the valve invites cavitation. In valves the high pitched sound is a clue of a cavitation event. In pumps ,it soundslike marbles or gravel flowing in the volute of the pump. True about HCL. I do recall the copper pipe appeared to be " rotted" as well as " shot peened". We continue to observe " events" in our applied research project in vortex reactors for seawater pretreatment to reduce mineral content prior to the filters ahead of the reverse osmosis membranes ( a major DeSal headache). A bottomless pit where money disappears and results just tantalizing enough to stay the course. Its good we have no external research funding that requires an accounting. Its no wonder Universities become paranoid fromexplaining " we're still looking for answers" Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
