Re: the political economy of energy distribution
At 02:08 am 12/05/2006 -0500, you wrote: >IMO, as long as work, money, and energy consumption, are culturally linked >the "too cheap to meter" dream will never be realised. >Even if energy becomes 100 times less expensive, we, as individuals, >will find ourselves consuming 100 times more energy. > >Harry Not so Harry. There are limits to the amount one can consume, whether it be food, drink or entertainment. Water is "too cheap to meter", in Britain at any rate. I have a free bus pass for the whole of Greater London but the maximum I could use it would be 24 hours a day. Frank
Re: the political economy of energy distribution
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 02:08:47 -0500: Hi, [snip] >IMO, as long as work, money, and energy consumption, are culturally linked >the "too cheap to meter" dream will never be realised. >Even if energy becomes 100 times less expensive, we, as individuals, >will find ourselves consuming 100 times more energy. [snip] That's why it's important that we learn to appreciate the value of efficiency before energy becomes too cheap to meter. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: the political economy of energy distribution
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 00:19:02 > -0500: > Hi, > [snip] >> >> The article does not say this, but I suspect something like capitalism will >> still be required. A percentage of energy tokens may go unused because >> many people may be happy to consume less than their alloted share. > > Energy is going to be almost "too cheap to meter". The only > eternally valid unit of exchange is the "hour of work", since this > is the only resource which we all value about equally. (The > communists did get something right). Even in Star Trek they > exchange "shifts". > IMO, as long as work, money, and energy consumption, are culturally linked the "too cheap to meter" dream will never be realised. Even if energy becomes 100 times less expensive, we, as individuals, will find ourselves consuming 100 times more energy. Harry
Re: the political economy of energy distribution
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 12 May 2006 00:19:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] > >The article does not say this, but I suspect something like capitalism will >still be required. A percentage of energy tokens may go unused because >many people may be happy to consume less than their alloted share. Energy is going to be almost "too cheap to meter". The only eternally valid unit of exchange is the "hour of work", since this is the only resource which we all value about equally. (The communists did get something right). Even in Star Trek they exchange "shifts". [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: The Pappajo engine
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Wed, 10 May 2006 09:33:52 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Robin did an inventory of atmospheric Argon-40 based on >the earth's lithosphere-hydrosphere Potassium abundance and the numbers >suggest (to me) that Electronium (*e-) formed in K-40 decay (even in rocks) >is in the electron cloud of Argon-40 daughter or in the electron cloud >of any (O or CO2, O2) water H2O that was nearby at the time of the K-40 >Positron Decay. [snip] Actually, I just used Jones' number for K concentration in the ocean to calculate the total K in the oceans, and compared it to the total Ar in the atmosphere. IOW I didn't take K in the lithosphere into account at all. I reasoned that a continual exchange between the ocean and the atmosphere was possible[1] while K in the lithosphere tends to be locked up (until it dissolves and washes into the ocean). [1] Hydrinohydride binding with K in the ocean would form gaseous Ar which would rise to the surface and mix with the air. Ar in the air which was exposed to cosmic rays would lose it's bound hydrinohydride becoming K again, and would soon dissolve in rain water and end up back in the ocean. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: the political economy of energy distribution
The article does not say this, but I suspect something like capitalism will still be required. A percentage of energy tokens may go unused because many people may be happy to consume less than their alloted share. The job of capitalists will be to compete for these surplus tokens ensuring the energy supply is not wasted and that society as a _whole_ remains "energised". Harry OrionWorks wrote: > "Zell wrote: >> At the risk of being classified as a Startrek nerd, they did use >> something called "gold pressed latinum" on Startrek Deep Space Nine. >> The Ferengis were >> always after it. > > The energy certificate concept is interesting, particularly with computer > technology in mind. > > Take heart Chris. You could be labeled something far worse than a Star Trek > Nerd. > > A Republican. > > From your friendly commie pinko bleeding heart liberal democrat > > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.Zazzle.com/orionworks > > >> >> Gene Roddenberry never really explained how such a society could >> function without money, but a possible system was outlined decades >> before Star Trek first appeared on television... >> >> http://www.technocracy.org/?p=/documents/pamphlets/energy-distribution >> >> Harry >> >> >
Re: The Pappajo engine
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 10 May 2006 07:21:33 -0700 (PDT): Hi Jones, [snip] >Yes, as I was about to say hydrinos are >likely to be involved but as an "agent" for an Auger >cascade methodology, and perhaps not in the way you >are suggesting, based on Mills' published experiments. [snip] Negative muons orbit at the Bohr radius (BR) * electron mass / muon mass. Hence hydrinohydride should try to do the same, i.e. BR * electron mass / hydrino mass, however this works out to a distance from the nucleus of only about 29 F. Problem # 1: According to Mills, the lowest level at which hydrino hydride can exist is p=24 (?). At which level it has a radius of BR / 24 = 2205 F according to Mills, and BR/(24^2) = 91.8 F according to me. Either way, it is larger than the distance at which it should orbit. This leaves several possible scenarios:- 1) It sits snug against the nucleus at it's own radius. 2) It shares it's shrunken electrons with the other nucleus in a covalent bond at very small radius (don't know how big), but it would have to be smaller than it's own radius or there wouldn't be any energy benefit in forming the bond. 3) It loses it's shrunken electrons to the heavier nucleus altogether, and is expelled from the heavier atom with extreme prejudice (possibly stealing a normal electron on the way out in revenge). 4) Is welcomed into the nucleus in a fusion reaction. BTW for the Auger scenario to play out, it would seem to me that one would have to put as much energy into the compound atom to dislodge the hydrino hydride as was initially released when it entered. This would have to be more energy than the Auger cascade frees, because those electrons were initially pushed up a level when the hydrino hydride entered in the first place (reverse Auger cascade), which wouldn't have happened unless the hydrinohydride bonding energy with the K nucleus were greater than the energy of the reverse Auger cascade. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: OT: Bertrand Russell- In Praise of Idleness
On Thursday 11 May 2006 15:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 5/11/2006 10:43:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > [Lloyd Miller Sez:] Skinner was TOTALITARIAN SCUM! Totally opposed by his > own explicit words to freedom and dignity. [Lloyd said] > > [Lloyd Miller Sez:] Bertrand Russell was environmentalist extremist, > anti-industrialist. . . thought the British Empire could be preserved or > replaced with World Government through his idiotic ideas. [Lloyd said] > B.F. Skinner does debate the totalitarian idea in his Walden II book, where > the creator of Walden II, named Frazier, was compared to a fascist > totalitarian like Hitler, since he claimed that only a strong willed > individual fascist leader could get such small socialistic communities > started and keep them running. B.F. Skinner was the professor in Walden > II who at first strongly opposed Walden II, and the totalitarian Frasier > but in the end decided to leave the University for Walden II. B.F. Skinner > is a genius of the best sort since he criticizes his own ideas, and even > hints that he is aware of some of their faults. I got the impression from > reading Walden II, that B.F. Skinner was not at all like the ruthless > scientist that he is portrayed as publicly in many biographies about him, > but rather a very kind hearted person who would rather live in a world > where people care about each other. > > Without B.F. Skinner's Walden II book, there would be not formal > theoretical and academically supported text book on such ideas as are > presented in the book. I can quote a famous psychologist like B.F. Skinner > to support new shared community ideas. > > I will have to read Russell's ideas on world government. I would hope they > are much better than the United Nations. I developed world governmental > ideas which are not centralized nor nationalized to protect only one > majority preferred elite culture, but localized to protect each local > minority culture and each individual world wide and to end needless > nationalized wars. > > Much like B.F. Skinner, Bertrand Russell also was a revolutionary genius, > who as a perfect example of Plato's Philosopher King should encourage a > world government that would end needless nationalistic world wars, and yet > protect each minority culture and each individual world wide form the mass > majority culture which presently is a communistic third and criminal > underworld world culture promoted by the United Nations. > > Best Regards, > > Baron Volsung, www.rhfweb.com/baron > President Thomas D. Clark, Email form: > http://www.rhfweb.com/emailform.html, Personal Web Page: > http://www.rhfweb.com/personal.html > Architectural Engineers, http://www.rhfweb.com/ae > Star Haven Community Services, at http://www.rhfweb.com/sh > Radiation Health Foundation Trust at http://www.rhfweb.com/ > Baron Volsung, www.rhfweb.com/baron > > Making a difference one person at a time > Get informed. Inform others All of which is largely academic inasmuch as we are breeding ourselves into an inevitable 'Easter Island Earth' scenario. Efforts to control our population growth has all ended as dismal failures at the hands of religion, failure of social safety nets or suspicion of the same, and 'tradition'. People want security, and know that only their own families will more likely provide them that! Governments who try to care for needy people eventually breed 'economists' and/or 'efficiency experts', you supply the name, but the end result is also the same. The nets become targets of unscrupulous opportunists about as soon as they become effective; and are taken down like in the United States and in Russia and now, it seems, China. On the other extreme they are overwhelmed as in the case of India, a place that went from four hundred millions who could barely feed themselves in the early 1950's to over a billion in the present who still barely feed themselves. And would not were it not for some discoveries in agriculture in the latter part of the twentieth century. Birth control would have alleviated China and India's problems. It was seriousely tried and failed, just like it has always failed. People cheat on these schemes using the 'shepherd's philosophy' where a few cheaters in a system depending on honesty for fairness tend of become economic winners simply because they are crooks. Hide the child. He/she grows upresult... one more chance that family's older members will be better cared for in their old age. Converselyobey the law. Your few children leave or get swallowed up by some war or other calamity and you are left on the mercy of a state with a failed or soon to fail safety net and die in abject poverty...or OF abject poverty. Like if you were black and lived in the 'lower ninth ward' of New Orleans after Katrina. It matters little the politics that humanity use now. No 'ism' in the world will save a population at c
RE: the political economy of energy distribution
"Zell wrote: > At the risk of being classified as a Startrek nerd, they did use > something called "gold pressed latinum" on Startrek Deep Space Nine. > The Ferengis were > always after it. The energy certificate concept is interesting, particularly with computer technology in mind. Take heart Chris. You could be labeled something far worse than a Star Trek Nerd. A Republican. >From your friendly commie pinko bleeding heart liberal democrat Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.Zazzle.com/orionworks > > Gene Roddenberry never really explained how such a society could > function without money, but a possible system was outlined decades > before Star Trek first appeared on television... > > http://www.technocracy.org/?p=/documents/pamphlets/energy-distribution > > Harry > >
RE: the political economy of energy distribution
At the risk of being classified as a Startrek nerd, they did use something called "gold pressed latinum" on Startrek Deep Space Nine. The Ferengis were always after it. -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 5:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: OT: the political economy of energy distribution In the 24th century there is no need for money in Gene Roddenberry's world of Star Trek. Gene Roddenberry never really explained how such a society could function without money, but a possible system was outlined decades before Star Trek first appeared on television... http://www.technocracy.org/?p=/documents/pamphlets/energy-distribution Harry
Re: OT: Bertrand Russell- In Praise of Idleness
Harry Veeder wrote: The essay is dated 1932 (at the top), so Russell is referring world war 1. Goodness! I sure missed that one. However, it was true of World War I, albeit to a lesser extent. The British economy was dependent upon US food and weapons production from 1916 to 1918, and they did cut back on essential civilian production such as clothing. As I said, you can stop things like that for a while, but not for decades. The British were also heavily dependent upon exploiting their colonies. It was not slavery, but Englishmen were living off of the work of Africans and Indian people. I think by the 1930s the colonies were no longer economically beneficial, but in World War II they went back to heavy exploitation for the war effort and millions of Indian people starved to death. - Jed
OT: the political economy of energy distribution
In the 24th century there is no need for money in Gene Roddenberry's world of Star Trek. Gene Roddenberry never really explained how such a society could function without money, but a possible system was outlined decades before Star Trek first appeared on television... http://www.technocracy.org/?p=/documents/pamphlets/energy-distribution Harry
Re: OT: Bertrand Russell- In Praise of Idleness
The essay is dated 1932 (at the top), so Russell is referring world war 1. Harry Jed Rothwell wrote: > I agree with Russell for the most part, but this is a serious error: > >> Modern technique has made it possible to diminish enormously the >> amount of labor required to secure the necessaries of life for >> everyone. This was made obvious during the war. At that time all the >> men in the armed forces, and all the men and women engaged in the >> production of munitions, all the men and women engaged in spying, >> war propaganda, or Government offices connected with the war, were >> withdrawn from productive occupations. In spite of this, the general >> level of well-being among unskilled wage-earners on the side of the >> Allies was higher than before or since.
Re: OT: Bertrand Russell- In Praise of Idleness
In a message dated 5/11/2006 10:43:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Lloyd Miller Sez:] Skinner was TOTALITARIAN SCUM! Totally opposed by his own explicit words to freedom and dignity. [Lloyd said] [Lloyd Miller Sez:] Bertrand Russell was environmentalist extremist, anti-industrialist. . . thought the British Empire could be preserved or replaced with World Government through his idiotic ideas. [Lloyd said] B.F. Skinner does debate the totalitarian idea in his Walden II book, where the creator of Walden II, named Frazier, was compared to a fascist totalitarian like Hitler, since he claimed that only a strong willed individual fascist leader could get such small socialistic communities started and keep them running. B.F. Skinner was the professor in Walden II who at first strongly opposed Walden II, and the totalitarian Frasier but in the end decided to leave the University for Walden II. B.F. Skinner is a genius of the best sort since he criticizes his own ideas, and even hints that he is aware of some of their faults. I got the impression from reading Walden II, that B.F. Skinner was not at all like the ruthless scientist that he is portrayed as publicly in many biographies about him, but rather a very kind hearted person who would rather live in a world where people care about each other. Without B.F. Skinner's Walden II book, there would be not formal theoretical and academically supported text book on such ideas as are presented in the book. I can quote a famous psychologist like B.F. Skinner to support new shared community ideas. I will have to read Russell's ideas on world government. I would hope they are much better than the United Nations. I developed world governmental ideas which are not centralized nor nationalized to protect only one majority preferred elite culture, but localized to protect each local minority culture and each individual world wide and to end needless nationalized wars. Much like B.F. Skinner, Bertrand Russell also was a revolutionary genius, who as a perfect example of Plato's Philosopher King should encourage a world government that would end needless nationalistic world wars, and yet protect each minority culture and each individual world wide form the mass majority culture which presently is a communistic third and criminal underworld world culture promoted by the United Nations. Best Regards, Baron Volsung, www.rhfweb.com/baronPresident Thomas D. Clark, Email form: http://www.rhfweb.com/emailform.html, Personal Web Page: http://www.rhfweb.com/personal.htmlArchitectural Engineers, http://www.rhfweb.com/aeStar Haven Community Services, at http://www.rhfweb.com/shRadiation Health Foundation Trust at http://www.rhfweb.com/Baron Volsung, www.rhfweb.com/baronMaking a difference one person at a timeGet informed. Inform others
Re: OT: Bertrand Russell- In Praise of Idleness
I agree with Russell for the most part, but this is a serious error: Modern technique has made it possible to diminish enormously the amount of labor required to secure the necessaries of life for everyone. This was made obvious during the war. At that time all the men in the armed forces, and all the men and women engaged in the production of munitions, all the men and women engaged in spying, war propaganda, or Government offices connected with the war, were withdrawn from productive occupations. In spite of this, the general level of well-being among unskilled wage-earners on the side of the Allies was higher than before or since. That's completely wrong. In the U.K. the general level of well-being was maintained at a high standard because the British were being supported by the efforts of American workers. Their food, tractors, railroad equipment, building equipment, gasoline and much else came from the US. (At first it was paid for out of British reserves, and later it came under lend lease.) Given the fraction of the British population that was diverted into the war effort, if it had not been for the tremendous mountains of material goods coming from the US, the British people would have starved in large numbers, and they would have been living in dire poverty, and freezing to death in winter. The convoys leaving the U.S. were full, and they came back empty. This was the most unbalanced trade in history. Furthermore, the British prolonged the use of many material goods in ways that could not have continued indefinitely. For example they established large clothing exchanges, so that adults and especially small children wore hand-me-downs for the duration. You can stop manufacturing clothing for 5 or 10 years, but eventually clothing will be reduced or rags and people will be naked. The British also ran automobiles and other equipment ragged, and they postponed maintenance. Another five years and there would not have been any working civilian automobiles, refrigerators, or hot water heaters left in the country. Meanwhile, back in the US, the general level of well-being and material prosperity was greatly reduced. Automobile sales, for example, ended abruptly a few weeks after Pearl Harbor. Not a single automobile was sold to any civilian until late 1945. The entire stock of completed automobiles available in January 1942 was held for use by the military. Many other goods and commodities were rationed, such as cigarettes and beef, or they were completely unavailable to civilians, such as zippers and automobile tires. Of course this was entirely justified, but my point is that Russell's arithmetic is wrong. - Jed
Re: OT: Bertrand Russell- In Praise of Idleness
In a message dated 5/11/2006 11:55:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > B.F. Skinner in his book Walden II, shows us how we can> all live comfortably working only part-time. If only some rich> millionaires had built B.F. Skinners Walden II towns 50 years> ago, we would all be living in them today, and working > part-time with plenty of leisure time. Hi Thomas,While it would be nice I don't know how realistic the prediction of working part-time will turn out to be, particularly within my lifetime. Here's a related topic you might enjoy reading:Google: "cohousing"The modern day village concept is alive and well. From what I have read living in a cohousing environment makes a lot of practical sense. One of the best aspects of living within a cohousing environment is that the community, on a regularly chosen schedule, eats together within a large community building. Chores are shared among the community. Not everyone HAS to own their own lawn mower! Every family continues to maintain their own separate homes either in clustered apartment buildings or clustered free-standing independent homes. Privacy is maintained. However, the entire "village" is deliberately designed so that community members have easy access to a centralized communal building where everyone regularly gets together to eat and socialize. I believe Dennmark was one of the pioneering countries to begin constructing entire communities around this concept. Cohousing has caught on in a few places in the U.S. as well.I believe there is an African saying: "It take a village to raise a child." Thanks for the above information. I am glad that others are allowed to get those communities started. The US government will not allow me to get such shared communities started in the US, since I am not part of their third world ape clan, and they target me to prevent me from getting them started. People from Denmark are related to the Lion/Angelic(Bird) clans from the planet Venus according to the royal crest of Denmark being a Cat/Angel crest as Mel Gibson's movie Hamlet depicts, who are not Black African Ape Clans, though some would have us think otherwise. Just like Shakespeare's Hamlet, many of us are being quietly genocided and replaced by communist ape clan impostors from the third world pretending to be Hamlet's father. Most of the Angelic clans and cultures in the United Kingdom that B.F. Skinner belonged to, have been quietly genocided since World War II, since those that won World War II were not Angelic clans but the non-Angelic communist Ape and other Tolkien like Mordor Orcish third world clans. This may be why B.F. Skinner could not get such communities started for his people, though Communist China and African Ape clans could. Best Regards, Baron Volsung, www.rhfweb.com/baronPresident Thomas D. Clark, Email form: http://www.rhfweb.com/emailform.html, Personal Web Page: http://www.rhfweb.com/personal.htmlArchitectural Engineers, http://www.rhfweb.com/aeStar Haven Community Services, at http://www.rhfweb.com/shRadiation Health Foundation Trust at http://www.rhfweb.com/Baron Volsung, www.rhfweb.com/baronMaking a difference one person at a timeGet informed. Inform others
Re: 60,000 psi
You can tell when someone like Grimer is getting close to the truth . . . his emails get "lost" in transit. Posted for Frank: <><><><><><><> I suppose I should really change the name of this thread to a quarter of a million psi - but I rather like the, now historical, sixty thousand. It has overtones of Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - or even of that heroic folly characteristic of my countrymen's courage and incompetence, = "Forward, the Light Brigade!" Was there a man dismay'd? Not tho' the soldier knew Someone had blunder'd: Their's not to make reply, Their's not to reason why, Their's but to do and die: Into the valley of Death Rode the six hundred." And now on with the business of explaining PV^6 = a constant in a way that even my grandchildren will be able to understand it - well, perhaps not all fifty . In the traditional exposition of Boyle's Law for gasses one is presented with a image of a lot of little hard perfectly elastic tiny spherical particles bouncing around inside a container and exerting a pressure on the walls. Halve the volume and double the pressure. Halve it again and it doubles again and so on and so forth which leads inexorably to one of the first bits of physics schoolboys encounter. pressure x volume = a constant Mind you, when I think about it I have grave doubts how many men in the street could answer the question: "What is Boyle's Law" though I am confident every member of this discussion group can. 8-) [I asked my youngest daughter who's a philosophy graduate and she didn't have a clue 8-( ] Now one thing that is never referred to is the aether space between the particles. This is completely ignored and treated as nothingness. As Wiki tells us, "today the aether is considered to be an obsolete scientific theory". What about Casimir? - Well, what about it. In most of the references I have looked up on Casimir they go to extraordinary lengths to refer to it in terms of an internal tension which is pulling the plates together. They religiously avoid in viewing it as an external pressure. That would be scien-tically incorrect since it would imply that space had an atmospheric type property of being able to exert a pressure - a very thin end of a very fat wedge - and the engineers amongst us will all know what one can do with wedges - (which reminds me of a funny story - but I've got to the age where one is never sure if one has told that story before - so I've stuck it on the end.) ;-) Where was I. Ah yes, space. Well, the reality is that space ain't empty at all. It's stuffed full of Beta-atmosphere (inter alia) which is under a humongous pressure. When the particles (the Solid Phase) are far apart the inside and outside B-atm. (the Fluid Phase pressures) balance and can be ignored It is differential Solid Phase pressure which is governs the volume. As the particles get closer together the internal B-atm. is increasingly shielded from the external B-atm. and its pressure drops. In other words the datum for the compression on the Solid Phase is dropping as the internal Fluid Phase expands. In the case of Bridgman's water results, dp = - 6 dv This is because the Fluid Phase is expanding six times faster than the solid phase is contracting. Most of the energy involved in compressing the water is coming from the expansion of the internal Beta-atmosphere. It's a classic servo-mechanism situation. 8-) How can I be so sure this interpretation is correct. Because the very first piece of way-out research (LN 167/FJG/1962) I undertook involved measuring the strength of clays and clays stabilized with cement (inter alia). These gave the same power relations for pressure versus volume as water. In the case of clays however one can measure the negative pressures of the Fluid Phase (pore water) directly and doesn't have to infer them as Robin has done so helpfully. Interestingly enough the research was so far ranging and intruded on so many other people's patches at the Road Research Lab that my director, Sir William Glanville, ordained that NOT FOR PUBLICATION was printed in caps on the cover. That's when I knew it must be good stuff. 8-) Well, it's been, err 44 years since that note came out - but at least I now really understand its significance. Truth certainly does grind exceedingly slow. I'll have to scan the note in and put it on the Beta-atmosphere group site - a bit of a pain cos it's on foolscap sized pages - what the Lab used before we went over to A4 Cheers, Frank Grimer ** Our mechanical engineering lecturer had a strong German accent and one day he was at the board talking about the action of a wedge which he kept pronouncing vedge. Soto voce someone pipes up from the back of the class, "Two veg?" which brings the response "No. Only vun vedge." followed by peals of uncontrolled mirth from the students
Re: OT: Bertrand Russell- In Praise of Idleness
>From ThomasClark123 ... > B.F. Skinner in his book Walden II, shows us how we can > all live comfortably working only part-time. If only some rich > millionaires had built B.F. Skinners Walden II towns 50 years > ago, we would all be living in them today, and working > part-time with plenty of leisure time. Hi Thomas, While it would be nice I don't know how realistic the prediction of working part-time will turn out to be, particularly within my lifetime. Here's a related topic you might enjoy reading: Google: "cohousing" The modern day village concept is alive and well. From what I have read living in a cohousing environment makes a lot of practical sense. One of the best aspects of living within a cohousing environment is that the community, on a regularly chosen schedule, eats together within a large community building. Chores are shared among the community. Not everyone HAS to own their own lawn mower! Every family continues to maintain their own separate homes either in clustered apartment buildings or clustered free-standing independent homes. Privacy is maintained. However, the entire "village" is deliberately designed so that community members have easy access to a centralized communal building where everyone regularly gets together to eat and socialize. I believe Dennmark was one of the pioneering countries to begin constructing entire communities around this concept. Cohousing has caught on in a few places in the U.S. as well. I believe there is an African saying: "It take a village to raise a child." Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: Hybrids Not The Answer - Yet.
Zell, Chris wrote: Consumer Reports claims hybrid gas mileage is 19 mpg lower than the EPA says and are among the worst in mileage exaggeration. http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4023460 But they are the best in mileage! According to the Consumer Reports list on this page! It is obvious why there is such a large difference between actual and measured performance with hybrid cars. They are more sensitive to driving conditions and the driver's skill than regular cars. I usually get 45 to 50 mpg, which is 10 or 15 mpg below the EPA city driving estimate of 60 mpg. However, I have gone for hours at a time getting 75 mpg. The record is 110 mpg for a full tank. No ordinary car will have that range of performance. Given the cost premium over a regular vehicle, it's likely that hybrids are actually wasting more energy thru their entire lifespan, beginning with construction at the factory. The construction at the factory does not take any more energy for a hybrid than any other car. Actually, since hybrid production lines are the newest and best, it probably takes considerably less energy. The other numbers depend upon how much you drive. Assume that Consumer Reports are correct and the Prius gets 45 mpg (which is actually the bare minimum in my experience). The best non-hybrid is the Volkswagen, which gets 34 mpg. None of the others come close. Compare the Volkswagen to the Prius. The average US driver goes ~12,000 miles per year, and it true that at that rate the Prius will not pay for itself compared to the VW. But for anyone who drives a lot more, it will pay. Some numbers: Prius list price: $21,725 VW Jetta: $17,900 Difference: $3,825 Gasoline savings per year at 12,000 miles: 85 gallons, $256 (at $3 per gallon). Payback time: 15 years Payback time if you drive 24,000 miles: 7 years. Look at a Honda Accord, starting MSRP $18,224, 25 mpg (Consumer Reports) Payback time if you drive a Honda Accord 24,000 miles: 2.7 years How about a Ford Crown Victoria LX? MSRP $24,510, 16 mpg. You lose going in, and at 24,000 miles per year every year you pay an extra $2,901. After 7.5 years you have lost enough to pay the entire cost of a Prius! You could have had a free automobile with the money you have wasted on fuel. There may be some smaller, cheaper cars that get 34 mpg like the Volkswagen Jetta. My Geo Metro probably does, and the little bitty cars in Japan do. However, compared to a Jetta or a Prius, the Geo Metro is -- not to put too fine a point on it -- a death trap. It has very light construction and virtually no safety features except for seatbelts. The tires slip on a wet pavement as easily as bicycle tires do. On a level pavement, it will not go about 65 mph with the gas pedal fully depressed, and even at that speed it rattles and shakes like a Model T Ford. It also carries far less baggage, and the people in the back are crammed in. These limitations are not a problem for me, because the Geo Metro is far safer than a motorcycle or bicycle, and I seldom go over 45 mph with it. As for those little bitty Japanese cars, years ago when a friend of mine accidentally dropped the rear wheel off the road into a ditch, he and I picked up the car and put it back. As I said they are much better than motorcycles but you would be crazy to drive one on a US Highway. - Jed
Re: Cold Fusion Trend
At 09:54 AM 5/11/2006, Jones Beene wrote: And how much of it relates to the software package? I think that is usually listed as one word, "ColdFusion." When you search for "cold fusion" with Google, it asks if you mean "coldfusion." No doubt there is some crossover. My speculation about the causes of those blips was based on traffic at LENR-CANR.org. However, I was only guessing. - Jed
'Fire from Ice' the prequel
Speaking of "Fire from ice" and a possible *primordial* solar hydrino population (part of what is known as 'dark matter') the following astronomical observations can give an alternate explanation for the putative excess heat (in the form of EUV) seen by Mills/BLP... not to mention, expose a possible serious error by mainstream cosmologists (one of many). Comet Hyakutake - A decade ago - first observation of an X-RAY and EUV emitting COMET... totally unexpected. http://heasarc.nasa.gov/docs/rosat/hyakutake.html next came Hale-Bopp... same thing. Many more since then, thanks to Chandra (the x-ray telescope) - now we can get pretty good spectral information- so what gives? The strength of the EUV and X-ray emission from Comet Hyakutake took astronomers by surprise, at least 100 times stronger than theory based on a solar wind interaction - but they did not have the captured solar-hydrino in that theory. There are many other theories for this unusual source of high energy radiation - and obviously the x-rays and EUV are "triggered" by our sun's own captured emissions in the comet - but unfortunately that is not 'end-of-story'... Some comets show 1000 times more emitted energy than solar wind could possibly ever provide. ... and there are no clear lines, to prove a hydrino source of the EUV either- so Mills' original accounting cannot be verified ... and most importantly the space craft which we have sent into space show no surprises in capturing high energy radiation from the sun, such as could cause this well-documented 100x or greater anomaly. That is "no" as in zero, nada, zip and it is being emphasized because mainstream astronomers (with blinders firmly attached) want you to believe that this unusual cometary EUV and soft x-ray emission is coming mainly from the sun - not the comet itself. Baloney. The spectrum is fit by a thermal bremsstrahlung model of kT = 0.36 keV - and needless to say, any of our lunar missions would have melted in space if this were intercepted solar energy... and how could they be immune while comets capture it? but even so, that average energy is misleading, as the total 0.10-2.0-keV luminosity is 6 x 10^16 erg/s. Plus, this implies that if pure hydrino lines are present, their total luminosity must be "washed out" to < 10 percent of the continuum luminosity. IOW there are probably no hydrinos *being formed* to cause this huge anomaly in emitted radiation - but that does not mean that there are none there ! No, but it does imply that Mills could have gotten the hydrino part correct and totally 'blown-it' on how the excess energy is realized. And that failure can also relate to his earthbound experiments. The interesting point is this - what if primordial hydrinos are present in the comet-ice and "dirt" (beginning in the Oort cloud where they are born) but these highly shrunken hydrinos are buried in the inner orbitals of carbon and oxygen - two of the major heavier elements found in comets? Ans: This scenario can explain everything elegantly - as the energy which is seen and documented looks like Auger cascades from these elements. If these hydrinos (shrunken to maximum enthalpy) are forced out of their host atoms by a "trigger" (solar wind) - would not an Auger cascade result in a jumble of higher ionization lines with particular ratios, just as is seen? Later comets have shown emission lines at 320, 400, 490, 560, 600, and 670 eV. These can be fit into a number of possible ion species as Auger cascades - but aren't good fits for hydrinos. Not to mention, back on earth - have you noticed how sparse the spectroscopy data for EUV lines is - coming from BLP ??? We should have mounds of these charts, showing very pronounced lines - instead everything presented from them shows the same "wash-out" of lines... (unless the carts have been doctored by the well-known means)... while at the same time this same "washout" could definitely relate to Auger cascades of host catalysts - when the captured hydrinos are jostled about in inner orbitals ... IOW... it is the "catalysts" themselves which are giving us most of the excess energy (not all), independent of new formation of hydrinos in the Mills experiments ... and NOT the result of ongoing hydrino formation as his theory professes (although that ongoing formation may occur at lower levels, giving 10% or so of what is witnessed). The whole scenario is clouded by the fact that some new hydrinos may indeed be forming at the same time - and with effort you can distinguish these lines but they are NOT a major constituent of the spectrum. This problem has been rationalized by Mills in the past as a 'downshifting' due to absorption/re-emission. That is only partly true and in fact it is often more like an upshift in expected spectra. Instead of Mills explanation, consider for a moment that most of the excess energy could be coming from primordia
RE: Cold Fusion Trend
Hi Jones, Yeah, I mentioned the CF software to Robin as well. OTOH, if the software package was dominating the results we might expect more "left" coast action. Washington not being known for it's web2.0 acumen. But I wouldn't take the results very seriously. I was going to ask Jed about the spikes and I see he's already considered them without prompting. The lack of a y axis calibration is very annoying but google is pretty cheap with their quantitative data. One might do better to use their advertizing tools to get more detailed data. Here's one that the Bush admin claims is a national security issue for which they are trying to get all google search queries. Gotta protect those innocent babes. Sure thing, fellas. http://www.google.com/trends?q=porn&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all Looking at the regional information, Frank you dirty dog, what's in your search history (grin). This next one is the real deal, and you can see exactly how Washington was searching for them furiously... They've got to be _somewhere_, why not try google? http://www.google.com/trends?q=wmd&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all K. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Trend And how much of it relates to the software package? The encouraging bit is that them main city for downloads seems to be Washington. - Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Trend > Keith Nagel wrote: > >>http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22cold+fusion%22 >> >>Better bail faster Jed, the boat is sinking. (grin) > > That is a weird graph. There is nothing on Y-axis. > > The 2005 blip may be the effect of the DoE Review, and I will > bet the 2006 blip was caused by Taleyarkhan. > > - Jed > >
Hybrids Not The Answer - Yet.
Consumer Reports claims hybrid gas mileage is 19 mpg lower than the EPA says and are among the worst in mileage exaggeration. http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4023460 Given the cost premium over a regular vehicle, it's likely that hybrids are actually wasting more energy thru their entire lifespan, beginning with construction at the factory. On the other hand, they may permit an easier transition to at least part time electric cars. Se la vie.
Re: Cold Fusion Trend
And how much of it relates to the software package? The encouraging bit is that them main city for downloads seems to be Washington. - Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" Subject: Re: Cold Fusion Trend Keith Nagel wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22cold+fusion%22 Better bail faster Jed, the boat is sinking. (grin) That is a weird graph. There is nothing on Y-axis. The 2005 blip may be the effect of the DoE Review, and I will bet the 2006 blip was caused by Taleyarkhan. - Jed
Re: Cold Fusion Trend
Keith Nagel wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22cold+fusion%22 Better bail faster Jed, the boat is sinking. (grin) That is a weird graph. There is nothing on Y-axis. The 2005 blip may be the effect of the DoE Review, and I will bet the 2006 blip was caused by Taleyarkhan. - Jed
Re: Brown's Gas Generators and Mills' Hydrinos?
Getting difficult to tell the difference. :-) http://pureenergysystems.com/academy/JoeCell2006/ Brown's Gas Generators: http://brownsgas.com/ Randy Mills' Blacklight Power: http://www.Blacklightpower.com/ Argon catalyzed Hydrino Formation in the ICE combustion cylinder? 4-cycle (0.97 cubic inch) Remote Control (RC) model ICE. Easier to use with an electric drill or screwdriver to crank it over, and small Radioshack DC motors as generators for load testing; www.RCHobbies.org Capacitance Divider: http://www.oz.net/~coilgun/theory/capacitors2.htm Power Cycle Analysis Online Calculator :Otto and Diesel Cycles: http://members.aol.com/engware/calc3.htm
Re: Second law out the window?
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 10 May 2006 11:47:46 -0400: Hi, [snip] > > >Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Read the last paragraph. :) >> >> http://www.physorg.com/news65961016.html > >But they're "converting" brownian motion to linear motion by pumping >energy in, in the form of laser light. > >Off hand, it doesn't _sound_ like anything in the system is even >potentially OU. Probably not unless the laser light can reflect eternally off perfectly mirrored surfaces in a loss less optical resonant cavity, which may be the reason they don't expect OU any time soon. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
