Re: Home Power Hybrid
No :)) You seem very keen on perpetual motion systems Harry :) Good link, Terry. These motorized wheels definitely are the right thing to do in a purely electric vehicle. Michel - Original Message - From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid hyou could put an electrostatic motor in a wheel and keep it charged by dragging a chain as the car moves. or no? Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian Electric motors can be coupled directly to wheels, can't they? Yes, and I believe they can even be located inside the wheels. It may have been done already actually. <><><><><><> http://www.tm4.com/eng/tm4transport/moto_wheelmotor/ ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: A Nuclear future for Australia?
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Prime Minister, As well as having Uranium resources among the largest in the World, Australia has about a million square kilometers of desert admirably suited to the collection of solar energy, and pretty much useless for anything else. In fact we could more than supply the entire planet with solar based energy, giving us a new export industry greater than any we currently have. Using dirt cheap paper thin plastic cylindrical Fresnel lenses, with the actual plumbing lying on the surface, and hence requiring no supporting structure, combined with "selective surface" technology, solar could be 10-100 times cheaper than it currently is (guesstimate). That would not just make it competitive with all existing technologies, it would make it cheaper than anything else. Furthermore modular construction can be used for a solar installation, with small segments being brought "on line" as they are completed, whereas a nuclear plant doesn't start producing power until the whole thing is completed. The expertise already exists in Australian universities, particularly UNSW. To top it off, it would vastly improve Australia's "green" image in the World. R. van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Upper Ferntree Gully Vic. The problem that needs to be dealt with is not cheep generation of energy. We have that in spades, wave power could power the planet twice over, wind could power half the world. Roof top solar could power the average city if solar cells replaced tiles on the sunward side of the roof. We don't have a shortage of energy technologies we have a delivery problem. Wind, waves, solar, etc are not continuous but key market driving demands are continuous. So you need to get the energy to market when and where it is needed. That means energy transport and storage! Central Australia, the wild wave battered coasts of Tasmania, or the tidal power resources of the Kimberly coast are all abundant energy sources but their all in the wrong place. We need energy where we live; where our cities stand high. We need to be able to store and ship the stuff. Superconductors where the dream answer of the 1990's but the power density has failed to emerge. Yes superconductors are loss free in theory but to commercialize a 5 thousand mile line from the outback to Asia you must have a system that is cheap relative to the power density and requires little or no refrigeration. The energy of the refrigeration becomes a significant loss if your doing large superconductor systems. Thus in reality its not loss free. The great irony is that we have had a solution to both large scale shipping and storage of energy since the 1800's its compressed air. Modern studies have not been made but a compressed air line across Australia would be possible. Compressors are over 90% efficient. 2 meter diameter steel lined concrete Pipes can be made largely leak free. Workable pressures would be 50 atmospheres. A gale in a pile. Pipelines under the sea are not impossible particularly if your crossing shallow seas [ The Arafura and Banda sea are not that deep. The sea bed from Bali to Malaysia is only a few tens of meters deep and in places a path only 50 meters deep can be mapped.] You must ballast the pipe properly. Yes pneumatic systems have frictional losses but at a few percent per hundred kilometres its better than the losses in high voltage and superconductors. Its also a storage system. The air in the line goes in by day and may be drawn out at night with only a small drop in pressure. Large volumes of air can be diverted into former gas baring strata and just as the gas was retained in the past at several atmospheres the air will be today. One power storage plant using compressed air pushed down an old gas well already exists and is commercial. For some strange reason the world has chosen to ignore the relatively simple physics of pneumatic solutions in favour of other more exotic and expensive system that may promise solutions on some distant day. Plasma fusion, superconductors and magnetic levitation trains are all dreams that have blocked simpler solutions. The electric tracked hovercraft [also called airfilm trains] is a transport solution that would and could deliver 400 kph trains in the 1970's. It was thought that magnetic systems would be silent and hovercraft aren't, so research stopped on the latter but with refrigeration and sonic booms the 'mag levs' are just as loud as airfilm.Yet we still await more expensive magnetic levitation trains.
Re: Home Power Hybrid
Harry let me explain. Energy has to come from outside the system, e.g. from a filling station or from the electric mains socket. Tapping ambient EM radiations would work. If you aren't lucky enough to live at the foot of the Eiffel tower or similar powerful radioemitter you could have photovoltaic panels embedded in the car's body which would tap the ambient light in daytime (plus the streetlight's light in nighttime if you don't have a garage but that's negligible compared to the sun's 1kW/m2 :) Michel - Original Message - From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid No :)) You seem very keen on perpetual motion systems Harry :) Good link, Terry. These motorized wheels definitely are the right thing to do in a purely electric vehicle. Michel - Original Message - From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid hyou could put an electrostatic motor in a wheel and keep it charged by dragging a chain as the car moves. or no? Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian Electric motors can be coupled directly to wheels, can't they? Yes, and I believe they can even be located inside the wheels. It may have been done already actually. <><><><><><> http://www.tm4.com/eng/tm4transport/moto_wheelmotor/ ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Powered ICE
5,112,702 May 1992 "This invention concerns improved processes for the synthesis of H.sub.2 O.sub.2 by means of the electrochemical reduction of oxygen in the presence of acid and halide, preferably bromide, conducted in an electrolytic cell or in the cathode compartment of a fuel cell. The processes described herein permit production of hydrogen peroxide in commercially useful concentrations. " - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 5/19/2006 9:06:07 PM This doesn't take into account that the electrolysis process can produce another 34 lbs of HO-OH plus 2 lbs of H2 at 50 KW-Hr ($5.00) at about $0.15/lb while the electrolysis H2 can be used in the Anthraquinone Process to produce another 34 lbs of HO-OH. Then 2 HO-OH (68 Lbs) > 2 H2O + O2 + 3.6E8 Joules = 70KW-Hrs at 70% ICE efficiency. 3.6E8 joules is equivalent to 3 gallons of gasoline at 115,000 BTU or 1.2E8 joule/gallon.
Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Powered ICE
1 6,712,949 Electrochemical synthesis of hydrogen peroxide 2 6,592,840 Highly pure aqueous hydrogen peroxide solutions, method for producing same and their use 3 6,368,488 Modified platinum substrates for oxygen reduction 4 6,255,009 Combined cycle power generation using controlled hydrogen peroxide decomposition 5 5,645,700 Polymer membrane based electrolytic cell and process for the direct generation of hydrogen peroxide in liquid streams 6 5,378,436 Method and apparatus for producing hydrogen peroxide 7 5,112,702 Electrochemical synthesis of H.sub.2 O.sub.2 - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 5/20/2006 4:49:57 AM Subject: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Powered ICE 5,112,702 May 1992 "This invention concerns improved processes for the synthesis of H.sub.2 O.sub.2 by means of the electrochemical reduction of oxygen in the presence of acid and halide, preferably bromide, conducted in an electrolytic cell or in the cathode compartment of a fuel cell. The processes described herein permit production of hydrogen peroxide in commercially useful concentrations. " - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 5/19/2006 9:06:07 PM of HO-OH. Then 2 HO-OH (68 Lbs) > 2 H2O + O2 + 3.6E8 Joules = 70KW-Hrs at 70% ICE efficiency. 3.6E8 joules is equivalent to 3 gallons of gasoline at 115,000 BTU or 1.2E8 joule/gallon.
Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Powered ICE
To sweeten the pot so to speak, a simultaneous injection of 50% HO-OH and 50% Ethanol (Pilot Fuel) looks interesting. The 10% ethanol "beer" can upgraded to 50% or more onboard using engine coolant or exhaust heat. Same for HO-OH. http://www.public.iastate.edu/~sncherne/formalreport.html " In the next 48 hours the mash is mixed in a fermenter before entering the distiller. After the mash is removed from the fermenter, approximately 10 percent of it becomes ethanol." Bottom Line. Electrolysis-produced Hydrogen Peroxide is a viable means of Hydrogen Production, Storage, and Transport. - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l Sent: 5/20/2006 5:13:25 AM Subject: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide Powered ICE 1 6,712,949 Electrochemical synthesis of hydrogen peroxide 2 6,592,840 Highly pure aqueous hydrogen peroxide solutions, method for producing same and their use 3 6,368,488 Modified platinum substrates for oxygen reduction 4 6,255,009 Combined cycle power generation using controlled hydrogen peroxide decomposition 5 5,645,700 Polymer membrane based electrolytic cell and process for the direct generation of hydrogen peroxide in liquid streams 6 5,378,436 Method and apparatus for producing hydrogen peroxide 7 5,112,702 Electrochemical synthesis of H.sub.2 O.sub.2
Re: A Nuclear future for Australia?
Howdy Robin and Wesley, Australia has the interesting opportunity to perform in the world. For sure, we will return to a simplier way of life if for no other reason than we can't afford the luxury of any more advances in civilization . The advances in battery technology can provide the solution to powering vehicles. Vehicles must become more simple like a 3 wheel battery operated bicycle for transportation and light hauling. Roof top solar powered battery chargers make sense whne you think about it. Presently, crude petroleum is in abundent supply with a forecast of increased production. The devil in the details is the cost of production and the politics. Add the proposed shift by OPEC nations to use Euros in lieu of US dollars as the exchange media and a new twist emerges because recognition of the Euro as the currency means the dollar is cast adrift to float like the Peso. China recognizes this reality. When, not if , this change in currency of choice happens, the US has few options. This eventuality has stymied US energy planning and has and will lead to all sorts of mischief . Australia has the choice to go Nuclear but common sense screams out NO!. A present design Nuke plant has a half life of 50 years at the most and then must be buried in a concrete tomb for 250,000 years because of the steel piping fatigue. There is no practical way to " service" a super radioactive plant from the inside. Every Nuke plant in the US is aging and faces shutdown and burying. Someday our grandchildren will wonder about us and our so called JFK " man on the moon" insanity. Australia has the choice and chance to make some intelligent moves while the opportunity presents itself. Richard
Re: Proper Scientific Refutations
Walter Faxon wrote.. > Clearly the editors of general sciencejournals do not themselves have the expertise to directly criticize themethodology of most CF papers. It's much simpler to rely on theirprevious conclusions. Howdy Walter.. Oh! Were it that simple. I mentioned to Steven Krivit that we are also caught up in a Fraternity feud that makes the Duke U episode kid stuff. Richard
RE: A Nuclear future for Australia?
Robin wrote: > Using dirt cheap paper thin plastic cylindrical Fresnel lenses, > with the actual plumbing lying on the surface, and hence requiring > no supporting structure, combined with "selective surface" > technology, solar could be 10-100 times cheaper than it currently > is (guesstimate). That would not just make it competitive with all > existing technologies, it would make it cheaper than anything > else. You just let me know when someone actually wants to buy miles and miles of "dirt cheap paper thin plastic cylindrical fresnel lenses". I stand ready to make more than anyone could possibly use. M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
Re: Home Power Hybrid
An initial push would be required (perhaps from a batery), but once the car was up to speed the power to maintain the speed would be supplied electrostatically rather than electromagnetically. Harry - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:44 am Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid > Harry let me explain. Energy has to come from outside the system, > e.g. from > a filling station or from the electric mains socket. > > Tapping ambient EM radiations would work. If you aren't lucky > enough to live > at the foot of the Eiffel tower or similar powerful radioemitter > you could > have photovoltaic panels embedded in the car's body which would > tap the > ambient light in daytime (plus the streetlight's light in > nighttime if you > don't have a garage but that's negligible compared to the sun's > 1kW/m2 :) > > Michel > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid > > > > No :)) You seem very keen on perpetual motion systems Harry :) > > > > Good link, Terry. These motorized wheels definitely are the > right thing to > > do in a purely electric vehicle. > > > > Michel > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:31 AM > > Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid > > > > > >> hyou could put an electrostatic motor in a wheel > >> and keep it charged by dragging a chain as the car moves. > >> > >> or no? > >> > >> Harry > >> > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Michel Jullian > >>> > Electric motors can be coupled directly to wheels, can't they? > >>> > >>> Yes, and I believe they can even be located inside the wheels. > It may > >>> have been done already actually. > >>> > >>> <><><><><><> > >>> > >>> http://www.tm4.com/eng/tm4transport/moto_wheelmotor/ > >>> ___ > >>> Try the New Netscape Mail Today! > >>> Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List > >>> http://mail.netscape.com > >>> > >> > >> > > > >
Re: Home Power Hybrid
No I am afraid it wouldn't work, even with an initial push :) This would only work if the car expended no power to maintain it's speed (which is not the case), and if all efficiencies in the system were 100% (which is not the case), otherwise each time you go round the closed power loop you loose power, perpetual motion just doesn't work you know :/ Michel - Original Message - From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid An initial push would be required (perhaps from a batery), but once the car was up to speed the power to maintain the speed would be supplied electrostatically rather than electromagnetically. Harry - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, May 20, 2006 4:44 am Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid Harry let me explain. Energy has to come from outside the system, e.g. from a filling station or from the electric mains socket. Tapping ambient EM radiations would work. If you aren't lucky enough to live at the foot of the Eiffel tower or similar powerful radioemitter you could have photovoltaic panels embedded in the car's body which would tap the ambient light in daytime (plus the streetlight's light in nighttime if you don't have a garage but that's negligible compared to the sun's 1kW/m2 :) Michel - Original Message - From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid > No :)) You seem very keen on perpetual motion systems Harry :) > > Good link, Terry. These motorized wheels definitely are the right thing to > do in a purely electric vehicle. > > Michel > > - Original Message - > From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: Home Power Hybrid > > >> hyou could put an electrostatic motor in a wheel >> and keep it charged by dragging a chain as the car moves. >> >> or no? >> >> Harry >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Michel Jullian >>> Electric motors can be coupled directly to wheels, can't they? >>> >>> Yes, and I believe they can even be located inside the wheels. It may >>> have been done already actually. >>> >>> <><><><><><> >>> >>> http://www.tm4.com/eng/tm4transport/moto_wheelmotor/ >>> ___ >>> Try the New Netscape Mail Today! >>> Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List >>> http://mail.netscape.com >>> >> >> >
Transubstantiation
Grimer wrote: At 09:03 pm 19/05/2006 -0700, you wrote: Forward from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Akira Kawasaki) [Original Message] From: What's New <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1. DA VINCI CODE: CARDINALS COMPLAIN THAT THE NOVEL IS FICTION. Aren't they always? Cardinal Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, expressed shock this week at the Da Vinci Code promotion: "It had nothing to do with the truth." Like "transubstantiation" is the truth? ... That's right Porkie. Transubstantiation is the Truth. 8-) Excellent post Frank! I've been watching Fr. John Corappi on EWTN, I just ignore my differences with Catholicism and focus on what we agree on, the inerrorancy of the Bible. Porkie, eh, I thought Parksie was humorous, but you've done me one better. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: HO-OH Boy, Choices
2 H2O (liquid) + O2 (gas) + energy <-> 2 HO-OH (liquid) HO-OH (liquid) + energy <-> 2 OH (gas) 2 H2O <> H3O + + OH- (Freebie) H3O+ + O2 + OH -<-> 2 HO-OH (Almost Freebie?) HOO - H Boy. :-)
Hydrino - orgone again
Hi, According to Mills, the ionization energy of H[n=1/23] is 19.26 eV. For H[n=1/24] this is only 0.6945 eV, and for H[n=1/25] there is no longer a hydride possible. Now suppose that as Jones has suggested, hydrinos shrink in the Solar atmosphere over geologic time, and get carried to the Earth on the Solar wind. hydrinohydride being a negative ion might be loosely attached to the positive end of a polar water molecule high in the atmosphere, and come down as rain water. Because the ionization energy of H[n=1/24] is less than that of water, it could be electrolyzed at a lower voltage than water, and hence extracted as pure H[n=1/24], without any other hydrinos (or even H2 or O2) being mixed in (hence the claims that "this is not electrolysis"). Also, because of the low ionization energy it would probably pass easily through metals, picking up and losing an electron continually, just as happens to metal atoms themselves. However because it is extremely small, it could easily wander through the interstitial spaces in a metal lattice during the moments that it is in its neutral state. Even hydrogen atoms can manage this with some metals, and H[n=1/24]hydride is both smaller and more easily ionized than H. Once H[n=1/24] ends up in a car engine, and comes in contact with either Ar+ or O++ in the plasma created by the spark, it can be catalyzed to H[n=1/25] or H[n=1/26] releasing 8485 eV or 9178 eV respectively during the very first shrinkage reaction. The released energy serves to ionize more Ar and O creating more catalyst ions, further catalyzing shrinkage. Because the electrolysis process actually absorbs energy with little or no hydrino shrinkage taking place, energy is not liberated in the electrolysis cell at all, and the soft vacuum causes it to cool. These well shrunken hydrinos don't last long in the environment, and so are best "harvested" directly from a rain storm during and shortly after the Solar wind from Solar flares or CMEs has impinged on the Earth's atmosphere. (Hence the various anecdotal claims that "it's the water that matters"). This also explains the source of purported excess power reported by the Graneau's. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
