RE: [Vo]: Coconut shell composition?

2006-12-11 Thread Michael Foster

Jed wrote:

> (Coconut) shells are:

> Lignin 36%
> Cellulose 53%

> That's 89%. What else?

Likely some higher molecular weight insoluble polyphenols and maybe
some traces of amino acids.  The soluble polyphenols are in the
oil, I believe.

Charcoal from various plants probably has different properties
because of the structure and the possiblity of different carbon
allotropes.  Anyone who has made serious gunpowder knows which
plants make the best charcoal for that purpose.

M. 


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[Vo]: Re: Going Van de Graaff

2006-12-11 Thread Michael Foster

Hello Fred,

Unless I'm missing something, the setup you describe is a self-charging 
assymetrical capacitor, an electric dipole. The end of the dipole closest 
to the earth will be more strongly attracted to it, resulting in an apparent 
weight gain. The long separation between the Van de Graaff electrode and 
foil at the base would make the effect most pronounced.

Besides Fred, yer a spendthift. I did essentially the same experiment for 
about 0.1% of what you would spend, not counting the balance which I already 
own.

Nuclear remediation?  Let us know, itch or no.

M.

- Original Message - 
From: Frederick Sparber 
Sent: 12/7/2006 5:31:26 AM 
Subject: Re: Going Van de Graaff


In order to get around working with potentially lethal 200,000 volt 
power supplies I ordered a 200 KV Van de Graaff from 
Edmunds Scientific, 

http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3070264

An Acculab VIC 10 Kg (+/- 1.0 gram res) 
digital scale at a discount store, 

http://www.balances.com/

and a 1.0 lb 400 watt Inverter to 
work off 8 "D batteries"from InvertersRus, 

http://www.invertersrus.com/

and heavy gauge aluminum 
foil from the grocery store to use off the roll as needed, 
on top of the Styrofoam in place of earth ground.

This way using Styrofoam cups, packing scraps, sheets-blocks 
the Van de Graaff can be totally isolated-floated above ground 
on the Acculab, or it can be floated and the experiments floated 
on top of the scale. The discharge wand would be handy, but 
I didn't order it yet.

http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3032272

With a 17.15 cm diameter sphere the capacitance is 4(pi)eo*0.01715/2 
= 9.54E-13 farads and can store 1/2 C*V^2 = 0.02 joules at 200 KV 
which is adequate for looking at weight loss of capacitors or 
half-life effects on radioisotopes with high fields.

For less than $450.00 USD I'm ready to roll when the itch strikes.

Fred


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Re: [Vo]: China's Neodymium monopoly is being felt

2006-12-11 Thread OrionWorks
...

> Wars have been fought over that kind of monopolistic
> activity.  The Japanese allegedly hit us at Pearl in
> the last century after we denied them sale of scrap
> iron needed by them;  and the Germans were forced to
> use flammable hydrogen for the dirigible 'Hindenburg'
> with disastrous results simply because we had refused
> to sell them helium gas whose supply we then 
> controlled.
> 
> Stsnding Bear
> 

Don't forget what Blutarski said in Animal House:

"Remember when the Germans bombed Perl Harbor!"

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com



Re: [Vo]: Coconut shell composition?

2006-12-11 Thread Jones Beene
--- Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
 
> ... "barking up the wrong tree". It may not be the
actual substances that are present so much as the
physical structure that is important.

Structure could be important -- as well as isotope
enrichment.

Charcoal, almost by definition is carbon with
impurities, and one of those which will be enriched is
the heavy isotope of oxygen --- which is naturally
enriched in all plant life, due to osmotic processes.

I mention this only because in all of the carbon to
iron transmutation phenomena - which Gene Mallove was
enamored with - the one nuclear reaction which is
always mentioned involves 18O and carbon transmuting
to iron. Les Case is apparently going on a different
route but who knows ??

Here is the site of an experimenter who has replicated
iron transmutation (as have many including Bockris):

http://www.blazelabs.com/n-transmut.asp

Jones



Re: [Vo]: China's Neodymium monopoly is being felt

2006-12-11 Thread Standing Bear
On Friday 01 December 2006 17:51, OrionWorks wrote:
> FYI,
>
> It's my understanding that the Chinese government has recently increased
> the price of raw materials to all magnet manufacturers by 60%. This
> presumably includes the rare-earth material, NEODYMIUM.
>
> As previously mentioned on this discussion group the Chinese government
> quietly and methodically went about the business of purchasing all the
> mining operations for these kinds of rare-earth elements everywhere on the
> planet. They now own the whole shebang - everything. They maintain a total
> monopoly on these kinds of rare-earth supplies.
>
> And whadaya know! Suddenly they've decided to increase prices by 60
> percent.
>
> I maintain a suspicion that rare earth materials, particularly Neodymium,
> are going to start playing an ever increasing vital role in the development
> of this planet's AE resources. China stands to make a tidy profit from
> their shrewd and complete takeover of this market.
>
> And the rest of us will be paying, literally, for our lack of foresight.
>
> Regards,
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com

Wars have been fought over that kind of monopolistic activity.  The Japanese 
allegedly hit us at Pearl in the last century after we denied them sale of 
scrap iron needed by them;  and the Germans were forced to use flammable 
hydrogen for the dirigible 'Hindenburg' with disastrous results simply 
because we had refused to sell them helium gas whose supply we then 
controlled.

Stsnding Bear



Re: [Vo]: Mars Wet

2006-12-11 Thread Standing Bear
On Thursday 07 December 2006 21:19, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:44:15 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>
> >Gnorts, Vorts!
> >
> >I'm sure that, by now, all have heard the news.  Mars is all wet.  But,
> > JIC:
> >
> >http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/12/061206-mars-water.html
> >
> >Terry
> >
> >Life is Ubiquitous
>
> The same types of things can be seen on the Moon, where there is no water,
> and not even any atmosphere. I suspect they are dust "landslides".
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/
>
> Competition provides the motivation,
> Cooperation provides the means.

This is going to get like Chekhov's 'Cherry Orchard'.  Everybody is talking 
past each other for their own endsor jobs.  Water will be found and 
incontrovertably proved when it is brought back or sampled by us.  Until 
then it is like 'bigfoot'.  Or better like random intermittant phenomena not
unlike a bad connection in equipment.  Now you see it now you don't.  
Personally I lean to the idea that we are not unique in the universe, and 
physical laws governing us do so for others as well.  Exo geoligical 
processes seem earthlike on not only Mars but Titan as well.  Branching 
dendritic stream passagways seem the same everywhere no matter what
the fluid, water or ethanol or methane transported.  By the same token, 
organic material older than our central star was found in a meteorite 
uncontaminated by terrestrial sources.  Life in all likelyhood is panspermaic 
by its very nature, and we are probably nothing special.  All else is ego and 
religion or both. Personally I would be happy even if we just found simple 
single celled life in the deepest reaches of the martian deep equatorial 
canyons.

Standing Bear



Re: [Vo]: Coconut shell composition?

2006-12-11 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:32:16 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>Thinking about the Case experiment . . . Does anyone know what 
>charcoal made from coconut shell might include? Mainly carbon, of 
>course, but what other elements?
>
>This source:
>
>http://www.fao.org/docrep/X0451E/X0451e11.htm
>
>Says that shells are:
>
>Lignin 36%
>Cellulose 53%

These imply Hydrogen, Oxygen, and Carbon. However all organic material also
contains Nitrogen and Phosphorous, and in  small amount lots of other chemicals,
e.g. Sodium, Potassium, Iron, Copper, Magnesium, Calcium, etc. etc.

In short the only real way to find out is to do an analysis of the actual
material used (the more so because it will to some extent depend on what was in
the water when the tree was growing).

However you may be "barking up the wrong tree". It may not be the actual
substances that are present so much as the physical structure that is important.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/

Competition provides the motivation,
Cooperation provides the means.



[Vo]: Coconut shell composition?

2006-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Thinking about the Case experiment . . . Does anyone know what 
charcoal made from coconut shell might include? Mainly carbon, of 
course, but what other elements?


This source:

http://www.fao.org/docrep/X0451E/X0451e11.htm

Says that shells are:

Lignin 36%
Cellulose 53%

That's 89%. What else?

- Jed




[Vo]: A new model system of nanostructures

2006-12-11 Thread DonW
http://www.pnl.gov/breakthroughs/current/documents/breakthroughs.pdf

A new model system of nanostructures has been synthesized and could lead to
control of chemical transformations critical for enhancing the nation's
energy future. This new nanostructure model system, developed by researchers
at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, the University of Texas-Austin
(UT) and Washington State University, offers insights into the structure and
reaction mechanism of metal oxides. 

Metal oxides are important catalysts for producing fuels for transportation
and value-added chemicals. In the new model system, nanoclusters composed of
cyclic tungsten trioxide line up molecule-by-molecule on a titanium dioxide
platform. One tungsten atom from each cluster is raised slightly, holding
forth the potential to execute catalytic reactions-a striking layer. This
unique, uniform feature may enable scientists to predict with increased
accuracy and control the reactions that will occur, thereby enhancing the
effectiveness of catalytic reactions. 

The researchers employed specialized equipment at the Environmental
Molecular Sciences Laboratory, a DOE user facility on the PNNL campus, to
prepare and characterize the platform as well as the clusters. Using a
unique approach that changed the tungsten oxide directly from a solid to a
gas, the researchers successfully stabilized the molecular rings-or
"trimers"-of tungsten on the titanium platform. The new nanostructure model
system was developed as part of the Early Transition Metals as Catalysts
project at PNNL, supported by the DOE Office of Basic Energy Sciences,
Chemical Sciences, Geosciences, and Biosciences Division. . difference from
commercial catalysts. 

Commercial catalysts vary in size and chemical composition, making it
difficult to understand or predict the reactions taking place at the
molecular level. In the new model, all the nanoclusters are the same size,
evenly dispersed, and oriented in one of two directions on the titanium
oxide crystal Uniform nano-clusters signal improved catalysts A scanning
tunneling microscope image (left) shows nano-clusters deposited on a
titanium dioxide platform with consistent orientation of the atoms (right).
The dark triangle indicates the center of the tungsten trioxide molecular
ring on the platform; the brighter side depicts the raised atom.




Re: [Vo]: PNL study on plug in hybrids shows there is enough generating capacity

2006-12-11 Thread John Berry

On 12/12/06, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Researchers at DOE's Pacific Northwest National
Laboratory also evaluated the impact of plug-in
hybrid electric vehicles, or PHEVs, on foreign
oil imports, the environment, electric utilities and the consumer. . . .



Then Bush calculated it against his wallet.,.


Re: [Vo]: Re: Flatulence forces emergency landing

2006-12-11 Thread Standing Bear
On Wednesday 06 December 2006 06:52, Frederick Sparber wrote:
> Makes scents,doesn't it?
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16064706/

This story was also picked up on 'The Register' ...'theregister.co.uk..  Shows 
that the 'hoamland seeekurity people have wa too much time on their 
hands.  And I might add way too many people to have to justify.  Time for a
'RIF' in old fashioned civil service parlance.

Now my stepson has resolved never to fly, at least in the United States or 
anywhere on a US Flagged carrier.  He is a legendary farter.  Once farted so
loud while we were all on a family camping trip that a fisherman on the shore
of a lake about 300 feet away heard it and yelled out.  Stepson's wife's 
footsteps hotfooting away to hide behind the camper were also heard.  Afraid
that our local gestapo would probably consider him the most dangerous hombre
since Redd Foxx said in his night club act what Lincoln did in his stovepipe 
hat.

Standing Bear




[Vo]: PNL study on plug in hybrids shows there is enough generating capacity

2006-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell

See:

http://www.pnl.gov/news/release.asp?id=204


Mileage from megawatts: Study finds enough 
electric capacity to "fill up" plug-in vehicles across much of the nation


RICHLAND, Wash. – If all the cars and light 
trucks in the nation switched from oil to 
electrons, idle capacity in the existing electric 
power system could generate most of the 
electricity consumed by plug-in hybrid electric 
vehicles. A new study for the Department of 
Energy finds that "off-peak" electricity 
production and transmission capacity could fuel 
84 percent of the country's 220 million vehicles 
if they were plug-in hybrid electrics.


Researchers at DOE's Pacific Northwest National 
Laboratory also evaluated the impact of plug-in 
hybrid electric vehicles, or PHEVs, on foreign 
oil imports, the environment, electric utilities and the consumer. . . .