Re: [Vo]:Negre & Graneau
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:32:00 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMELbK8zDQ [snip] Initially the air in the spark gap in non-conducting, and the spark gap is a very large resistance. So the voltage over the spark gap follows the voltage on the output of the coil as it rises. During this phase, the diode is connected such as to be non-conducting. However when the breakdown voltage is reached, and a plasma starts to form in the spark gap, everything changes. The resistance of the spark (plasma) suddenly drops to a fraction of an ohm, and without the diode, the current would be limited by the ability of the coil to supply it. This aint much (because coils don't like their current changing rapidly). However when the diode is present, and the plasma is shorting out the spark gap, the "high" voltage side of the coil is effectively shorted to ground through the plasma, hence the voltage at that point is actually quite low (nearly ground voltage). This means that the diode is now free to conduct current from the "low" voltage positive side of the circuit to ground through the plasma of the spark gap. If the output side of the low voltage circuit has a decent electrolytic cap. across it, then this can discharge through the diode and the plasma, resulting in a lot of energy being dumped into the plasma very rapidly. That's why the diode makes such a difference (and it is by far the largest difference to the circuit). The water vapor may just provide extra ions, reducing the resistance of the plasma, or there may be an additional kick due to e.g. Hydrino formation, but this is by no means certain. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[Vo]:Negre & Graneau
What happens if/when the compressed-air for the Negre-Tata MiniCat purposely has a high initial moisture content, and also incorporates an enhanced sparking system - which is applied to the wet-air in the engine (as if it were fuel)? Nothing of any consequence you say? One of these days, someone will find out for sure - if Negre has not already discovered it. This video goes part of the way. Graneau's water-arc and overunity claim have been discussed here for years, and now it seems someone is finally doing something about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMELbK8zDQ This video is tedious at first, but bear with it till he sprays water on the plug in just the right amount and imagine that explosion as 'additive' to the rapid expansion of double phase-change. Of course, energy was expended for the spark - and we do not yet know the net energy balance, but... ... maybe, just maybe this is leading towards the breakthrough we have all been waiting for... AFIK - no one has ever debunked Graneau convincingly? Jones
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
Perhaps Purdue University would volunteer some academians to fill the slots. Richard - Original Message - From: "Steven Krivit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now The delay has nothing to do with the subject of the conference. All academic visitors from Russia are delayed these days. - Jed Jed, A nonphysicist academic has reported to me that they had no problem getting their visa. Steve No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
- Original Message - From: "Steven Krivit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now The delay has nothing to do with the subject of the conference. All academic visitors from Russia are delayed these days. - Jed Jed, A nonphysicist academic has reported to me that they had no problem getting their visa. Steve No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
The delay has nothing to do with the subject of the conference. All academic visitors from Russia are delayed these days. - Jed Jed, A nonphysicist academic has reported to me that they had no problem getting their visa. Steve
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
Jed, You are an eloquent, entertaining and colorful writer. Steve At 01:29 PM 8/3/2008 -0400, you wrote: I wrote: You are blaming this delay on the participants? Are you out of your mind? No is to blame for the delay. Let me amend that. While for the most part the delay is unavoidable . . . Many authors submitted just at the deadline or right after it, and that delayed things. Several authors sent emergency changes after the deadline, which I should have ignored. I am still waiting for two or three authors to respond to e-mails asking for more information, such as which of the many institutions (or the same institution spelled different ways) they listed in different abstracts is actually their home institution. This is delaying thing. I will probably use my imagination and fill in the blanks for them, which may cause mistakes and petty resentment. And, finally, as I mentioned, several drama queens and know-it-all nitwits such as Krivit have circulated draft copies of documents causing confusion and delay, and asked inane questions, such as whether I "have been authorized to speak as a proxy for Nagel and/or Melich" and they have demanded that we conjure up extra hours in the 24-hour day, which would require slowing down the spin of the earth, I suppose. I wasted valuable time responding to these questions & demands. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
I wrote: You are blaming this delay on the participants? Are you out of your mind? No is to blame for the delay. Let me amend that. While for the most part the delay is unavoidable . . . Many authors submitted just at the deadline or right after it, and that delayed things. Several authors sent emergency changes after the deadline, which I should have ignored. I am still waiting for two or three authors to respond to e-mails asking for more information, such as which of the many institutions (or the same institution spelled different ways) they listed in different abstracts is actually their home institution. This is delaying thing. I will probably use my imagination and fill in the blanks for them, which may cause mistakes and petty resentment. And, finally, as I mentioned, several drama queens and know-it-all nitwits such as Krivit have circulated draft copies of documents causing confusion and delay, and asked inane questions, such as whether I "have been authorized to speak as a proxy for Nagel and/or Melich" and they have demanded that we conjure up extra hours in the 24-hour day, which would require slowing down the spin of the earth, I suppose. I wasted valuable time responding to these questions & demands. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
Steven Krivit wrote: The ICCF-14 abstracts are still secret and/or incomplete. Conference starts in 8 days. Got to be the most incompetent/idiotic way of running a conference I've ever seen. You're welcome. It is regrettable that the abstracts are not fully complete, but it is not important. At most conferences in the past the agenda and book of abstracts was not distributed until attendees arrived at the venue. At least in this case we have been able to circulate draft copies of the agenda by e-mail so that people can tell us they will not be available on certain days, with a co-author will be presenting, or what have you. It is because we have done this that it is taking so much longer -- and causing more work for Nagel, Melich and I. Certain people, including Krivit, have circulated incomplete bits and pieces of the draft copy of the agenda to the general public. This is causing confusion, more headaches for us, and more delays. So, thanks, Steve for slowing thing down even more than they need to be, and upsetting people for no reason. You are blaming this delay on the participants? Are you out of your mind? No is to blame for the delay. As Storms pointed out, this partly caused by the difficulty some Russian participants have getting visas these days. Horace Heffner wrote: Difficulty obtaining visas for a conference on a fully discredited fringe subject seems to me to be extremely news worthy. 8^) The delay has nothing to do with the subject of the conference. All academic visitors from Russia are delayed these days. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
Good point, Horace. Most people preregester before the details of the talks are available in any case. Nevertheless, although I also would like the information sooner, it is very difficult these days to have foreigners attend any conference in the US. The delay that this problem produces should not be blamed on the organizers. It is better taken up with the Bush administration. Regards, Ed Horace Heffner wrote: On Aug 3, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Steve, I suggest you consider that the visa problems as well as other issues might be a factor in not having a final agenda. A draft agenda has been sent to the speakers for their input. Would you rather have an agenda that is incomplete or has to be seriously changed, as was the case with the APS meeting, or one that was complete. In any case, what importance do you find in having a list of speakers at this time. You are going to the conference in any case. The final list will be available when you register. Ed Some interested folks might not have made reservations. Before spending thousands of dollars to attend a conference it seems to me important to have at least a tentative clue as to what might be presented, or at least what is being attempted to be presented. An tentative set of abstracts published with caveats is better than none. I think the actual schedule is comparatively unimportant for those who have an interest in attending the whole conference. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
On Aug 3, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Steve, I suggest you consider that the visa problems as well as other issues might be a factor in not having a final agenda. A draft agenda has been sent to the speakers for their input. Would you rather have an agenda that is incomplete or has to be seriously changed, as was the case with the APS meeting, or one that was complete. In any case, what importance do you find in having a list of speakers at this time. You are going to the conference in any case. The final list will be available when you register. Ed Some interested folks might not have made reservations. Before spending thousands of dollars to attend a conference it seems to me important to have at least a tentative clue as to what might be presented, or at least what is being attempted to be presented. An tentative set of abstracts published with caveats is better than none. I think the actual schedule is comparatively unimportant for those who have an interest in attending the whole conference. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Beaudette book uploaded
On Aug 3, 2008, at 4:27 AM, R C Macaulay wrote: There is a great deal of interest in this conference by both distractors and supporters. The "international component" is obvious but yet to be fully defined. Richard The "international component" was just defined by Ed as difficulty getting visas. On Aug 3, 2008, at 4:38 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: "Steve, I suggest you consider that the visa problems as well as other issues might be a factor in not having a final agenda." I expect Steve Krivit and others might be able to more fully define the international issues for you. Difficulty obtaining visas for a conference on a fully discredited fringe subject seems to me to be extremely news worthy. 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-14 agenda will be uploaded real soon now
Steve, I suggest you consider that the visa problems as well as other issues might be a factor in not having a final agenda. A draft agenda has been sent to the speakers for their input. Would you rather have an agenda that is incomplete or has to be seriously changed, as was the case with the APS meeting, or one that was complete. In any case, what importance do you find in having a list of speakers at this time. You are going to the conference in any case. The final list will be available when you register. Ed Steven Krivit wrote: The ICCF-14 organizers have been busting their butts for a week or more, trying to pin down the agenda. They were supposed to be finished days ago, but there are many last minute changes and cancellations. I am sorry to say that in many cases it is because so many participants are old and in bad health, or broke. We have a speaker who has to go in for surgery that week, and others have to cancel or make special arrangements. They hope to wrap up the agenda today and upload it to ICCF-14.org - Jed Jed, You are blaming this delay on the participants? Are you out of your mind? S
Re: [Vo]:Beaudette book uploaded
There is a great deal of interest in this conference by both distractors and supporters. The "international component" is obvious but yet to be fully defined. Richard The ICCF-14 abstracts are still secret and/or incomplete. Conference starts in 8 days. Got to be the most incompetent/idiotic way of running a conference I've ever seen. s I expect there is a lot that does not yet meet the eye about the delay and reworking, maybe even a significant international incident. I'll try to be patient waiting for news ... mainly because I have no other choice! 8^) H
