Re: [Vo]:Climate Change

2009-02-16 Thread Nick Palmer

Thomas Malloy wrote:

We conservatives question Liberal Orthodoxy, of which Scientific
Orthodoxy is an example. You've heard of Parksie's antics. Jed and Ed
agree with me on this when ox, LENR, is being gored.

Comparing AGW with cold fusion is rather different. With LENR-CANR the 
majority of scientists probably do not believe in it because they swallowed 
the party line a long time ago before there were many published papers. They 
largely got their initial impression from Press coverage. They probably 
still take their lead from people like Parks and sources like Nature. Within 
the field of scientists working on cold fusion etc, there is a strong 
consensus that it is real in exactly the same way that there is a very 
strong consensus among the scientists working on global warming that it is 
happening and that humans are mostly responsible and the chances are that it 
will be uncomfortable at best with a small chance that it may be 
catastrophic but that nobody can know for sure until we have run the 
experiment (by which time it may be too late).


Scientists not working in the CF field who have not studied the papers and 
take their attitude from people like Parks (who repeats false beliefs and 
attitudes and are seemingly incorrigible) are clearly in the majority but 
this does not mean that their views are worth anything.  In exactly the same 
way, thousands of scientists not working in the field of climate change, 
who were not familiar with the thousands of papers and decades of work 
behind them, signed the Oregon petition.  This tactic is one of the 
fundamental deceits of the deniers (in this case S. Fred Singer) who 
purposefully confuse the public by misrepresenting majority as being the 
same as consensus.  Extending the analogy, if the majority of scientists had 
to express an opinion on cold fusion, they would probably say that it was 
disproved in 1989 because that's all they know but the consensus of 
scientists in the field would almost universally say that it is real.  The 
situation with global warming is that the consensus view of scientists in 
the field is that AGW is real - there is a difference from the cold fusion 
situation though - the majority of scientists not working in the climate 
field would probably also go along with the consensus view because they 
would take their lead from the policy statements of every major scientific 
organization in the world that AGW is real.



As for insanity, it's clear to us that Liberalism is a form of
mental illness. It is a set of ideas which has failed every time that it
has been tried. It ignores physical reality. Like the fact that Radical
Islam intends to take over the government and impose Sharia Law. Like
economic laws, the government can't spend the country rich. Now the
Porkulus (economic stimulus) package could work in theory, but it never
has worked in practice.

I've seen this claim of so-called liberal mental illness on some barking mad 
neo-con websites. Just think of the situation of the person in a mental 
hospital who says they are the only sane one and everyone else outside is 
mad - who is closer to the truth? Similarly with this neo-con claim. Bear in 
mind that the forthcoming global economic chaos was purely and simply caused 
by insufficiently  finance using greed is good methodologies. I am sure 
that the neo-con libertarian viewpoint supported those ideas more than the 
liberals. BTW,  liberal and conservative mean very different things in 
Europe, particularly in Britain, compared to their US meanings.



If I were to assert that a
wristwatch resulted as a result of random processes, (Jed) would never
accept that. However, the essence of Darwinian ideas is that living
organisms resulted from random chance ... Best of all, it fixes itself. 
IMHO, this is the

informational equivalent of reversing the second law of thermodynamics.

Not really, the cell fixes itself by increasing the amount of entropy 
(disorder) in the Universe by more than the amount of entropy it reverses by 
fixing itself. It uses energy to run up the escalator to get higher but 
always uses more energy than it ends up gaining. If you warm yourself up by 
setting a fire your personal entropy decreases but the entropy of the whole 
system always decreases.



The Liberals delight in cultural degeneration, of which Springer is not
only a classic example, but a celebration. Conservative Talk is banned
in Europe of course.

Ridiculous distortion. Lies and propaganda tending to increase hate crimes 
is rightly legislated against over here. Some Yanks have got very strange 
and often dangerous ideas about what the ideas of free speech and freedom of 
action should allow.




The primary driver of atmospheric temperature is the Sun. It was producing 
more energy during the period

of maximum sun spot activity

True but irrelevant - a red herring. The amount of the recent observed 
global warming, that can be attributed to the sun's tiny increase in 

Re: [Vo]:OT: Economic long cycles

2009-02-16 Thread grok
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 I sure have been reading a lot about ole Darwin lately. Seems he's got
 a handle on how things got started... Does anybody know if he's still
 hanging around wiith his drinking buddies back in London.. maybe they
 could offer some evolutionary clues on economics, cuz we sure need to
 know more about money and jobs than we do about how a dinasour turned
 into a bird while nobody was looking with a cell phone camera.  Richard

Karl Marx wanted to dedicate Capital (1867. i.e. Das Kapital) to
Darwin, but Darwin wouldn't have any of that. 
;P


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Re: [Vo]:leave my poor LEGOs out of this!!

2009-02-16 Thread Terry Blanton
Yep, Robert Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land.  Also mentioned in
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

Terry

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:33 PM, thomas malloy temall...@usfamily.net wrote:
 OrionWorks wrote:

 From Terry:



 Watch the spin and you will see a beat frequency between the camera


 TNSTAAFL

 Yup, I noticed that too, bro. Especially in the beginning. However, in
 the last segment the wheel RPM appeared (at least to me) to have
 stabilized somewhat. Perhaps that was an optical illusion.

 BTW: TNSTAAFL: Please translate.


 There is no such thing as a free lunch



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Re: [Vo]:OT: Economic long cycles

2009-02-16 Thread R C Macaulay

Hey Grok,
You're sending mixed messages. Not sure if you're confessing or advocating.
Richard
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I sure have been reading a lot about ole Darwin lately. Seems he's got
a handle on how things got started... Does anybody know if he's still
hanging around wiith his drinking buddies back in London.. maybe they
could offer some evolutionary clues on economics, cuz we sure need to
know more about money and jobs than we do about how a dinasour turned
into a bird while nobody was looking with a cell phone camera.  Richard


Karl Marx wanted to dedicate Capital (1867. i.e. Das Kapital) to
Darwin, but Darwin wouldn't have any of that. 
;P



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[VO]: Algae updates from Oilgae site

2009-02-16 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Vorts,

http://www.oilgae.com/ref/report/digest/digest.html

For more news items and updates, visit our blog @ 
 http://www.oilgae.com/blog and our forum @ http://www.oilgae.com/forum

Richard

Re: [Vo]:OT: Economic long cycles

2009-02-16 Thread grok
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As the smoke cleared, R C Macaulay walha...@cvctx.com
mounted the barricade and roared out:

 Hey Grok,
 You're sending mixed messages. Not sure if you're confessing or
 advocating.
 Richard

You're just making an unwarranted assumption, komrad. 
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