Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Harvey Norris
 
> You may be highly disappointed running at 1.4
> volts/cell.  
Well aware of all the limitations involved here, the use of a variac to try the 
schemes from the power grid ect.  I have done all of these things before. A 
simple comparison here is apt however. A typical industrial size browns gas 
torch MUST use at least a 220 VAC grid power source. I have a 5 hp 220 VAC 
input AC motor that can rotate at 3450 rpm or so. There is no such thing as a 
120 VAC single phase 5 hp motor, or electrical engine, but it can be done at 
twice the  input voltage. The residential electrical consumer is also limited 
from the higher efficiency available with three phase motors. So it should be 
simple to see that with a 10 hp gasoline input to the power device, a single 
phase power grid can barely compete. even at 220 VAC input. We are not 
concerned with efficiency here, only the volume of power necessary to create 
the pressure of hydroxy flame necessary to power a torch. This is different 
from the automotive combustion engine enhancement
 brought upon by use of electrolysis gases introduced into the combustion 
chambers; here I am speaking of an easy more practical way of creating a 
situation where the sole output is the browns gas torch itself compared to how 
it can be procured by wall grid electrical means vs independent gas engine 
driven permanent magnet generator means.
Sincerely HDN



Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner


On Sep 26, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Harvey Norris wrote:


Because the (car) alternator has its field regulated, it is  
designed to constantly produce 12 or 13 volts, probably even at the  
lowest rpm available to it by idle of the automobile.
The PMG site however claims that high amperage extraction at low  
rpms must be avoided as it will overheat the stator windings. The  
one I am purchasing will be used for a small Brown's gas torch;  
driven by a 10 hp lawnmower engine. What this means is that the  
generator that developes higher voltage at higher rpms will have a  
load that "kicks in" only after a certain rpm developes. This is to  
be negotiated by the number of cells in series that the unit  
employs. It would seem then that my variable speed drive will come  
in very handy here. As noted with 40 cells in series, the  
thermoneutral electrolysis point only being 1.4 volts/cell, this  
implies that the load should kick in at 56 volts from the  
generator, which is probably just under mid range engine rpm for an  
automotive application.

HDN


You may be highly disappointed running at 1.4 volts/cell.  I'd  
suggest buying a cheap diode bridge, or 4 cheap diodes to make a  
bridge, and then running the 40 cells (if 40 is the only number you  
can try) on 120 V house current first.  If you have a variable  
transformer, then try running at various voltages just to see what  
your best design point is.  Variable transformers can be obtained new  
for as little as $100. I bought a bench top model years ago and have  
been amazed at all the things it has been handy for.  I often use it  
in series with a transformer cannibalized from an old battery charger  
for low voltage stuff (I sometimes add my own secondary windings), or  
a transformer from a microwave for HV stuff.


If obtaining hydrogen at minimum energy per volume is your goal, then  
you may be better off running at 12 VDC regulated and 2.4 volts per  
cell, or 5 cells in series to make a unit, and 8 units in parallel,  
or some such series-parallel arrangement.  For what it is worth, a  
cheap and very good electrolyte I've found is made by saturating  
water with ordinary lye, and then diluting it 3:1, i.e. with 2 cups  
of water per cup of saturated lye.


For variable transformers see:

Ebay:

Just query "variable transformer"

Amazon:

http://tinyurl.com/yatya58

McMaster:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#variable-output-transformers/=3t4581

http://tinyurl.com/y92fe4j

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






Re: [Vo]:Tesla'sWardenclyffe-GusherMegaSuccess

2009-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
Note - URLS below have spaces and asterisks inserted because my ISP  
blocks my sending references to them, assuming I am sending spam. The  
tinyurls work.



On Sep 26, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Jack O Suileabhain wrote:


  John Hutchison of British Columbia approached fractionally  
Tesla's results and was immediately shut-down and relieved of his  
research data & equipment by a joint contingent of Canadian &  
United States goverment's 'officials.'  This is simple factual  
history.


John Hutchison is an amateur extraordinaire. It is easy to see why he  
might be evicted given the extent of the equipment he kept and used  
in his *apartment*.  See:


http://gu * ns.con *  nect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/John/

http://tinyurl.com/mrfzub


Must have made the neighbors uneasy!  That said, the response by  
authorities was wholly inappropriate, to say the least.  And his  
stuff was taken on more than one occasion. For more on the latest  
invasion see:



http://www.g * eocit *  ies.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/8863/ 
index.html


http://tinyurl.com/yefmpb8


This has been a topic of discussion here.  Consider:


On Mar 18, 2000, at 7:21 PM, William Beaty wrote:
( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) )  
)
William J. Beaty  SCIENCE HOBBYIST  
website
bi...@eskimo.com  http:// 
www.amasci.com
EE/programmer/sci-exhibits  science projects, tesla, weird  
science
Seattle, WA   206-781-3320  freenrg-L taoshum-L vortex-L  
webhead-L



http://www.g * eocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Thinktank/8863/index.html

John Hutchison Raided At Gunpoint
By Canadian Police

Reporting From Shreveport, Louisiana
UNITED STATES

 Word has been received this morning, Saturday, 18 March 2000,  
that

John Hutchison has been raided at gunpoint by Canadian Police.

 John's apartment in New Westminster, British Columbia, was  
raided at
2 PM Friday, 17 March 2000, by gun-wielding police searching for  
firearms.

An antique gun collection owned by Hutchison was confiscated in its
entireity.

 According to Hutchison, a phone call was received at about 2 PM
Friday, stating that it was the police, and asking John to answer his
door.  Hutchison states that there were 8 to 10 individuals pointing
weapons at him, only two or three of whom were in uniform. The rest  
were

dressed in dark clothing.

 Hutchison was handcuffed and placed on the outside steps while  
police

searched the apartment.  No warrant was claimed or shown at any time.
Police stated only that there had been an anonymous complaint that
firearms were being brought into the apartment.

 Police also called in an "electrical inspector" to examine  
John's lab

equipment.  This is the famous "Hutchison apparatus" with which John
produces the renowned "Hutchison Effect."

 Additional individuals dressed in suits were brought in who took
extensive photographs of the Hutchison apparatus.  Hutchison indicates
that these persons had an "official air" about them, and that they  
might
be Government agents, especially given the confiscation of the  
original
Hutchison lab, which took place while John was out of the country  
in 1990.

None of these persons showed any identification.

 Those who have followed John's career of invention and innovation
will recall that his first laboratory was forcibly seized by the  
Canadian

Government on 24 February 1990 by the direct order of former Canadian
Prime Minister Brian Mulruney.  The Government has retained the lab in
spite of a court order by Judge Paris of the Supreme Court of British
Columbia to return it.

 A previous raid on John Hutchison's apartment involving his
collection of antique firearms occured in 1978, and processing took  
two

years.  The confiscated antiques were returned at the order of Judge
Paris.  These events occured under the administration of former PM Joe
Clark.

 The present raid follows close on the heels of a recent  
successful
levitation performed 11 October 1999 which was videotaped by John.   
The

effect was achieved after six days worth of attempts.

 However, neighbors called local police to complain about  
Hutchison's
experiment.  It is unclear whether something in their apartment  
levitated,

although there is no other way known at this time that they could have
been aware of the levitation experiment that was in progress.  The
neighbors in question live across the street from Hutchison.

 The sound of approaching sirens was recorded on the video  
soundtrack

of Hutchison's camcorder during the experiment, and video of some
emergency vehicles and personnel was obtained.

 Further updates on the situation will be posted promptly on this
website.

Mark A. Solis
Shreveport, LA USA
Webmaster for John Hutchison




On Mar 19, 2000, at 9:12 PM, Michael T Huffman wrote:

Yo Bill!

If this is the Hutchison that was able to melt metals from a  
distanc

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence


Harvey Norris wrote:
> --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Stephen A. Lawrence  wrote:
> 
>> From: Stephen A. Lawrence  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Car
>> Alternators Vs Old Style Generators To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date:
>> Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:05 AM
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Zell wrote:
>>> The last car to use generators that I'm aware of was
>> the VW Bug.  I
>>> suppose alternators were cheaper to build.
> What a coincidence, I remember an incident where my (pre 70's?) Car
> Me Ghia? VW had its alternator go out, and was in fact surprised to
> learn it was instead a generator. Your post made me remember this. A
> freind has a porsche engine in the older VW busses they made.
>> That would make sense.  Once cheap reliable high current diodes
>> became available, the alternator design appears simpler.
>> 
>> On the other hand, I've always heard that alternators are preferred
>>  because they perform better than generators at low RPM -- in other
>>  words, their "power band" is wider, which is important for 
>> something which turns at a fixed rate relative to the engine (no 
>> transmission on the generator).  I've never checked that claim out,
>>  however.
> Because the (car) alternator has its field regulated, it is designed
> to constantly produce 12 or 13 volts, probably even at the lowest rpm
> available to it by idle of the automobile. The PMG site however
> claims that high amperage extraction at low rpms must be avoided as
> it will overheat the stator windings. The one I am purchasing will be
> used for a small Brown's gas torch; driven by a 10 hp lawnmower
> engine. What this means is that the generator that developes higher
> voltage at higher rpms will have a load that "kicks in" only after a
> certain rpm developes. This is to be negotiated by the number of
> cells in series that the unit employs. It would seem then that my
> variable speed drive will come in very handy here. As noted with 40
> cells in series, the thermoneutral electrolysis point only being 1.4
> volts/cell, this implies that the load should kick in at 56 volts
> from the generator, which is probably just under mid range engine rpm
> for an automotive application. HDN

This sounds like you actually want 56 or more volts from the beast, yes?

I seem to recall that you can dink the built-in regulator in a typical
automobile alternator and get out very high volts from it.  Where I read
this, exactly what you have to disable, or how high the volts can go
before the alternator does an auto de fey, I don't recall just now,
unfortunately.


>> Most of my experience with generators comes from the old flathead
>> Willys Jeep engines we used in my father's boat, back in the day.
>> (Two in succession; first replaced when the cylinder walls rusted 
>> through, due to use of an open cooling system in brackish water. 
>> It's a tradeoff -- a closed system is more expensive, more complex,
>> and takes more maintenance, but an open system requires replacing
>> the engine block every ten years or so.)
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 



RE: [Vo]:Why No Repulsion?

2009-09-26 Thread Chris Zell
I appreciate the answers but find that they generate more questions in the same 
direction. 
 
As of 1998, cloud electrification was still generally termed a mystery.  It's 
difficult to see how small charges over large distances still cooperate to 
create a lightning bolt as a focused phenomena , either between clouds or 
sometimes repeating to ground without dissipating the generating cloud.  Swirls 
of air that create the huge charge should push things apart and prevent 
concentration of charge.and the discharge of huge narrow currents. It's hard to 
overcome the image of putting a charge into a small cloud chamber filled with 
smoke or other particles and seeing it all vanish instantly.
 
As for space charges in a vacuum tube,  patent 6465965  makes interesting 
claims about electron screening.  If the Edison effect cuts off all current, 
then it's hard to see how.  A traffic jam can slow traffic down but need not 
stop it altogether.  Electrons continuing to boil off should build up to 
resolve the current flow standoff from filament to plate. I will study the old 
low plate voltage tubes to see how this fits.
 
The patent asserts that space charge in a tube is a quantum effect of virtual 
particles setting up a semi-stable cloud of charge.  I wonder if any physicists 
agree?


  

Re: [Vo]:Tesla'sWardenclyffe-GusherMegaSuccess

2009-09-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Jack O Suileabhain
 wrote:

> If we were Tesla now our tower mast would be configured from
> Fullerene/Carbon Nanotubules with a Bose-Einstein super conductor core.

This post needs a glossary.

Terry



[Vo]:Tesla'sWardenclyffe-GusherMegaSuccess

2009-09-26 Thread Jack O Suileabhain

*Nikola Tesla's success at Wardenclyffe circa 1908:  Setting the record 
straight*






-Tesla's 'derrick' @ Wardenclyffe hit a gusher; not in crude oil; but rather in 
tapping a heretofore unknown parallel spectrum-region of extremely dense 
Electro-Plasma making the first initial ZPE/Zero Point Energy-bridge made by 
mankind in more-or-less 'modern-times.' Tesla's huge 'towering' success has oft 
since been erroneously called a failure by the ignorant, uninformed, &/or by 
those intentionally misleading.  John Hutchison of British Columbia approached 
fractionally Tesla's results and was immediately shut-down and relieved of his 
research data & equipment by a joint contingent of Canadian & United States 
goverment's 'officials.'  This is simple factual history.  By the by;  you can 
'describe' this phenomenon 'mathmatically;'  but how odd that those that have 
actually 'achieved the mark' did 'not' in point of fact 'get-there' by tortured 
sophisticated mathmatic exegesis as the 'spear-head' of their research.  We 
love our math; but climbing a Jacob's-Math-Ladder to get 'there' may 'not' 
exactly be the centre-track to physics-heaven, even while it provides the 
necessary 'bread-crumb' bridge to engineer the subsequent R&D of our great 
discovery(s).
 
Case Point:  Even the contemporary physicists & electrical engineers of 
post-Tesla years could 'not' achieve Tesla's results even though they had 
access to Tesla's notes & technical data.  They simply did not have the power 
of imagination to envision those forces &/or dimensions that were manifest & 
obvious to Tesla.  And it's not for-nothing that Einstein said, "Imagination is 
more important that Knowledge."






I do believe that I've seen/heard the misinformed claim that, "Tesla's 
Wardenclyffe Power Tower
was a 'failure;'" enough for several life-times.  To Tesla if a 
project/experiment yielded any 'new' data, then that was the
definition of success.  After all; Nikola Tesla was a 'real' scientist not 
mediocre'd into pedantically telling us all what something is 'not,' but rather 
ceaselessly seeking to 'know' every secret treasure locked within his focus of 
research tirelessly.
 
Tesla created that tower as a electro-plasma-toroid field-booster to magnify 
the planet's geo-tectonic-&-meteorlogical-electro-magnetic flux grid; both 
atmospherically & extra-atmospherically.  Tentatively the planet's population 
would hopefully be able to 'tap' that wireless power field-grid at will for 
free power.  Westinghouse didn't like the sound of 'free-access;' but also some 
other strange & wonderfully-terrible experimental 
results mitigated the further developement of that technology to our new 
future.  A that future is the dream that we are all on the thresh-hold of.  But 
Tesla had to 'dream' it first; and so he was, & now we are 'here.' 
 
 
Nikolai Tesla was the consumate scientist-researcher.  No data was extraneous 
nor superfluous to him.  Tesla did not
ever bother first discounting any result as routine nor prozaic.  Each nuance 
of new data bore significance. And
all other data; even that data observed previously; had new added significance 
in light of the new data. In the Tesla domain nothing was ever discounted due 
to a momentary lack of lucid interpretation of said data.  He just never-ever 
took anything for granted.  So he was always on the verge of discovering
the wondrous &/or the terrible.
 
Tesla was not a classically educated physicist.  Tesla was
a quantum-leap in hyper-intuitive analytical consciousness.  The whys and 
wherefores of the timing
of Tesla's advent could boggle philosophers for a very long time.
 
But because the wild-card iconoclast existed we have the basis for nearly all 
of what we call 'modern' technology.
 
The times were pregnant with Faradays, Marconis, & Edisons, & young Einsteins 
yet the Maestro Unifying Force was then, and is still, Nikolai Tesla who 
largely either 'set' them upon their respective courses or propelled their 
genius to greater heights & challenges.  In short, Tesla maximised his world.  
And that's his ultimate genius.
 
Tesla's Tower experiment @ Wardenclyffe, Long-Island shore yielded wondrous & 
unexpected results leading Nikola into insights that are yet kept vaulted.  But 
with our minds we can pierce that paranoid's veil of secrecy because the genius 
of Tesla is indestructable energy that still maintains active contextual 
integration within the planet's living organic-psychic gestalt; that's us.
 
Our dreams & intuitions are not vagrant happenstance but rather within a stream 
of indestructable contiguity & continuity.
 

* * *We've some cool new materials that Tesla would've loved to have had access 
to.

Just now the carbon &/or silicon nano-tubule electrode techology announcement 
is fantasitic news that Tesla would have loved.
 
The Wardenclyffe Tower was masted by a Tesla designed 'lightening' rod that 
went as deep into the rock strata axially under the tower as the tow

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Harvey Norris

--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Stephen A. Lawrence  wrote:

> From: Stephen A. Lawrence 
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:05 AM
> 
> 
> Chris Zell wrote:
> > The last car to use generators that I'm aware of was
> the VW Bug.  I
> > suppose alternators were cheaper to build.
What a coincidence, I remember an incident where my (pre 70's?) Car Me Ghia? VW 
had its alternator go out, and was in fact surprised to learn it was instead a 
generator. Your post made me remember this. A freind has a porsche engine in 
the older VW busses they made.
> That would make sense.  Once cheap reliable high
> current diodes became
> available, the alternator design appears simpler.
> 
> On the other hand, I've always heard that alternators are
> preferred
> because they perform better than generators at low RPM --
> in other
> words, their "power band" is wider, which is important for
> something
> which turns at a fixed rate relative to the engine (no
> transmission on
> the generator).  I've never checked that claim out,
> however.
Because the (car) alternator has its field regulated, it is designed to 
constantly produce 12 or 13 volts, probably even at the lowest rpm available to 
it by idle of the automobile.
The PMG site however claims that high amperage extraction at low rpms must be 
avoided as it will overheat the stator windings. The one I am purchasing will 
be used for a small Brown's gas torch; driven by a 10 hp lawnmower engine. What 
this means is that the generator that developes higher voltage at higher rpms 
will have a load that "kicks in" only after a certain rpm developes. This is to 
be negotiated by the number of cells in series that the unit employs. It would 
seem then that my variable speed drive will come in very handy here. As noted 
with 40 cells in series, the thermoneutral electrolysis point only being 1.4 
volts/cell, this implies that the load should kick in at 56 volts from the 
generator, which is probably just under mid range engine rpm for an automotive 
application.
HDN
> 
> Most of my experience with generators comes from the old
> flathead Willys
> Jeep engines we used in my father's boat, back in the
> day.  (Two in
> succession; first replaced when the cylinder walls rusted
> through, due
> to use of an open cooling system in brackish water. 
> It's a tradeoff --
> a closed system is more expensive, more complex, and takes
> more
> maintenance, but an open system requires replacing the
> engine block
> every ten years or so.)
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 



Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence


Chris Zell wrote:
> The last car to use generators that I'm aware of was the VW Bug.  I
> suppose alternators were cheaper to build.

That would make sense.  Once cheap reliable high current diodes became
available, the alternator design appears simpler.

On the other hand, I've always heard that alternators are preferred
because they perform better than generators at low RPM -- in other
words, their "power band" is wider, which is important for something
which turns at a fixed rate relative to the engine (no transmission on
the generator).  I've never checked that claim out, however.

Most of my experience with generators comes from the old flathead Willys
Jeep engines we used in my father's boat, back in the day.  (Two in
succession; first replaced when the cylinder walls rusted through, due
to use of an open cooling system in brackish water.  It's a tradeoff --
a closed system is more expensive, more complex, and takes more
maintenance, but an open system requires replacing the engine block
every ten years or so.)


> 
> 



Re: [Vo]:The Electric Field Outside a Stationary Resistive Wire Carrying a Constant Current

2009-09-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence


Harry Veeder wrote:
> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> Harry Veeder wrote:
>>>
>>> If an electric field exists outside and parallel to the current
>> carrying> wire, and the wire is a loop it implies the electric
>> field lines would
>>> form a closed loop. However, this is not suppose to possible.
>> Certainly it is.  It's only possible, however, if there's a changing
>> magnetic field in the loop.  Curl(E) = -dB/dt.
> 
> Ok but it concerns a constant current so the magnetic field is constant too.
>  
>> But in any case, exactly *how* would you arrange to have a current
>> carrying resistive wire carry a current in a closed loop?  Where's the
>> EMF coming from?  Answer that and you'll see how the field outside the
>> wire plays out.
> 
> I mean the emf together with the wire form a loop, i.e.  a closed circuit.
> I can see how the construction of the electromotive force (such as a
> battery) might prevent an electric field inside the wire from forming a
> loop, if the
> emf does not harbor an electric field.

But it does -- that's exactly what causes the EMF.


> However if there is an electric
> field outside the wire then shouldn't the field go around the emf to
> make a closed loop?

No.  Try to draw a picture of what you're thinking of and I think you'll
see the problem.

First, a battery is just a fancy capacitor with a major chemical boost
to the energy storage capability, so for our purposes we can replace it
with a capacitor.  Now, let's draw the thing (horrible Ascii graphics;
unit width font, please, or it won't look like anything):


<--
 -
   /  \
| ||  ^
| ||  |
V ||  |
  |   - plate  <--   + plate   |
   \ |  | /
-| <--  |-
-->  |  | -->
   <--


I've shown a roughly square wire loop, with a capacitor in the bottom
"leg" of the loop, and I've shown arrows next to the wire indicating the
direction of the E field at all points.  The capacitor plates are
labeled "+ plate" and "- plate".  Around the capacitor, note that the E
field points the *other* *way* from the field near the wires.

In fact the E field *never* forms closed loops except when there's a
changing magnetic field contained inside the loop.  Otherwise the E
field starts and ends at charges -- it's anchored to charged particles
at both ends.  That's as true inside a wire as it is outside a wire.


>  
>> In other words, you have, essentially, hypothesized a closed loop of
>> wire with an E field pointing along the loop all the way around, and
>> then asked how there can be an E field in the *air* going all the way
>> around the loop.  Well, how can there be such a field inside the
>> wire to
>> start with?
> 
> 
> In Weber's electrodynamics the electric field is a mathematical fiction,
> a mere calculating device, so this "paradox" is not an issue.

There is no "paradox" here.

As to the field being a fiction, yes, I am aware that you can treat it
as such, but it works equally well to treat it as real.  And treating it
as real has the advantage that radio waves are nice, intuitive objects,
made of fields; if we assume that there's no field there it gets more
confusing.


> Of course, the
> emf is real because it is what does the work to maintain
> a charge imbalance in a closed circuit. 

In the wire, yes; in a simple closed loop of wire, no.

You must have something driving the charges around the wire.


> 
>  
> 
>> Last I heard the Lorentz force, F = q(E + vxB), fully explained the
>> behavior of charged particles in E and B fields.
>>
>> Do you know any evidence that this is not the case?
> 
> 
> The ball bearing motor?!? 

Touché!

Thanks; I'll read these and comment later, but it may be a while.  I've
got some other "off-list" email on the BB motor I have to dig through as
well; I've gotten behind.


> 
> ok,ok, three of the four published papers listed below support a
> prediction based on Weber's force law. Admittedly these three were all
> done by the same person. 
> 
> 
> i) V. F. Mikhailov. The action of an electrostatic
> potential on the electron mass. Annales de la
> Fondation Louis de Broglie, 24:161–169, 1999.
> http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-241/aflb241p161.pdf
> 
> ii) V. F. Mikhailov. Influence of an electrostatic potential
> on the inertial electron mass. Annales de
> la Fondation Louis de Broglie, 26:33–38, 2001.
> http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-264/aflb264p633.pdf
> 
> iii) V. F. Mikhailov. Influence of a field-less electrostatic
> potential on the inertial electron mass.
> Annales de la Fondation Louis de Broglie, 28:231–
> 236, 2003.
> http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-282/aflb282p231.pdf
> 
> The next one repeats the experiment in (i) bu

RE: [Vo]:Why No Repulsion?

2009-09-26 Thread Dr. Mitchell Swartz



   This is not a static process, but the success of
thunderstorm
electricity results from the kinetic ratio of two ongoing
process.
  One suspects that the rate of formation of free charge in the
cloud,
caused by friction between water crystals pulling protons off of
one,
exceeds the rate of free charge loss (that is, there is a relatively
long dielectric relaxation time (1))). Hence, a net build up.
1. MELCHER, J.R., "Continuum Electromechanics", 
  MIT Press, Cambridge, (1981).
  
t 02:28 AM 9/26/2009, you wrote:

There is, it's just overcome by the forces causing the separation of
charge...  
 
Understand that just as in a chemical
battery, there is an active process keeping the charges separated, and it
has to do with the turbulent columns of air moving vertically inside the
cloud.  
 
It's been about 19 yrs since my involvement
with this topic as a grad student, but back then there were at least two
competing hypotheses as to the microphysics of cloud
electrification.  Not sure if that has been resolved or not... but
convective cumulus clouds are not the nice calm gentle-looking puffs of
cotton that they appear to be!!  They are quite turbulent inside
with significant regions of vertical shear... If I remember correctly,
the vertical structure of a cumulus cloud has a positive region at the
bottom, a pancake region of mostly negative charges near to the freezing
level (~mid-cloud), and a positive region near the top...

-Mark

From: Chris Zell
[
mailto:chrisrz...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:28 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Why No Repulsion?

I was wondering if anyone knew a thorough answer to the question: How can
a charged thunderstorm exist? I've asked meterologists this question but
no one has any answer.
 
How can a cloud carry any charge at all?  Why doesn't the charge
cause the cloud to instantly dissipate?  If we can demonstrate
electrostatic precipitation with a small cloud chamber, how can any
thunderstorm exist at all?
 
Another mystery: How can an electron cloud exist in a vacuum tube? 
How can it hold itself together?  
 
It just seems to me that there are exceptions to the idea that like
charges always repel - a notion that might guide us to free
energy.
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[Vo]:Liion's Roar

2009-09-26 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/23516/

Longer-Running Electric-Car Batteries

Silicon-nanotube electrodes may enable lithium-ion batteries to store
10 times more charge.

By Katherine Bourzac

Wednesday, September 23, 2009

In an advance that could help electric vehicles run longer between
charges, researchers have shown that silicon nanotube electrodes can
store 10 times more charge than the conventional graphite electrodes
used in lithium-ion batteries.
Silicon storage: This image of a bundle of silicon nanotubes was made
using a scanning-electron microscope.
Credit: ACS/Nano Letters

Researchers at Stanford University and Hanyang University in Ansan,
Korea, are developing the nanotube electrodes in collaboration with LG
Chem, a Korean company that makes lithium-ion batteries, including
those used in the Chevy Volt. When such a battery is charged, lithium
ions move from the cathode to the anode. The new battery electrodes,
described online in the journal Nano Letters, are anodes and can store
much more energy than conventional graphite electrodes because they
absorb much more lithium when the battery is charged.