Re: [Vo]:TEST
--- On Sun, 2/21/10, Jed Rothwell wrote: > From: Jed Rothwell > Subject: Re: [Vo]:TEST > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 10:34 AM > Another test. I have not been able to post > messages. > - Jed > Came through OK here, Jed. I've been having the same problem, it began working again spontaneously yesterday. A few days ago, I attempted to post a message. It was rejected with the following message: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - "|flist vortex-l" (reason: Cannot open input) (expanded from: ) Not sure if you're having the same problem. It happens fairly often on my end, but maybe it is just a Yahoo thing. --Kyle
[Vo]:The BLOOM BOX
Just on 60 Minutes "The interwebs are aflutter with excitement over Bloom Energy's top secret "Bloom Box" fuel cell system finally revealing itself. For those who haven't already checked it out (the website is still just a marquee), the company boasts that their systems could literally replace the electricity grid with dispersed, clean, and easy to maintain fuel cell boxes running on a variety of fuels, water, and oxygen, with no combustion at all." "Here's what we know about its actual technology: the Bloom Box is based largely on a solid-oxide fuel cell (that can run on biomass or natural gas) developed by scientists at NASA and is made out of cheaper materials than those built by its competitors (at least according to company PR). The device is also said to withstand a wider range of temperatures, making it suitable for a wide array of applications (even the space shuttle)." http://www.bloomenergy.com/ http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/411/ http://green.venturebeat.com/2010/02/19/fuel-cell-maker-bloom-energy-finally-sheds-cloak-of-mystery-this-sunday/ Google the following: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - bloom energy fuel cell - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=bloom+energy+fuel+cell&aq=1sx&aqi=g-s1g-sx2g-s1g-sx6&oq=bloomenergy
Re: [Vo]:The Jed Rothwell Song
Mankind sought the heat of the sun. "We must force them together to make one!" But meeting in tight places, Touching intimate faces, D found the heat of fusion is fun.
RE: [Vo]:The Jed Rothwell Song
Frank Singz: > Cold fusion is dead > That's what they said > According to Jed > Its moving ahead. > > http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/sounds/RothwellSong.wav Speaking strictly from the point of view of a composer I suspect you will find greater fortune in this world refining the lyrics to your intriguing theory: electrons sing dancing speed of sound while weaving protons ring translating speed of light while heaving :-) http://orionworks.com/audio/ Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:The Jed Rothwell Song
Cold fusion is dead That's what they said According to Jed Its moving ahead. _http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/sounds/RothwellSong.wav_ (http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/sounds/RothwellSong.wav) Cool Frank Z
Re: [Vo]:Naudin's Solid State Generator?
- Original Message > From: Stephen A. Lawrence > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 11:51:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Naudin's Solid State Generator? > > But in any case the field inside the core doesn't change the external > permanent magnet's field (or, at any rate, it doesn't have to for this > to work). > > Rather, the permanent magnet distorts the field of the core, so that the > field of the core is no longer a neat torus, and now extends outside the > toroidal coil. That's what the pickup coil is reacting to. The > "distortion" is accomplished by rotating the orientation of the core's > field such that it's no longer neat concentric rings contained within > the torus. > > In particular, during the phase when the coil is *off*, the field of the > core will be lined up with the field of the neo magnet, and will > consequently be sprawling all over the room. When the coil turns *on* > the field of the core will be (partially) rotated to follow the field of > the coil, and the portion of the core's field which is outside the torus > will be consequently reduced. So, the portion of the coil's field which > extends outside the coil varies in intensity as the coil turns on and off. > > We can be pretty sure the coil isn't succeeding in totally shielding the > core during the "on" phase, on the other hand, because the neo magnet > doesn't immediately fall off! (Or the 'on' phase may just be too short > for it to drop off before the next 'off' phase starts.) OK. I forgot about the core. > ** > > By the way, I talked Naudin's page over briefly with the aforementioned > double E I know. He thought it was pretty funny, but didn't find it at > all puzzling. He said flatly the trick is that the current rises more > quickly when the inductance is lower, and falls more slowly when > inductance is higher; he didn't see thermal losses entering into the > budget at all. In other words, there's a back EMF alright. It just is > small, which is commensurate with the mechanical power generated by the > motor, which is also (very) small. And it happens only on the rising > and falling edges (when the "shield" moves), in the very brief space of > time during which the core material goes from unsaturated to saturated, > and it's totally swamped by the far, far higher current which is flowing > while the coil is fully energized. So, we can't see it on any of the > scope shots to date, *except* Naudin's two shots showing voltage and > current in the reference position and TDC, in which we can see the > current going up and down very slightly faster at TDC. This Steorn video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSftoc9Pm1U compares the trace from a conventional pulse motor with the trace from an orbo motor. (Naudin doesn't show measurements from a conventional pulse motor). If your EE friend is correct, then Steorn is simply wrong to surmise that because the scope trace of the orbo motor does not look like the scope trace of their pulse motor, the ORBO has NO back EMF. However, might it be more accurate for them to say that there is some Back EMF, but it is not present in the amount that standard physics would predict. Also does the shot @ 6:40 provide part of the information you believed was missing? harry __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: [Vo]:TEST
Another test. I have not been able to post messages. - Jed
[Vo]:Wrote a song for Jeff Cook and I am working on one for Jed
I am cooking up something special for Jed. _http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/sounds/cookeffect.wav_ (http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/sounds/cookeffect.wav) Frank Znidarsic
Re: [Vo]:Naudin's Solid State Generator?
On 02/18/2010 11:51 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > On 02/18/2010 08:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > >> Naudin has posted two more videos where he holds the magnet away from >> the torodial coils so that the pickup coil is between the magnet and >> the toroidal coil: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Nd9IuVJ3ww >> >> and with a nanocrystalline alloy for the core: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdEd8jX0fZA >> >> This time the current drops when the magnet is brought closer. >> > Haven't had time to look at these yet; will do that tomorrow. > Finally got around to looking at them. I don't know how much they show, since it's square-wave AC current being measured with a simple averaging meter, but they sure are funny! Love that first one, where he's reading the current through the coil directly. When you're lighting a light, of course, the current should drop er, say what?? Since the last time I expressed an opinion about this in this forum I've thought about it some more and consequently gotten more confused. If I ever can cut through the confusion I'll post the conclusions...
