[Vo]:eetimes coverage of Rossi
Linked from Brian Josephson's blog: http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4212428/Italian-scientists-claim-cold-fusion-success This may be where the other commentator on YouTube got the idea that Rossi submitted a paper that was rejected. I am not aware of any submission. - Jed
[Vo]:WTF is this?
http://www.sharenator.com/w/lenr-canr.org
Re: [Vo]:WTF is this?
a gui statistics generator. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.sharenator.com/w/lenr-canr.org
[Vo]:More attention being paid to the long term effects of automation
At last, opinion makers are starting to take this problem seriously. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/opinion/07krugman.html http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/autor-autor/ - Jed
RE: [Vo]:WTF is this?
Yeah, but how did they get that great picture of all of us together at the same time? -Original Message- From: Alexander Hollins a gui statistics generator. Jones Beene wrote: http://www.sharenator.com/w/lenr-canr.org
[Vo]:ECat News Articles
A summary: http://www.worldspinner.us/rossi-focardi
RE: [Vo]:WTF is this?
Why do we have over 60% of visits to an English speaking forum coming from Italy and Poland? I know many papers are written in English and Italy is very focused on this subject right now which could account for a spike but Poland represents 33% by itself! Is Poland a major player in this field? Regards Fran
RE: [Vo]:WTF is this?
Among the possibilities - 1)There is a delusion nut-case and viral poster on Hartmann's forum from Poland (Dr. No ?) who claims to have invented a LENR device. 2)Quirk of statistics 3)Poland has almost 40 million population, a fairly high income per capita, they are inventive people with little oil. I have heard that educated Russians wanting to go to the West go there first. 'Atomic' pioneer Maria Curie was possibly the most famous Pole and perhaps inspired others to an interest in nuclear energy. 4)Then there is the lighter side for the non-PC amongst us: how many polocks does it take to download a technical paper g From: francis Why do we have over 60% of visits to an English speaking forum coming from Italy and Poland? I know many papers are written in English and Italy is very focused on this subject right now which could account for a spike but Poland represents 33% by itself! Is Poland a major player in this field? Regards Fran
Re: [Vo]:WTF is this?
francis wrote: Why do we have over 60% of visits to an English speaking forum coming from Italy and Poland? That can't be right. For the last 4 weeks, accesses measured by events (not traffic) have been from: U.S. 33% Unknown 31% Poland 6% Canada 4% U.K. 3% Japan 3% Italy 3% . . . That is a spike in accesses from Poland but it is not 60%. My guess is that this website works with volunteers who install a program to monitor their web use. They happen to have some people in Poland who happened to access LENR-CANR.org lately. Probably they have a small set of people and the statistics are skewed. This data appears to come from Alexa.com, which operates with the method I described. See: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/lenr-canr.org# - Jed
[Vo]:A large volume may be important in the Rossi experiment
Dennis Cravens and I think that one of the reasons the Rossi experiment works well is because he uses a large volume of material. We think the effect might increase exponentially with with increased surface area. This may be one of the secrets, which is sitting in plain view. In his blog, Rossi remarked that he is making a large system by ganging together 100 smaller 1 L cells because he might have trouble controlling a larger, 100 L cell. That tells me volume is an important controlling parameter. I recommend that people attempting to replicate this experiment should use a larger volume of material than most cold fusion experiments. Perhaps I feel this way because I've always wanted to see researchers scale up a little, even though there is no technical justification for it. - Jed
[Vo]:FW: Reply: jA thought about hyper-light flight....
Hi Dean: I've been outa the loop for a bit, sorry for the lag-time. ANSWER: Absolutely. The hyper-light focused-grav lobe 'wake' is deadly. Tesla caused/created the TUNGUSKA-EFFECT by projecting the HI-DENSITY EM MAELSTROM that BREACHES-TRANSDIMENTIONAL PORTAL and allows in the HYPER-SPACE HI-GRAV lobe at it's centre then can be FRISBEE'd/broad-cast up the Geo-Magnetic-flux grid across the North-Pole. This 'was' what Tesla originally called his 'Death-Ray.' HAARP was a cover to build a DEW-LINE plasma-breath broadcast grid which essentially has created these HYPER-GRAV WAKES that will functionally will RIP ANYTHING AIRBORNE OUT OF THE SKY attempting to cross through the 'grid airspace' while the Plasma-Breach-Reactor-Broadcast sites are online. (of much less power per site than TESLA'S WARDENCLYFFE-LONG ISLAND-1908 experiment which produced TUNGUSKA!) but methinks that although it was a GLOBAL-BROADCAST FREE ACCESS POWER EXPERIMENT FAILURE; it was a TUNGUSKA SUCCESS. Isolate this reactor in a craft and the craft's hi-grav-lobe wakes can be devastating if passing too near conventional aircraft. . . UK-GREAT BRITAIN was testing their version of the grid over their northern air-space a couple of years ago and nobody could figure out why these un-manned fighter drone formations were suddenly being RIPPED TO SHREDS by some 'unknown force.' RE: ALPHA CENTAURII: Stars are transdimensional 'white-holes with influx-plasma-induced/fed nuclear fission 'SHELLS' Re: a quasi CASIMIR-CAVITY EFFECT which is also reflected at the PROTON-ATOMIC-LEVEL .' Each star has its own characteristic RADIO-FREQUENCY signature so that STARS can be used as STAR-TO-STAR transit-gates to the types of TESLIAN-DRIVE technology that we have been speaking of. SUCH TRANSPORT would be VIRTUALLY INSTANTANEOUS. . . cheers; Jack Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:21:07 -0600 Subject: jA thought about hyper-light flight From: deanlsincl...@gmail.com To: alset9te...@hotmail.com Hi, Jack, I note recently that there have been reported mysterious sudden (?) kills of birs and fish I don't know the details so this is a far out guess at a possible connection to some of our work. Super-sonic flight entails the riding of a shock-wave on air. If the riding is too close to the ground, the resultant shock wave can cause considerable damage One may postulate that a hyper-light vehicle would similarly ride a shock-wave, perhaps on the zerotron background., Could the resulting shock wave have a 'death-ray effect? Another little item. A lady quoted in the Nov. issue of Discovery Magazine mentioned the idea of a probe to Alpha Centuri, It would be an intersting project to designs a small probe to go there and come back with information about the neighborhood.I wonder if the navagation problems could be worked out and the other details such as to get a probe there and back in a few months lAlpla Centukri is , what is it. pm;u7 fpir ;ogjt years away. .. A cosmic next door neighbor.;.;.. Cheers, Dean
Re: [Vo]:A large volume may be important in the Rossi experiment
We think this mainly because 1 L of powder self-heats and there are large heat gradients and flux. You might be able to accomplish the same thing with a smaller sample and the clever use of resistance heaters. I assume the array of heaters connected to Rossi's control box is producing some sort of gradient or waves of heat, which stimulates the reaction. I expect it is easier to do that with a substantial volume of material. Certainly a lot easier than with, for example, the tiny samples used in the Seebeck calorimeter at the NRL. I can't imagine anyone producing a gradient with that. - Jed
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A large volume may be important in the Rossi experiment
I like this larger volume enhancement idea from a ZPE/suppression perspective. If you are dealing with small volumes / thin dimensions then the suppressed/condensed gas has a smaller migration zone before it escapes the suppression of the lattice. I am convinced that the suppression in the lattice can partially maintain the more condensed forms of gas formed in the cavities or defects found in the more active skeletal type catalysts. The larger the suppression fields the longer these condensed forms of gas can be translating back and forth between different supression and bond states before escaping. Fran From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 2:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:A large volume may be important in the Rossi experiment We think this mainly because 1 L of powder self-heats and there are large heat gradients and flux. You might be able to accomplish the same thing with a smaller sample and the clever use of resistance heaters. I assume the array of heaters connected to Rossi's control box is producing some sort of gradient or waves of heat, which stimulates the reaction. I expect it is easier to do that with a substantial volume of material. Certainly a lot easier than with, for example, the tiny samples used in the Seebeck calorimeter at the NRL. I can't imagine anyone producing a gradient with that. - Jed
[Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
NY TEKNIK http://tinyurl.com/4nyxly2 [google translation] Wanted: What do you know about cold fusion? Friday, March 11 at 10:00 chats Italian engineer Andrea Rossi with new technology readers. Men redan nu kan du fråga uppfinnaren vad du vill om hans ”energikatalysator” som möjligen bygger på kall fusion. But now you can ask the inventor what you want about his energy catalyst possibly based on cold fusion. link from Kirvit's Rossi portal. harry
Re: [Vo]:The Rossi mechanism explained ?
Where does that reference come from? The closest thing I have been able to find is the following page. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=itu=http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/in-attesa-di-brindare-alla-fusione.htmlei=uEJ1Ta-kCIWT0QGsn5nFAQsa=Xoi=translatect=resultresnum=1ved=0CCAQ7gEwAAprev=/search%3Fq%3Dzirconia%2Bsite:http://22passi.blogspot.com/%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DW4h%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divns However, it does not mention anything about zirconia in the Rossi reactor and does not mention a pound of zirconia and it does not mention 2 grams of nickel. Can you provide us with a link? From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 12:52:50 PM Subject: [Vo]:The Rossi mechanism explained ? The Rossi mechanism explained ? He does this byprovidinga travelling wavein pressurized hydrogen around a phase change in the catalyst. The catalyst could be zirconia, and there has beenrecentmention(on the Italian blog)of theRossitubecontainingtwo grams of nickelnanopowderand one kilogram of zirconia. Perhaps that is a guess, based on Arata/Takahashi/Kitamura. Or perhaps it is right-on.Zirconia is well-knownto have an extremelypronouncedphase-change in the range of 350C andovercomingthatproblemis why it took the‘Bloom Box’and other SOFC devices so long to get to market.Now the‘problem’becomesa‘feature’. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Rossi credibility
Can you tell us anything more about this replication of the Rossi system? What catalysts are they using? Would you please clarify what you mean by 800 watts per liter of powder? Do they have to have one liter of nickel powder in the reactor to produce 800 watts. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 5:38:14 PM Subject: [Vo]:Rossi credibility Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Okay, to Jed, and perhaps to others, this is confirmation of prior work. But because it's secret protocol it's weak in that respect. It isn't all that secret. I have known that it is Ni-H cold fusion for a year, and people in Italy have known for 2 years. Groups there and in the U.S. are working somewhat frantically to determine what the other 2 elements are. One of them told me that they have achieved the equivalent of 800 W per liter of powder (with a smaller actual volume), which is not far from what Rossi reported. Ed Storms and others at ICCF-16 remarked that Rossi has already revealed the biggest and most important secret: that this can be done, i.e., that high temperature, high power density Ni-H cold fusion exists. Others will soon figure out how it is done. The situation is somewhat similar to what happened after the first use of atomic weapons. Scientists in Russia had detailed reports from spies, but even if they had not had these reports, they would have soon figured out how to make a bomb because the biggest secret was that you could make a bomb. Japanese scientists secretly figured out a great deal about it, hiding their research from the occupation. I agree that the existence of (possibly) similar prior work is supportive, and is reason to be less likely to dismiss Rossi out-of-hand. It is similar. No doubt about it. Assuming Rossi's claims are real, there is plenty of precedent for them. Jed, you have pointed out that he may be shooting himself in the foot with his secrecy. He may yet shoot himself. It is an awkward strategy that can only work for a short time. It's just not true that if he disclosed everything he'd lose everything. It depends on how he discloses and to whom. The only way he can succeed is with a patent. That's what I thought, and discussions with people in the know at ICCF-16 confirmed that. His strategy might be reasonable. But a consequence of that strategy is that I'm not going to believe that Rossi is a demonstration of cold fusion. That's rather short-sighted of you. You do not know what is going on inside a Pd-D cathode either. You can look right at it, and learn all there is to know from the ENEA database, but you still do not know. If U. Bologna publishes a more detailed, convincing report describing the 18-hour run, there will be practically no room left to doubt this. David Kidwell told me that if they could have the Rossi device in their 10 kW-scale testbed at the NRL, they could conclude within an hour that it is real, and they would not have to know the first thing about what is inside it. (The testbed is described in ICCF-16 paper ET01. It is way better than the U. Bologna calorimeter. It resembles the industrial-scale testbed at Hydrodynamics, Inc., which was designed by the Dean of Mech. Eng. at Georgia Tech. That system was bulletproof as far as I know -- and as far as the Dean knew.) Kidwell did say he would insist they conduct a test with Rossi not present. I think this is slight case of magical thinking. I do not see how a person standing in a room can affect dial thermometers and watt-meters. I'm not going to claim that it's fraud, on the other hand. I'm going to claim that *I don't know* and that I think I don't have enough information to decide. You will soon, if we get a better report from Levi. I think you can be 95% sure it is real now. The fraud hypothesis is awfully far fetched, and getter farther fetched with each new test. Frankly, I don't think it is worth worrying about. Again, depending on so many details about which we know nothing, so far, and may not ever know. What do you mean we Kemo Sabe? (Quoting the old joke about the Lone Ranger surrounded by hostile Indians.) I've argued that making a huge fuss over Rossi simply discredits the field . . . I don't see why. For one thing, other researchers are not responsible for what Rossi claims, except perhaps Focardi. Levi is not a cold fusion research. Or he wasn't before Jan. 14. Some of the damage will be done anyway. People are already using Rossi as an example of overblown, inflated claims. I don't see any damage. People will say that it is fraud or inflated no matter who makes what claim. Heck, they say that about Energetics Tech., even after SRI replicated them spot on with some cathodes. So far I have not seen any evidence that Rossi has made inflated claims. On the
Re: [Vo]:Rossi credibility
noone noone wrote: Can you tell us anything more about this replication of the Rossi system? Brian Ahern. I don't know if we should call it a replication since he does not know what is in the Rossi cell. I guess we should call it another Ni-H system producing more power density than the older ones back in the 1990s such as Mills or Piantelli. I think the primary differences between then and now are: 1. Lots more surface area, with nanoparticles. 2. Higher operating temperatures (although Piantelli did raise the temperature -- don't think Mills ever did). 3. The magical two additional elements in Rossi's cell, whatever they are. What catalysts are they using? Mostly Ni, a little Pd. Varying amounts of Pd. Would you please clarify what you mean by 800 watts per liter of powder? Do they have to have one liter of nickel powder in the reactor to produce 800 watts. No, I think it is much less, but normalized to 1 L it would be ~800 W. I told him I think it would be a good idea to increase the volume of material, for the reasons I gave this morning. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Harry Veeder wrote: link from Kirvit's Rossi portal. Where exactly is the portal? What is the URL? A new version of New Energy Times is out. The first in a while: http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/NET36.pdf It is a curious mixture of useful information, good reporting, and lunacy with regard to helium, McKubre, Melich and the W-L theory. I wonder if Larsen is paying Krivit to promote his theories? That would explain some of the nuttiness. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi credibility
At 02:22 PM 3/7/2011 Jed wrote Would you please clarify what you mean by 800 watts per liter of powder? Do they have to have one liter of nickel powder in the reactor to produce 800 watts. No, I think it is much less, but normalized to 1 L it would be ~800 W. I told him I think it would be a good idea to increase the volume of material, for the reasons I gave this morning. But how does that relate to Levi's February report that the size of the reaction chamber is 1L ... and gives bursts of 130KW ?
Re: [Vo]:Rossi credibility
On 3/7/2011 5:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: But how does that relate to Levi's February report that the size of the reaction chamber is 1L ... and gives bursts of 130KW ? Well . . . as I said, I guess you wouldn't call this a replication. I mean, it does not relate all that closely. But it is additional evidence that the Ni-H system can produce high temperatures and high power density. The only previous examples were Piantelli and Focardi. I would say it supports the claims. As I said before, if Rossi were the first person in history to claim heat from the Ni-H system, I would have much less confidence in his results. His Ni alloy and his method of stimulating it are unique, and they are secret. That gives me pause, naturally. It would be a lot more believable if others had independently replicated. They can't, because of the patent situation. That isn't Rossi's fault. I think he is taking steps to have an expert write a better patent. That's good. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml - Original Message From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 5:41:28 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik Harry Veeder wrote: link from Kirvit's Rossi portal. Where exactly is the portal? What is the URL? http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml harry
Re: [Vo]:Rossi credibility
I wrote: But it is additional evidence that the Ni-H system can produce high temperatures and high power density. The only previous examples were Piantelli and Focardi. And Patterson! Which was also Ni and Pd. Closer to Ahern. High power density at low temperature. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Detecting a Fake 10KW Rossi/Focardi eCat Device
Progress report : I've written the code (in PHP) to do the calculations inside the document. I define the SECTIONS and the MATERIALS, and then combine them in EXPERIMENTS. First test sample is at : http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_calctest_v3.php I highlight the FAKE's run time in GREEN if it passes, and RED if it fails.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi credibility
It is interesting to me that the hydrogen usage in Rossi's system was around 0.4 g (If I remember correctly) If we knew the amount of Ni, we could estimate the loading ratio It sounds like just surface loading. Dennis From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 7:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi credibility I wrote: But it is additional evidence that the Ni-H system can produce high temperatures and high power density. The only previous examples were Piantelli and Focardi. And Patterson! Which was also Ni and Pd. Closer to Ahern. High power density at low temperature. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi to answer questions on Ny Teknik
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiECatPortal.shtml This is quite a collection of links! You have to hand it to Steve, he is on the ball. - Jed
[Vo]:To Jones Beene - Zirconia
Jones, Can you please give us the reference for two pounds of zirconia in the Rossi system? If that is true it is huge news. - Forwarded Message From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 4:05:17 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Rossi mechanism explained ? Where does that reference come from? The closest thing I have been able to find is the following page. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=itu=http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/01/in-attesa-di-brindare-alla-fusione.htmlei=uEJ1Ta-kCIWT0QGsn5nFAQsa=Xoi=translatect=resultresnum=1ved=0CCAQ7gEwAAprev=/search%3Fq%3Dzirconia%2Bsite:http://22passi.blogspot.com/%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DW4h%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divns However, it does not mention anything about zirconia in the Rossi reactor and does not mention a pound of zirconia and it does not mention 2 grams of nickel. Can you provide us with a link? From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 12:52:50 PM Subject: [Vo]:The Rossi mechanism explained ? The Rossi mechanism explained ? He does this byprovidinga travelling wavein pressurized hydrogen around a phase change in the catalyst. The catalyst could be zirconia, and there has beenrecentmention(on the Italian blog)of theRossitubecontainingtwo grams of nickelnanopowderand one kilogram of zirconia. Perhaps that is a guess, based on Arata/Takahashi/Kitamura. Or perhaps it is right-on.Zirconia is well-knownto have an extremelypronouncedphase-change in the range of 350C andovercomingthatproblemis why it took the‘Bloom Box’and other SOFC devices so long to get to market.Now the‘problem’becomesa‘feature’. Jones
RE: [Vo]:To Jones Beene - Zirconia
Hi, I would have included a cite if this had been first hand, or reliable information. It was not first hand, and might have turned up on the Polywell forum, if you want to try to track it down - but like everyone else, they are grasping at straws to understand what is going on. As you probably know, Zirconia is the predominate dielectric used in the other gas phase work - Arata, Kitamura, Takahashi, etc … so it is a logical choice. From: noone noone Jones, Can you please give us the reference for two pounds of zirconia in the Rossi system? If that is true it is huge news.
