Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[David Roberson]

That would be the proper way to handle the situation.  I have to keep reminding 
myself to keep an open mind, but sometimes it is difficult.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:44 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?



Oh, BTW, just because some guy shows how some device COULD HAVE BEEN FAKED, 
doesn’t mean that the original device was faked… in this case, it may very well 
have been faked, however, did the debunker ever go to the original dude’s 
youtube page and message or email him about how it could have been faked and if 
the dude was serious, how to perform the test to eliminate all doubt???  
Instead of calling him a fraudster, give the dude a chance to correct the 
ambiguities first before making any accusations… 
-Mark
 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

 
Maybe I should realize that there are those that are just having fun with these 
pranks.  I tend to be more serious these days than I should perhaps because I 
am getting a bit impatient with the progress that is being made toward LENR 
product introduction.  In my mind these new devices will change the world for 
the better for so many people.  For this reason I tend to be upset toward those 
that seem to harbor too much self interest and want to get super rich at the 
expense of the rest of us. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not against folks making a fair return upon their 
developments.  I just think they should consider the impact upon those less 
fortunate than themselves when they withhold or delay life saving products from 
the marketplace.

 

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, David Roberson  wrote: 

 


These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to 
the free energy cause.


 

I don't know.  Some of these people may just be playing a practical joke.  I 
was guilty of that on more than one occasion when I was younger.  As long as 
they are not selling the things, I'm not too worried.  There does seem to be a 
cottage industry of weird free energy doodads whose legitimacy must be strongly 
doubted until proven otherwise.

 

I'm not sure it would be possible to improve the image of free energy research. 
 There will always be people along for the ride, having fun, some of them 
trying to look as wacky as they can.

 

Eric

 



 

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[David Roberson]

That is going to be difficult for me Mark.  I need instant gratification!


Did things appear to move at the same speed as now during most of that time?  
It just seems that a product is around the corner with all the developments 
that have taken place.


Maybe I need to take a long nap and wake up some day in a new world.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 1:39 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?



Dave,
Many of us have been waiting for over 20 years for *any* LENR product to make 
it to market…
My only advice is, get used to the slow progress!  J
-mark
 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

 
Maybe I should realize that there are those that are just having fun with these 
pranks.  I tend to be more serious these days than I should perhaps because I 
am getting a bit impatient with the progress that is being made toward LENR 
product introduction.  In my mind these new devices will change the world for 
the better for so many people.  For this reason I tend to be upset toward those 
that seem to harbor too much self interest and want to get super rich at the 
expense of the rest of us. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not against folks making a fair return upon their 
developments.  I just think they should consider the impact upon those less 
fortunate than themselves when they withhold or delay life saving products from 
the marketplace.

 

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, David Roberson  wrote: 

 


These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to 
the free energy cause.


 

I don't know.  Some of these people may just be playing a practical joke.  I 
was guilty of that on more than one occasion when I was younger.  As long as 
they are not selling the things, I'm not too worried.  There does seem to be a 
cottage industry of weird free energy doodads whose legitimacy must be strongly 
doubted until proven otherwise.

 

I'm not sure it would be possible to improve the image of free energy research. 
 There will always be people along for the ride, having fun, some of them 
trying to look as wacky as they can.

 

Eric

 



 

RE: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Oh, BTW, just because some guy shows how some device COULD HAVE BEEN FAKED,
doesn't mean that the original device was faked. in this case, it may very
well have been faked, however, did the debunker ever go to the original
dude's youtube page and message or email him about how it could have been
faked and if the dude was serious, how to perform the test to eliminate all
doubt???  Instead of calling him a fraudster, give the dude a chance to
correct the ambiguities first before making any accusations. 

-Mark

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

 

Maybe I should realize that there are those that are just having fun with
these pranks.  I tend to be more serious these days than I should perhaps
because I am getting a bit impatient with the progress that is being made
toward LENR product introduction.  In my mind these new devices will change
the world for the better for so many people.  For this reason I tend to be
upset toward those that seem to harbor too much self interest and want to
get super rich at the expense of the rest of us. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not against folks making a fair return upon their
developments.  I just think they should consider the impact upon those less
fortunate than themselves when they withhold or delay life saving products
from the marketplace.

 

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, David Roberson  wrote:


 

These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to
the free energy cause.

 

I don't know.  Some of these people may just be playing a practical joke.  I
was guilty of that on more than one occasion when I was younger.  As long as
they are not selling the things, I'm not too worried.  There does seem to be
a cottage industry of weird free energy doodads whose legitimacy must be
strongly doubted until proven otherwise.

 

I'm not sure it would be possible to improve the image of free energy
research.  There will always be people along for the ride, having fun, some
of them trying to look as wacky as they can.

 

Eric

 

RE: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Dave,

Many of us have been waiting for over 20 years for *any* LENR product to
make it to market.

My only advice is, get used to the slow progress!  J

-mark

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

 

Maybe I should realize that there are those that are just having fun with
these pranks.  I tend to be more serious these days than I should perhaps
because I am getting a bit impatient with the progress that is being made
toward LENR product introduction.  In my mind these new devices will change
the world for the better for so many people.  For this reason I tend to be
upset toward those that seem to harbor too much self interest and want to
get super rich at the expense of the rest of us. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not against folks making a fair return upon their
developments.  I just think they should consider the impact upon those less
fortunate than themselves when they withhold or delay life saving products
from the marketplace.

 

Dave

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, David Roberson  wrote:


 

These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to
the free energy cause.

 

I don't know.  Some of these people may just be playing a practical joke.  I
was guilty of that on more than one occasion when I was younger.  As long as
they are not selling the things, I'm not too worried.  There does seem to be
a cottage industry of weird free energy doodads whose legitimacy must be
strongly doubted until proven otherwise.

 

I'm not sure it would be possible to improve the image of free energy
research.  There will always be people along for the ride, having fun, some
of them trying to look as wacky as they can.

 

Eric

 

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[David Roberson]

Maybe I should realize that there are those that are just having fun with these 
pranks.  I tend to be more serious these days than I should perhaps because I 
am getting a bit impatient with the progress that is being made toward LENR 
product introduction.  In my mind these new devices will change the world for 
the better for so many people.  For this reason I tend to be upset toward those 
that seem to harbor too much self interest and want to get super rich at the 
expense of the rest of us.


Don't get me wrong, I am not against folks making a fair return upon their 
developments.  I just think they should consider the impact upon those less 
fortunate than themselves when they withhold or delay life saving products from 
the marketplace.


Dave




-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, David Roberson  wrote:



These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to 
the free energy cause.




I don't know.  Some of these people may just be playing a practical joke.  I 
was guilty of that on more than one occasion when I was younger.  As long as 
they are not selling the things, I'm not too worried.  There does seem to be a 
cottage industry of weird free energy doodads whose legitimacy must be strongly 
doubted until proven otherwise.


I'm not sure it would be possible to improve the image of free energy research. 
 There will always be people along for the ride, having fun, some of them 
trying to look as wacky as they can.


Eric


 

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM, David Roberson  wrote:

These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing
> to the free energy cause.
>

I don't know.  Some of these people may just be playing a practical joke.
 I was guilty of that on more than one occasion when I was younger.  As
long as they are not selling the things, I'm not too worried.  There does
seem to be a cottage industry of weird free energy doodads whose legitimacy
must be strongly doubted until proven otherwise.

I'm not sure it would be possible to improve the image of free energy
research.  There will always be people along for the ride, having fun, some
of them trying to look as wacky as they can.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[David Roberson]

It looks a bit different, but I bet there is a battery within one of the motor 
shells.  If not there, then somewhere else.



Dave



-Original Message-
From: James Bowery 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?


This device is not consistent with the tiny battery debunk of the prior video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0fwjY6_-1M


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

This guy reproduces the device using tiny batteries:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRSGjC0K4bw&feature=youtu.be




On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

Looking at the size and  shape of that motor drive circuit I would suspect that 
it is powered by high frequency RF if not faked.  One problem is that any 
single coil drive circuit will have at least one axis of zero coupling in space 
which did not appear in the video.  A complex system of drive coils can be 
arranged to eliminate the normal null, but this takes a bit more knowledge than 
this guy appears to posses. For this reason, I suspect that there is a battery 
hidden within the motor case that powers it.  Another guy demonstrated how this 
could be done in an earlier post.


These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to 
the free energy cause.  We are overwhelmed by the number of idiots that put out 
this type of trash just to get hits on their sites.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: mixent 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?




In reply to  Brad Lowe's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:06:36 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Related: What makes this LED light?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2t6Ujv3C4
>
>- Brad
If I were going to fake it, I'd put a coil under the table top with AC running
through it. Then you would have an air core transformer with the largest of the
coils in the device.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html


 








 

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[James Bowery]

This device is not consistent with the tiny battery debunk of the prior
video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0fwjY6_-1M

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:28 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> This guy reproduces the device using tiny batteries:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRSGjC0K4bw&feature=youtu.be
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, David Roberson wrote:
>
>> Looking at the size and  shape of that motor drive circuit I would
>> suspect that it is powered by high frequency RF if not faked.  One problem
>> is that any single coil drive circuit will have at least one axis of zero
>> coupling in space which did not appear in the video.  A complex system of
>> drive coils can be arranged to eliminate the normal null, but this takes a
>> bit more knowledge than this guy appears to posses. For this reason, I
>> suspect that there is a battery hidden within the motor case that powers
>> it.  Another guy demonstrated how this could be done in an earlier post.
>>
>>  These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are
>> doing to the free energy cause.  We are overwhelmed by the number of idiots
>> that put out this type of trash just to get hits on their sites.
>>
>>  Dave
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mixent 
>> To: vortex-l 
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:26 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?
>>
>>  In reply to  Brad Lowe's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:06:36 -0800:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >Related: What makes this LED light?
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2t6Ujv3C4
>> >
>> >- Brad
>> If I were going to fake it, I'd put a coil under the table top with AC 
>> running
>> through it. Then you would have an air core transformer with the largest of 
>> the
>> coils in the device.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[Jed Rothwell]

Teslaalset wrote:


The book of Jean-Paul has been published in last December:
" La fusion dans tous ses états "
Dr Jean-Paul BIBÉRIAN
ISBN : 978-2-8132-0533-9 


Good for him! A professor who got an assignment done, almost on time. 
That's unprecedented!


Seriously, if I had known how late these people are, I would have felt 
different about hustling to turn in assignments in college.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[Harry Veeder]

It seems to Google is complicit in the proliferation of youtube
hoaxers and scammers because they reward them with ad revenue.
Harry



On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:45 PM, David Roberson  wrote:
> Looking at the size and  shape of that motor drive circuit I would suspect
> that it is powered by high frequency RF if not faked.  One problem is that
> any single coil drive circuit will have at least one axis of zero coupling
> in space which did not appear in the video.  A complex system of drive coils
> can be arranged to eliminate the normal null, but this takes a bit more
> knowledge than this guy appears to posses. For this reason, I suspect that
> there is a battery hidden within the motor case that powers it.  Another guy
> demonstrated how this could be done in an earlier post.
>
> These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to
> the free energy cause.  We are overwhelmed by the number of idiots that put
> out this type of trash just to get hits on their sites.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mixent 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?
>
> In reply to  Brad Lowe's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:06:36 -0800:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>>Related: What makes this LED light?
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2t6Ujv3C4
>>
>>- Brad
> If I were going to fake it, I'd put a coil under the table top with AC
> running
> through it. Then you would have an air core transformer with the largest of
> the
> coils in the device.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[Teslaalset]

I live in Eindhoven, The Netherlands.

Rob


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:06 PM, P.J van Noorden wrote:

> **
> Hi Robbie,
>
> I registered late in the afternoon and got a welcome mail.
> It will be interesting to attend the colloquium..Are you also living in
> the Netherlands like me?
>
> Peter
>

RE: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[Arnaud Kodeck]

I might attend as well to this interresting colloquium and see M Biberian. I
will decide tomorrow.

 

Arnaud

  _  

From: P.J van Noorden [mailto:pjvannoor...@caiway.nl] 
Sent: mardi 15 janvier 2013 22:07
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

 

Hi Robbie,

 

I registered late in the afternoon and got a welcome mail.

It will be interesting to attend the colloquium..Are you also living in the
Netherlands like me?

 

Peter

- Original Message - 

From: Teslaalset   

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

 

Don't forget to register for this event, Peter. 

 

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:40 PM, P.J van Noorden 
wrote:

This link is hopefully correct

 

http://www.tue.nl/en/university/departments/electrical-engineering/departmen
t/news-and-press/calendar/colloquium-cold-fusion-2013

- Original Message - 

From: Jed Rothwell   

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 8:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

 

P.J van Noorden  wrote:

  

I just stumbled on this:

http://www.tue.nl/universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-
2013/

 

This link does not work for me.

 

Jean-Paul is writing a book about cold fusion. I guess he will present some
of material from it.

 

- Jed

 

 

Re: [Vo]:PRIMER FIELDS CORNY DODGE of MISINFORMATION/ Space-Time-Conquered and Shaking Current Theories to the Core.

[Gibson Elliot]

I checked out that primer and found it to be extremely interesting. Now 
obviously his credentials may be in question as in  
http://crackpotwatch.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/another-winner/ but that doesn't 
dismiss some beautiful exotic imagery. And well, the whole "he doesn't work at 
CERN" is a statement I at least cannot prove or disprove. 
 
Much of what he has shown, not said (believe it or not) conforms to my own 
modified view of physics. I would really like to see his explanation for how 
the cup shaped magnetic fields are created in space and at the atomic level. He 
completely ignores discussing what creates these magnetic fields. Duh- probably 
planned on it in later parts. I can olny guess and hope he shows more, even if 
only as food for thought.
 
In my model these fields do exist much like he expresses them in his graphic 
overlays. Fact is I have a 10 year old drwaing that illustrates the very 
configuration depicted around what we erroniouslty call a "black hole". Granted 
it doesn't happen instantaniously, and the model shows that the event goes from 
shperical  at low energy density levels to the dual toroidal fields as the 
thing evolves. 
 
I guess the final debate will be how these fields are created, axeo-dark-space 
or localized field flow, or some other thing, only time will tell. I am 
expecting the idea will be presented in a chicken/egg fasion where the 
perspective will be matter is organized by the magnetic field and the mqgnetic 
field is created by the matter. I do like elements of Jacks model and (again, 
believe it or not) I almost agree with him, in some of the interactions, 
however I do not have an ingress/egress mechanism. Just a basic localized flow 
or pattern existing in the usual media.
 
In the primer, the injection of high energy into the magnetic field is a 
vaulable way of showing the behavior of things in the fields that are naturally 
occurring, but all it does is illustrated the field effects. None of this 
explains how these magnetic fields are created. But I do have to say, it is 
very exciting to see this stuff.
 
Gibson
 


 From: Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 5:17 PM
Subject: [Vo]:PRIMER FIELDS CORNY DODGE of MISINFORMATION/ Space-Time-Conquered 
 and Shaking Current Theories to the Core.
  

 
SILENCE IS NOT GOLDEN but is rather PHONEY, & CHEAP, & WEAK, COWARDLY, & CRUD. 
. .
 
PAUL HARVEY:  The 'Rest' of the Story~:) ~This 'video' pretty well nailed it 
just TURN OFF THE LAME NARRATION! ~:)


So-called "confirmation bias" must have had some adaptive value.  I wonder what 
it was or perhaps even is?


(I had no problem believing that the videos were real and not fake, though, of 
course, some are "constructed." Not a problem.)

Bill gets it right. The "scientific" explorer works as hard as possible to 
*refute* the new discovery, and documents that work meticulously. Because the 
*mind* -- which very much wants to be "successful," and we love to be "right" 
-- will forget all contrary evidence and only remember confirmation.


The human mind is a pattern-recognition machine, a very efficient and powerful 
one. We can readily find patterns in random data. For a scientific theory, we 
must do more than see a pattern. We must then, from the pattern we have 
detected, make predictions that can test the pattern, and we must keep thinking 
about how we might be wrong, rather than about how we might be 
right.___
 
* * *VORTEX MES AMI ! ! !~:) !Spit on the monitor; I'm laughing out loud 
again!~:{D>typical of Tyson:  Neil De Grasse Tyson & NASA: tell the 'story' 
only INSIDE-OUT & BACKWARD & somewhat
out've the sides of their mouths:  THE IRONY & HYPERBOLE' HERE IS MASSIVE & 
EVEN CORNY! ! !
 
HOWEVER IF YOU KNOW THE WHOLE AEXO-DARK-SPACE 'Causation' of the 'EM-Bowel 
shaped 'PRIMER FIELDS' and it's AEXODARKSPACE-SOURCE; then the GLARINGLY 
OBVIOUS QUESTION:
 
?IF MASSIVE BOWELS magnetic fields are determining & shaping the relative 
gossimer-density of polarized EM-Plasma there in Space-Time-Normal: ? WHY THEN 
IN THE INVERSE does this MISLEADING you-tube PRIMER FIELDS PRESENTATION beg to 
mislead us SO DISENGENUOUSLY? ? ?  And the answering question is:  
 
?HEY OUT THERE IN SPACE WHERE ARE YOUR MASSIVE BOWELS?. . . DUH. . . . . The 
answer is 'Parallel-Parent Adjacent AexoDarkSpace.  And they purport to 
DISPROVE AexoDarkSpace/Black Holes(massively observed) and and ALL OF THE 
UBIQUITOUS Parallel & UniverseSURROUNDING AEXO-DARK-ENERGY INFLUENCE such as 
ACCELERATING GALAXIES that
GAMMA RAY BURSTER and are SWALLOWED by SURROUNDING Parent-Adjacent 
AEXODARKSPACE?!!?  Oops; forgot that one
huh!?
 
?Can anybody say, "HIDING THE TECHNOLOGY. . . . much. . . duh. . . and POORLY 
at tha

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[P.J van Noorden]

Hi Robbie,

I registered late in the afternoon and got a welcome mail.
It will be interesting to attend the colloquium..Are you also living in the 
Netherlands like me?

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: Teslaalset 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven


  Don't forget to register for this event, Peter. 



  On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:40 PM, P.J van Noorden  
wrote:

This link is hopefully correct


http://www.tue.nl/en/university/departments/electrical-engineering/department/news-and-press/calendar/colloquium-cold-fusion-2013
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jed Rothwell 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 8:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven


  P.J van Noorden  wrote:


I just stumbled on this:


http://www.tue.nl/universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-2013/


  This link does not work for me.


  Jean-Paul is writing a book about cold fusion. I guess he will present 
some of material from it.


  - Jed

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[James Bowery]

This guy reproduces the device using tiny batteries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRSGjC0K4bw&feature=youtu.be


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 1:45 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> Looking at the size and  shape of that motor drive circuit I would suspect
> that it is powered by high frequency RF if not faked.  One problem is that
> any single coil drive circuit will have at least one axis of zero coupling
> in space which did not appear in the video.  A complex system of drive
> coils can be arranged to eliminate the normal null, but this takes a bit
> more knowledge than this guy appears to posses. For this reason, I suspect
> that there is a battery hidden within the motor case that powers it.
>  Another guy demonstrated how this could be done in an earlier post.
>
>  These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are
> doing to the free energy cause.  We are overwhelmed by the number of idiots
> that put out this type of trash just to get hits on their sites.
>
>  Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mixent 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?
>
>  In reply to  Brad Lowe's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:06:36 -0800:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Related: What makes this LED light?
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2t6Ujv3C4
> >
> >- Brad
> If I were going to fake it, I'd put a coil under the table top with AC running
> through it. Then you would have an air core transformer with the largest of 
> the
> coils in the device.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[Teslaalset]

Don't forget to register for this event, Peter.


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:40 PM, P.J van Noorden wrote:

> **
> This link is hopefully correct
>
>
> http://www.tue.nl/en/university/departments/electrical-engineering/department/news-and-press/calendar/colloquium-cold-fusion-2013
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jed Rothwell 
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2013 8:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven
>
> P.J van Noorden  wrote:
>
>>
>> I just stumbled on this:
>>
>> http://www.tue.nl/**universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/**
>> agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-**2013/
>
>
> This link does not work for me.
>
> Jean-Paul is writing a book about cold fusion. I guess he will present
> some of material from it.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[David Roberson]

Looking at the size and  shape of that motor drive circuit I would suspect that 
it is powered by high frequency RF if not faked.  One problem is that any 
single coil drive circuit will have at least one axis of zero coupling in space 
which did not appear in the video.  A complex system of drive coils can be 
arranged to eliminate the normal null, but this takes a bit more knowledge than 
this guy appears to posses. For this reason, I suspect that there is a battery 
hidden within the motor case that powers it.  Another guy demonstrated how this 
could be done in an earlier post.


These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to 
the free energy cause.  We are overwhelmed by the number of idiots that put out 
this type of trash just to get hits on their sites.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: mixent 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?


In reply to  Brad Lowe's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:06:36 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Related: What makes this LED light?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2t6Ujv3C4
>
>- Brad
If I were going to fake it, I'd put a coil under the table top with AC running
through it. Then you would have an air core transformer with the largest of the
coils in the device.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html


 

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[P.J van Noorden]

This link is hopefully correct

http://www.tue.nl/en/university/departments/electrical-engineering/department/news-and-press/calendar/colloquium-cold-fusion-2013
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jed Rothwell 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 8:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven


  P.J van Noorden  wrote:

   
I just stumbled on this:


http://www.tue.nl/universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-2013/


  This link does not work for me.


  Jean-Paul is writing a book about cold fusion. I guess he will present some 
of material from it.


  - Jed

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[Teslaalset]

http://www.tue.nl/uploads/media/Cold_fusion_colloq_TUE_2013_invitation.pdf
I will attend as well.

The book of Jean-Paul has been published in last December:
" La fusion dans tous ses états "
Dr Jean-Paul BIBÉRIAN
ISBN : 978-2-8132-0533-9



Op dinsdag 15 januari 2013 schreef Jed Rothwell (jedrothw...@gmail.com) het
volgende:

> P.J van Noorden  'pjvannoor...@caiway.nl');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just stumbled on this:
>>
>> http://www.tue.nl/**universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/**
>> agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-**2013/
>
>
> This link does not work for me.
>
> Jean-Paul is writing a book about cold fusion. I guess he will present
> some of material from it.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?

[mixent]

In reply to  Brad Lowe's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:06:36 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Related: What makes this LED light?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2t6Ujv3C4
>
>- Brad
If I were going to fake it, I'd put a coil under the table top with AC running
through it. Then you would have an air core transformer with the largest of the
coils in the device.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[Jed Rothwell]

P.J van Noorden  wrote:

>
> I just stumbled on this:
>
> http://www.tue.nl/**universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/**
> agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-**2013/


This link does not work for me.

Jean-Paul is writing a book about cold fusion. I guess he will present some
of material from it.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[P.J van Noorden]

Jean-Paul Biberian will give an update overview of coldfusion research.

- Original Message - 
From: "P.J van Noorden" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:19 PM
Subject: [Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven



Hello Vortexians,

I just stumbled on this:

http://www.tue.nl/universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-2013/

Coincidentally I am in Eindhoven on that day, so I will attend the 
colloquium.


Peter v Noorden 

[Vo]:has anyone see Chasing Ice

[fznidarsic]

I missed it in the Pittsburgh area.  I will get he DVD.


http://www.chasingice.com/


Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:colloquium cold fusion 2013 in eindhoven

[P.J van Noorden]

Hello Vortexians,

I just stumbled on this:

http://www.tue.nl/universiteit/nieuws-en-pers/agenda/2013-01-21-cold-fusion-2013/

Coincidentally I am in Eindhoven on that day, so I will attend the 
colloquium.


Peter v Noorden 

Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> It was an intriguing read for MacDorman, who was building
> hyperrealistic androidsat the time. It warned that when artificial
> beings have a close human likeness, people will be repulsed. He and
> his colleagues worked up a quick English translation, dubbing the
> phenomenon the "uncanny valley" (see diagram).

Hyperlink to diagram:

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2899/28992101.jpg

Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances

[Terry Blanton]

This article is for private use of this mailing list only.  I have
included the entire article so that you do not have to register to
read it.  Registration is free, however, if you wish to do so.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21728992.100-freaky-feeling-why-androids-make-us-uneasy.html

Freaky feeling: Why androids make us uneasy

15 January 2013 by Joe Kloc
Magazine issue 2899.

EIGHT years ago, Karl MacDorman was working late at Osaka University
in Japan when, around 1 am, his fax machine sputtered into life. Out
came a 35-year-old essay, written in Japanese, sent by a colleague.

It was an intriguing read for MacDorman, who was building
hyperrealistic androidsat the time. It warned that when artificial
beings have a close human likeness, people will be repulsed. He and
his colleagues worked up a quick English translation, dubbing the
phenomenon the "uncanny valley" (see diagram).

They assumed their rough draft of this obscure essay would only
circulate among roboticists, but it caught the popular imagination.
Journalists used the uncanny valley to explain the lacklustre box
office performance of movies like Polar Express, in which audiences
were creeped out by the computer-generated stars. It was also blamed
for the failure of humanoid robots to catch on. Finding an explanation
for why the uncanny valley occurs, it seemed, would be worth millions
of dollars to Hollywood and the robotics industry. Yet when
researchers began to study the phenomenon, citing MacDorman's
translation as the definitive text, answers eluded them.

MacDorman now believes we have been looking at the uncanny valley too
simplistically, and he partly blames his own rushed translation. He
and others are converging on an explanation for what's actually going
on in the brain when you get that uncanny feeling. If correct, the
phenomenon is more complex than anyone realised, encompassing not only
our relationship with new technologies but also with each other.

While it's well known that abnormal facial and body features can make
people shun others, some researchers believe that human-like creations
unnerve us in a specific way. The essay that MacDorman read was
published in 1970 by roboticist Masahiro Mori. Entitled "Bukimi No
Tani" - or The Valley of Eeriness - it proposed that humanoid robots
can provoke a uniquely uncomfortable emotion that their mechanical
cousins do not.

For decades, few outside Japan were aware of Mori's theory. After
MacDorman's translation brought it to wider attention, his ideas were
extended to computer-generated human figures, and research began in
earnest into the uncanny valley's possible causes.

MacDorman's first paper on the subject examined an idea proposed by
Mori: that we feel uncomfortable because almost-human robots appear
dead, and thus remind us of our own mortality. To test this, MacDorman
used something called terror management theory. This suggests that
reminders of death govern much of our behaviour - including making us
cling more strongly to aspects of our own world view, such as
religious belief.

So MacDorman asked volunteers to fill in a questionnaire about their
world views after showing them photos of human-like robots. Sure
enough, those who had seen the robots were more defensive of their
view of the world than those who had not, hinting that the robots were
reminding people of death.

This explanation makes intuitive sense, given that some animated
characters and robots appear corpse-like. But even at the time it was
clear to MacDorman that the theory had its limits: reminding someone
of their own demise does not, on its own, elicit the uncanny response
people describe. A gravestone reminds us of death, for example, but it
doesn't make us feel the same specific emotion.

Competing theories soon emerged. Some researchers blamed our
evolutionary roots; we have always been primed to shun unattractive
mates, after all. Others blamed the established idea that we evolved
feelings of disgust to protect us from pathogens. Christian Keysers of
the University of Groningen in the Netherlands pointed out that
irregularities in an almost-human form make it look sick. Since
uncanny robots look very similar to us, he argued, we may
subconsciously believe we are at a higher risk of catching a disease
from them.

Again, both these theories are incomplete: many disgusting and
unattractive things do not, by themselves, elicit that specific
uncanny feeling. We know that somebody sneezing on the subway exposes
us to potentially dangerous pathogens, yet a subway ride is not an
uncanny experience. "There are too many theories," says MacDorman.
"The field is getting messy, further away from science."

The first clue there was something more complex going on came when
neuroscientists began to explore what might be happening in the brain.
In 2007, Thierry Chaminade of the Advanced Telecommunications Research
Institute in Kyoto, Japan, and colleagues presented people with a
series of computer-gener

Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances

[Terry Blanton]

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> But
> then it occurs to you that he looks very much like a little kid pretending
> to have all of those emotions, which is impressive in its own way.

And, if you go to the TED site mentioned in the video caption, you
will see that they are programming these robots to express based upon
their observations of the facial expressions of their observed human
partner!