Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Daniel Rocha]

Try to imagine:

Politics without money.


2013/9/10 Eric Walker 

> States should not allow funding to come in from other states.  Here in
> California we see some really funny ballot propositions funded by people in
> other states, who are trying to influence politics here.  Money is the
> source of all evil in politics.
>
> --
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Eric Walker]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:39 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

Pro-Walker Outside-of-the-state financial campaign funds went
> obscenely through the roof in an effort to assure that their favorite
> conservative would remain in the seat.
>

I have no opinion about Scott Walker, except that he has a nice last name.

States should not allow funding to come in from other states.  Here in
California we see some really funny ballot propositions funded by people in
other states, who are trying to influence politics here.  Money is the
source of all evil in politics.

Eric

[Vo]:The sea urchin particle

[Axil Axil]

http://phys.org/news/2013-09-accidental-nanoparticle-discovery-hail-revolution.html

*Accidental nanoparticle discovery could hail revolution in manufacturing*


Conformant with the principles of Nanoplasmonics, the optimum
micro-particle shape to support LENR is the sea urchin particle. This
description of the particle as sea urchins comes from their characteristic
spiny appearance; the particles consist of nanotubes filled with iron, with
equal lengths pointing outwards in all directions from a central particle.

Dr Baxendale states: "We were surprised to see this rare kind of iron
inside the nanotubes. While we don't know much about its behavior, we can
see that the presence of this small fraction of iron greatly influences the
magnetic properties of the nanoparticle."

This understanding about the magnetic behavior of the particle might well
be falsely attributed to its iron content.
The sea urchin topology and its associated strong LENR based nature could
be producing its magnetic effect (anaopole ?) even in the absence of heat
and hydrogen dielectric.

LENR developers should make an attempt to use nickel to fill the carbon
nanotubes instead of iron and to also attempt to coat the carbon nanotubes
with a covering of Ni64 and/or Ni62.

Nickel vapor disposition could easily coat the particle’s carbon nanowire
projections.

I recommend that is type particle and its various possible nickel variants
be tested extensively for LENR activity.

Re: [Vo]:FYI: A more efficient means of hydrogen production...

[Ron Wormus]

Mark,
I am reading Dr. Pollaks book (4th Phase of Water) now and highly 
recommend it. It seems quite possible that many of his insights are 
applicable to LENR.


The book is an easy read with a lot of experimental explanation.
Ron

--On Monday, September 09, 2013 9:43 PM -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 wrote:





FYI:

"…the research team managed to assemble what they describe as a
'cocktail' of enzymes, all with desirable properties, that resulted
in a reaction that yields more than three times the hydrogen of what a
single microorganism could achieve on its own."

http://www.catalyst-commercial.co.uk/is-this-the-hydrogen-breakthrough-a
lternative-energy-has-been-waiting-for



"So, for the first time, low-energy waste heat from other reactions
can be used to create new hydrogen – resulting in an energy efficiency
of over 100%."





And for any newcomers who have not heard of Dr. Gerald Pollack and the
4th Phase of Water, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q33KyLkP_Rg



-Mark Iverson

[Vo]:plasmonics Demonstrate New Method for Harvesting Energy from Light

[Roarty, Francis X]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130909131230.htm

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Alain Sepeda]

record is easy since there is an average increase of temperature since 200
years.

there is global warming since 1800. OK.
it was not anthropic until 1950 says IPCC... why not.

today it is flat... it was similarly flat around 1940 (and IPCC pretended
to understand why, ah ah),  ok mean nothing, else the model are wrong... I
have no doubt the climate model cannot be good. I've tuned models and
climate model are house of cards in the wind. All in fact is on an assumed
sensibility, and models are tweaked around that, and fudged to match
data... too many parameters to mean anything.

what I know is that this kind of arguments, like many I see, are gross
manipulation.
They are prostituting science, like what Taubes&al did when applying free
space physics to a lattice.
I agree that beside a handful of serious mild heretic climatologists like
Pielke and Curry, most opponents play the same stupid game. It is easy to
fight those consenting strawmen... Like when LENR opponents insults some
fringe theories or loose demo.

Read Judith Curry, a climatologist of IPCC network, oceanologist, competent
in uncertainty and modelization, ... you will see the horror of
manipulation, and the evidence of no evidence...

arctic is record big, for local cause (ocean oscillation)... this year in
France have been very cold and wet, despite doom prediction, and asymmetric
informations...

IPCC say that no trend on extreme event can bu guessed from todays data,
and we find none, whatever the extremist says.
Like ERAB and DoE panel, IPCC is admitting many facts beside the executive
summary... not all, but enough to wash most media coverage.

I see those horror in few domain of science, typically to promote fear.
Fear, and recent war show it well, are very powerful and deadly engine to
push people to surrender their humanity, their intelligence, their freedom.

We are living in a climate of fear... of terror...

I hope LENR can clean that climate of fear, and launch the 21st Century
wave... the Maslow window of 2015...

I just hope we will stop talking of that soon... and that peace will came
in the families on that subject.


2013/9/10 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson 

> It's September 10 in Madison, Wisconsin, and the high for today is
> predicted
> to reach 92 degrees. It reached well over 90 degrees yesterday. Humid too.
>
> It's September, and we're experiencing July & August highs.
>
> I've lived in Madison since 1967. I don't recall it being this hot so late
> into September. Weather in Madison for the last two years have been weird.
> Lots of fluctuations.
>
> 
>
> I think it's God punishing Wisconsin voters for not only electing Scott
> Walker for Governor, but failing to remove him during the failed recall
> attempt. Pro-Walker Outside-of-the-state financial campaign funds went
> obscenely through the roof in an effort to assure that their favorite
> conservative would remain in the seat.
>
> And so go the temperatures.
>
> God watched it all, and now's She's pissed.
>
>  ;-)
>
> 
>
> It's my understanding that Global warming models predict a lot of unusual
> weather patterns. That seems to be proving out in Madison.
>
> I believe the Farmer's Almanac predicts a harsh winter, too. We'll see...
>
> Regards,
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> svjart.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
> tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Craig]

On 09/10/2013 08:39 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
> It's September 10 in Madison, Wisconsin, and the high for today is predicted
> to reach 92 degrees. It reached well over 90 degrees yesterday. Humid too.
>
> It's September, and we're experiencing July & August highs.
>
> I've lived in Madison since 1967. I don't recall it being this hot so late
> into September. Weather in Madison for the last two years have been weird.
> Lots of fluctuations.
>
>

The record high for Madison, WI, yesterday was 97 in 1955.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/index.php?wfo=mkx

Craig

RE: [Vo]:Global warming...

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

It's September 10 in Madison, Wisconsin, and the high for today is predicted
to reach 92 degrees. It reached well over 90 degrees yesterday. Humid too.

It's September, and we're experiencing July & August highs.

I've lived in Madison since 1967. I don't recall it being this hot so late
into September. Weather in Madison for the last two years have been weird.
Lots of fluctuations.



I think it's God punishing Wisconsin voters for not only electing Scott
Walker for Governor, but failing to remove him during the failed recall
attempt. Pro-Walker Outside-of-the-state financial campaign funds went
obscenely through the roof in an effort to assure that their favorite
conservative would remain in the seat. 

And so go the temperatures.

God watched it all, and now's She's pissed.

 ;-)



It's my understanding that Global warming models predict a lot of unusual
weather patterns. That seems to be proving out in Madison.

I believe the Farmer's Almanac predicts a harsh winter, too. We'll see...

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Alain Sepeda]

Oil industry is not holly, this is why they fund such NGO.

The climate skeptic battle is not pushed by big corps, at most funded by
few rich individual and by some maverick politicians.

that does not remove the fact that beside the big money, the big political
battle between modern NGO and old politicians, there have been clear,
public, manipulation of scientific method, clear symptom of groupthink...
the same I observed against LENR. The same which are detailed ar symptom of
Groupthink.

http://frrl.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/group-think-how-to-avoid-common-decision-making-traps/
read old article of Judith curry about here experience in IPCC network.
read her papers on uncertainty.


what I say about greenpeace is reported by few founder of greenpeace... too
much money... they are getting ballistic, crazy, fundamentalist, like a
rich religion (I would say the Saudi of Green). Maybe their official mother
house is paid by individual, like a church is, but (and it is harder to
publish it than to accuse oil industry) there are network subsidiaries ,
paid by state subsidies(in France some research funding is paid to their
satellites, when it is not universities who are built for their ideas) , by
gasprom, and by industrials (like BP, some to buy quietness, some to buy
advantages)...

we should stop being naive on any camp.

just see the budget of their websites since 5 years...
skeptic sites just starts to know what is a webdesigner. Maybe at last they
get some budget.

they are in the same state as cold fusion.

and the harassment against dissenters, the smear campaign like that remind
me cold fusion, if not worse...

Scientifically I'm open, (which is already forbidden by law according to
them) but I'm sure it stinks.
On both side I agree.

I just hope they don't make my head explode as they suggested. on 10/10/10,
that they dont send me on the moon, or on artic ice, like what pachauri
proposed.

It stinks. whatever is the reality. it stinks.



2013/9/10 John Berry 

> The difference surely is the motive?
>
> Much of the money raised by Green Peace and WWF is donated by hard working
> individuals altruistically to protect the earth ans all life forms on it.
>
> Money donated by these groups is out of self interest to continue
> polluting for profit.
>
> If that seems the same to anyone, then I guess we are a different species.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
>> VS. Nearly 1 trillion on oil industries and expenses on defense!
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/10 Alain Sepeda 
>>
>>> note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year,
>>> plus benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
>>> green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN research funding focused now
>>> on that (to a point it is ridiculous)...
>>>
>> --
>> Daniel Rocha - RJ
>> danieldi...@gmail.com
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:[OT]False Flag attack on Israel plot discovered...

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 2:36 AM, John Berry  wrote:
> http://www.activistpost.com/2013/09/urgent-false-flag-involving-israel-to.html

Please label these off-topic posts accordingly so that filters of the
uninterested may route them appropriately.

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[John Berry]

As was I, or at least I meant to.
Gmail hides the quoted text and I was not careful enough to reply to the
right email.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

> I was answering Alain.
>
>
> 2013/9/10 John Berry 
>
>> The difference surely is the motive?
>>
>> Much of the money raised by Green Peace and WWF is donated by hard
>> working individuals altruistically to protect the earth ans all life forms
>> on it.
>>
>> Money donated by these groups is out of self interest to continue
>> polluting for profit.
>>
>> If that seems the same to anyone, then I guess we are a different species.
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Daniel Rocha]

I was answering Alain.


2013/9/10 John Berry 

> The difference surely is the motive?
>
> Much of the money raised by Green Peace and WWF is donated by hard working
> individuals altruistically to protect the earth ans all life forms on it.
>
> Money donated by these groups is out of self interest to continue
> polluting for profit.
>
> If that seems the same to anyone, then I guess we are a different species.
>
>
>
-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[John Berry]

The difference surely is the motive?

Much of the money raised by Green Peace and WWF is donated by hard working
individuals altruistically to protect the earth ans all life forms on it.

Money donated by these groups is out of self interest to continue polluting
for profit.

If that seems the same to anyone, then I guess we are a different species.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

> VS. Nearly 1 trillion on oil industries and expenses on defense!
>
>
> 2013/9/10 Alain Sepeda 
>
>> note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year, plus
>> benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
>> green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN research funding focused now
>> on that (to a point it is ridiculous)...
>>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Daniel Rocha]

VS. Nearly 1 trillion on oil industries and expenses on defense!


2013/9/10 Alain Sepeda 

> note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year, plus
> benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
> green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN research funding focused now
> on that (to a point it is ridiculous)...
>
-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Global warming...

[Alain Sepeda]

note that WWF+Greenpeace+(earth friend?) is worth 1Billion per year, plus
benevolent and free journalists. You can add to that all the
green-business, renewable energies, EU and UN research funding focused now
on that (to a point it is ridiculous)...

I won't even be surprised if the guardian was not relaying unverified data,
lying and exaggerating, knowing that no opposition could talk in public. I
don't see the 100milion in the ridiculously underfunded critics I see.
Florida sugar industry is better funded.

I agree there are clear errors in many climatoskeptics claims.

however there are clear frauds, lies, overs confidence, manipulation of
peer review, terrorism against dissenters, vested interest, trillions of
investment, on warming side.

guess why they don't start the temperature in 1800 ? because it will be
clear it is warming  (yest it, denialist are wrong) as usual since 200
years, with regular pause, like in the 40s, or now.

the situation is complicated, and like on cold fusion we should be careful
when there are trillion of business, billion of research, ideology not far
from religion, over funded NGO, call to burn and ban the dissenters as
fraudsters.

What happen to report41 and Oriani, happened many time because of IPCC
no-dissenting-allowed policy, enforced again by nature&Science, and proven
by Climategate, which as an IT expert I'm convinced is an internal leak by
a Snowden/Banning of climate.

I follow Judith Curry who was consensual until she realized she have broken
her ethic for the good of "the team". Her position is moderate, it is that
this claims are over confident, and that very few can be said.

today the mainstream climatologist (not the public evangelist, who like the
Pope will be the last to admit facts) start to push that
- the climate sensibility was exaggerated by a factor 2 (already much lower
than what doomers say to media)
- the models are all wrong, definitively wrong
- they underestimate factors that the skeptics were pushing since long (a
little too much I agree, but they face facine equally dishonest bias by
mainstream).
- there are better solution that the one that have been pushed since long

all that domain is rotten. rotten like big physics, like politics, like
NGO, like big science, like big funding, like greenenergy fashion, like
media...

they may be right, but by accident.

the oil companies fund the IPCC and greenpeace (call that Stockholm
syndrom, racket or submission to the real power). if billionaires fund
anti-IPCC association, it is because companies can only fund IPCC-friend of
be accused of crime against humanity.

"Type I: Overestimations of the group — its power and morality

   1. *Illusions of invulnerability* creating excessive optimism and
   encouraging risk taking.
   2. *Unquestioned belief* in the morality of the group, causing members
   to ignore the consequences of their actions.

Type II: Closed-mindedness

   1. 
*Rationalizing
warnings* that might challenge the group's assumptions.
   2. *Stereotyping * those who
   are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or
   stupid.

Type III: Pressures toward uniformity

   1. *Self-censorship * of
   ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
   2. *Illusions of unanimity* among group members, silence is viewed as
   agreement.
   3. *Direct pressure* to conform placed on any member who questions the
   group, couched in terms of "disloyalty"
   4. *Mind guards*— self-appointed members who shield the group from
   dissenting information.

Groupthink, resulting from the symptoms listed above, results in defective
decision-making. That is, consensus-driven decisions are the result of the
following practices of
groupthinking[11]

   1. Incomplete survey of alternatives
   2. Incomplete survey of objectives
   3. Failure to examine risks of preferred choice
   4. Failure to reevaluate previously rejected alternatives
   5. Poor information search
   6. Selection bias  in
   collecting information
   7. Failure to work out contingency plans."


if you follow the controversy you see exactly that.
ask Judith Curry, she describe all for that from inside.
what Climategate express is nothing else.
add some public claims to put the last nail on the coffin

anyway, LENR solve all.



2013/9/10 John Berry 

> First I saw this, how attractive to think that maybe global warming isn't
> happening...
>
>
> http://www.naturalnews.com/041981_global_warming_computer_models_cooling.html
>
> But that seemed like a fantasy, and I saw:
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions
>
> How do these global warming deniers exist?  See:
>
> http://www.t

[Vo]:Global warming...

[John Berry]

First I saw this, how attractive to think that maybe global warming isn't
happening...

http://www.naturalnews.com/041981_global_warming_computer_models_cooling.html

But that seemed like a fantasy, and I saw:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions

How do these global warming deniers exist?  See:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/14/funding-climate-change-denial-thinktanks-network

As for what should happen to the people who fund such propaganda, well I
think the French did a bit of it in their revolution.