RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:more on EM drive
Robin, Ok, but I would assume the thrust vector is constant relative to the device not related to the direction of orbit..or are you suggesting the force is limited to exploiting ambient gravitational field [eliminating applications for extra-solar propulsion? Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:more on EM drive In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:41:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/ The geometric mean of the Earth's rotation speed and it speed around the Sun is 3714 m/s. If you divide 2.5 kW by 720 mN, you get a speed of 3472 m/s, which is 93.5% of the former. (fun with numbers ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:more on EM drive
Nice citation Axil, It doesn’t indicate whether the device was sealed so I will assume it was not and that my theory requiring ambient gases loaded into the cavity lattice were wrong. I still think the basis is relativistic and that mainstream supposition that the ether is frameless has at least one caveat wrt to “joined” relativistic frames – In the Paradox twin there is little possibility of exploiting or even measuring differentials other than post experimental comparison of elapsed time, but, in Shawyers proposal the ether is suppressed not compressed and there is no no need for the near C spatial displacements – in fact, from our perspective the device remains spatially stationary while inside the cavity a river of tiny “virtual” observers would constantly see walls of the cavity falling away just like the near C twin would see a stationary frame contract away in a Pythagorean relationship to dx/dt – only without dx. IMHO the Shawyer drive, Casimir /nano powders and skeletal catalysts are all facets of what Hal Puthoff coined as vacuum engineering. If so then Casimir effect may have to be recast as time dilation of longer vacuum wavelengths instead of prohibiting their presence[larger vp still present between Casimir plates but Lorentz contracted]. Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 9:41 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:more on EM drive http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/
[Vo]:Keeleynet Airbus Discussion
*04/09/15 - Discussion of Airbus LENR Patent http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/29/discussion-of-airbus-lenr-patent-on-linkedin/* A few interesting points come up in the comments. For example, Rob Woudenberg writes: I’ve read this patent application in more details as well meanwhile. They claim some interesting (new) methodologies. One is the preparation of nickel powder using Surface Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS), the other is the use of electromagnetic pulsation of which not much details are revealed. They refer to the patent application of Pekka Soininen (Etiam Oy), which describes electromagnetic field generation by nano or micrometer scale local discharge of pyro and/or piezo electric material. Heinz G. Sonnenberg comments: The Airbus patent specifies the minimum temperature which is absolutely required to prevent hazardous radiation. To my understanding, such a strong statement in a patent can only be made based on extensive measurements. These measurements imply that Airbus must have such devices in their hands. If Airbus is really involved in serious LENR RD it would be a significant development, and a signal that behind the scenes large companies are paying close attention to the field and preparing for its emergence. At this point, however, we can’t be sure of much that is going on unless the company makes public comment on the matter. We know that Airbus representatives will be at the April 10 LENR-Cities meeting in Milan, and perhaps we will hear more from them there.*04/09/15 - Discussion of Airbus LENR Patent http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/03/29/discussion-of-airbus-lenr-patent-on-linkedin/* A few interesting points come up in the comments. For example, Rob Woudenberg writes: I’ve read this patent application in more details as well meanwhile. They claim some interesting (new) methodologies. One is the preparation of nickel powder using Surface Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS), the other is the use of electromagnetic pulsation of which not much details are revealed. They refer to the patent application of Pekka Soininen (Etiam Oy), which describes electromagnetic field generation by nano or micrometer scale local discharge of pyro and/or piezo electric material. Heinz G. Sonnenberg comments: The Airbus patent specifies the minimum temperature which is absolutely required to prevent hazardous radiation. To my understanding, such a strong statement in a patent can only be made based on extensive measurements. These measurements imply that Airbus must have such devices in their hands. If Airbus is really involved in serious LENR RD it would be a significant development, and a signal that behind the scenes large companies are paying close attention to the field and preparing for its emergence. At this point, however, we can’t be sure of much that is going on unless the company makes public comment on the matter. We know that Airbus representatives will be at the April 10 LENR-Cities meeting in Milan, and perhaps we will hear more from them there.
Re: [Vo]:Keeleynet Airbus Discussion
Nice link and ideas-- Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 10:58 AM Subject: [Vo]:Keeleynet Airbus Discussion 04/09/15 - Discussion of Airbus LENR Patent A few interesting points come up in the comments. For example, Rob Woudenberg writes: I’ve read this patent application in more details as well meanwhile. They claim some interesting (new) methodologies. One is the preparation of nickel powder using Surface Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS), the other is the use of electromagnetic pulsation of which not much details are revealed. They refer to the patent application of Pekka Soininen (Etiam Oy), which describes electromagnetic field generation by nano or micrometer scale local discharge of pyro and/or piezo electric material. Heinz G. Sonnenberg comments: The Airbus patent specifies the minimum temperature which is absolutely required to prevent hazardous radiation. To my understanding, such a strong statement in a patent can only be made based on extensive measurements. These measurements imply that Airbus must have such devices in their hands. If Airbus is really involved in serious LENR RD it would be a significant development, and a signal that behind the scenes large companies are paying close attention to the field and preparing for its emergence. At this point, however, we can’t be sure of much that is going on unless the company makes public comment on the matter. We know that Airbus representatives will be at the April 10 LENR-Cities meeting in Milan, and perhaps we will hear more from them there.04/09/15 - Discussion of Airbus LENR Patent A few interesting points come up in the comments. For example, Rob Woudenberg writes: I’ve read this patent application in more details as well meanwhile. They claim some interesting (new) methodologies. One is the preparation of nickel powder using Surface Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS), the other is the use of electromagnetic pulsation of which not much details are revealed. They refer to the patent application of Pekka Soininen (Etiam Oy), which describes electromagnetic field generation by nano or micrometer scale local discharge of pyro and/or piezo electric material. Heinz G. Sonnenberg comments: The Airbus patent specifies the minimum temperature which is absolutely required to prevent hazardous radiation. To my understanding, such a strong statement in a patent can only be made based on extensive measurements. These measurements imply that Airbus must have such devices in their hands. If Airbus is really involved in serious LENR RD it would be a significant development, and a signal that behind the scenes large companies are paying close attention to the field and preparing for its emergence. At this point, however, we can’t be sure of much that is going on unless the company makes public comment on the matter. We know that Airbus representatives will be at the April 10 LENR-Cities meeting in Milan, and perhaps we will hear more from them there.
[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Start of CSN Notes;July 1st, 1899
Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances
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tesl...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Thanx to Father Dest who submitted this URL to pupman tesla list. The
following initial statement turns out to be somewhat prophetic concerning the
present work on the field self feedback loop.Colorado Springs Notes - July
1-31, 1899 (a)
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The same is assumed to be connected in the circuit in any way but so that the
charging or discharging of the condenser is controlled by a sensitive device
affected by the feeble effects which are to be magnified.The feeble effects
to be magnified in this case becomes the pre-existant output of the three
phase alternator created by remanent magnetism of the iron pole face field
rotor, combined with the parametric aspect of a changing inductive reactance
over time caused by the central open gap of the dual pole faces rotating
underneath the silicone steel 3 phase stator windings. In this 2nd
experimental embodiment of using air core three phase secondary coils to
control the field current itself nothing is written in stone at all, and the
past history of the magnetic action determines the future action. In a nutshell
in Greece the partisans teamed with the communists to defeat the fascists, but
then fought themselves long after WWII ended. And when the bastards of Bastogne
were told to surrender the commander sent the message back as nuts. And here
you have a situation that seems to deliver different results with identical
input parameters so it is a very nutty unpredictable thing dealing with the
effects of this DC pulsed feedback loop. Things might not be so nutty if the
self feedback DC pulse to field were minimized by adding a capacitive filter
across the DC voltage given back to the field. There is possibly a world of
exploration opening up here, and as Sherlock Holmes said to Watson; the game is
afoot sir...666 Machine Field self feedback loop with xenon bulb load Stacks of
plastic checkers hold the twin seriesed resonant secondaries above in space
across 120 degree phased 666 machine poles. This establishes a 6 volt input
sporadically lighting a 12 inch xenon bulb load.https://youtu.be/NvySDoEQXls
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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:more on EM drive
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +: Hi Fran, Truth be told, I don't really know what I'm suggesting, if anything. As I said fun with numbers. It could be a coincidence, or not. However, if it's not, then the implication would indeed appear to be that the field distortion that produces the thrust is related to the disturbance of space time accompanying the Earth's motion (frame dragging?) Robin, Ok, but I would assume the thrust vector is constant relative to the device not related to the direction of orbit..or are you suggesting the force is limited to exploiting ambient gravitational field [eliminating applications for extra-solar propulsion? Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 11:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:more on EM drive In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:41:19 -0400: Hi, [snip] http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/ The geometric mean of the Earth's rotation speed and it speed around the Sun is 3714 m/s. If you divide 2.5 kW by 720 mN, you get a speed of 3472 m/s, which is 93.5% of the former. (fun with numbers ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:DAILY LENR INFO PLUS SKETCH OF PLAN
Dear Friends, Here http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/04/we-have-to-predict-what-happens-in-lenr.html you can read about what has happened in LENR plus about some old tired ideas rejuvenated by surgery.Enjoy- in the coming month a multitude of events will captivate your attention and time. Or still not. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
