Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
Where do the neutrons come from? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:27:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] How do these theories explain a 100 micro nickel particle that is almost pure Ni62? The key to the correct LENR theory is through an explanation of that particle. I already provided a possible explanation of that with the neutron transfer reactions I posted some time ago. Those reactions also disposed of the reaction energy in the form of slow moving heavy nuclei (hence little or no secondary radiation). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: How does the center of the nickel particle get their share of neutrons that hardly move, that is neutrons with no energy, IIRC, we don't know enough to say the nickel particle was 7Li throughout. I'm also open to the possibility that this particle was not a result of a LENR process. (Also, the method of the Lugano report has been badly discredited, so its findings are shaky.) Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
What keeps this particle from interacting with the atoms on the outer region of the nickel particle more than the inner section of the nickel particle? More Ni64 should have been found on the outside of the particle and more Ni58 should have been fount at the center of the particle. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:19:35 -0400: Hi, [snip] So the neutrons reside on the surface of the Nickel particle. How do they get into the middle of the nickel particle? The Lithium is combined with Hydrinos to make either a small neutral particle, or as a negative ion that is actually attracted to Ni nuclei. The whole construct is smaller and denser than a Hydrogen atom, so it can easily migrate through the interstitial gaps in a metal lattice. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:27:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] How do these theories explain a 100 micro nickel particle that is almost pure Ni62? The key to the correct LENR theory is through an explanation of that particle. I already provided a possible explanation of that with the neutron transfer reactions I posted some time ago. Those reactions also disposed of the reaction energy in the form of slow moving heavy nuclei (hence little or no secondary radiation). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:04:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] Where do the neutrons come from? Li7. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:27:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] How do these theories explain a 100 micro nickel particle that is almost pure Ni62? The key to the correct LENR theory is through an explanation of that particle. I already provided a possible explanation of that with the neutron transfer reactions I posted some time ago. Those reactions also disposed of the reaction energy in the form of slow moving heavy nuclei (hence little or no secondary radiation). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
Your point is if the experimental result does not fit the theory, then ignore or discount the experimental result. This sounds just like the process that the naysayes use to ignore LENR. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: How does the center of the nickel particle get their share of neutrons that hardly move, that is neutrons with no energy, IIRC, we don't know enough to say the nickel particle was 7Li throughout. I'm also open to the possibility that this particle was not a result of a LENR process. (Also, the method of the Lugano report has been badly discredited, so its findings are shaky.) Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:19:35 -0400: Hi, [snip] So the neutrons reside on the surface of the Nickel particle. How do they get into the middle of the nickel particle? The Lithium is combined with Hydrinos to make either a small neutral particle, or as a negative ion that is actually attracted to Ni nuclei. The whole construct is smaller and denser than a Hydrogen atom, so it can easily migrate through the interstitial gaps in a metal lattice. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
How does the center of the nickel particle get their share of neutrons that hardly move, that is neutrons with no energy, On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: How do these theories explain a 100 micro nickel particle that is almost pure Ni62? The key to the correct LENR theory is through an explanation of that particle. I personally like Robin's 7Li neutron transfer explanation in this particular case. Rather than a hydrino hydride, I like to think that the neutron stripping is a result of the Oppenheimer-Philiips process, where an accelerated 7Li orients in such a way that a neutron faces the target nickel nucleus in order to get any protons as far away from the positively charged target nucleus as possible. My hunch is that the acceleration comes from sporadic electric arcing. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
So the neutrons reside on the surface of the Nickel particle. How do they get into the middle of the nickel particle? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:04:10 -0400: Hi, [snip] Where do the neutrons come from? Li7. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:01 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:27:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] How do these theories explain a 100 micro nickel particle that is almost pure Ni62? The key to the correct LENR theory is through an explanation of that particle. I already provided a possible explanation of that with the neutron transfer reactions I posted some time ago. Those reactions also disposed of the reaction energy in the form of slow moving heavy nuclei (hence little or no secondary radiation). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: How do these theories explain a 100 micro nickel particle that is almost pure Ni62? The key to the correct LENR theory is through an explanation of that particle. I personally like Robin's 7Li neutron transfer explanation in this particular case. Rather than a hydrino hydride, I like to think that the neutron stripping is a result of the Oppenheimer-Philiips process, where an accelerated 7Li orients in such a way that a neutron faces the target nickel nucleus in order to get any protons as far away from the positively charged target nucleus as possible. My hunch is that the acceleration comes from sporadic electric arcing. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Missing (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/MoonModel_F04.pdf Article goes into some molecular magnetism theories, see ending of paper in section 4.Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ On Saturday, July 11, 2015 2:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This experiment shows what happens when a lot of matter is packed into a small volume of space. This situation is the play ground of quantum mechanics where its weird nature comes to the fore and the uncertainty principle is enhanced. There is a increase in the superposition of particles and the entanglement of their properties. It took science 50 years to determine the nuclear spin of Pu239 because of the changing nature of the makeup of the Pu239 nucleus. In this highly condensed state of matter, protons and neutrons are the same particle in a superposition. The properties of the particles that compile the nucleus behave as if they were waves in the ocean. These variations in spin, charge, and energies are reflected in the behavior of the electrons that orbit the nucleus. This is why the theories of Norman D. Cook and A. Rossi do not correspond to the real quantum mechanical nature of the nucleus. Protons and neutrons are not cue balls that stay put in a fixed location in space. These particles are sometimes protons and sometimes neutrons and oftentimes both protons and neutrons together. The more mass that is packed into a given volume of space, the weirder things get. The research recently done in heavy element collisions show that the combined nucleus behaves like a perfect liquid. So much matter is packed into a suxh a small volume that matter becomes a soup where all particles lose there individuality. On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This research “could have” relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is merely the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine Jhttp://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.htmlOne aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) – and it can be stated this way: there is a parameter called “hidden magnetic flux” which is a rapid natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure level; and this rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements and alloys, besides plutonium, including mu metals. For instance, a broader interpretation of this RD could (in the future) help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux… and more.Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, could be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In short, the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon in play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR.The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of differing numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence electron count is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in physics). Conventional EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted long ago that the element plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering, like iron. However, no evidence for that magnetic ordering has been found until 70 years later – and only recently has plutonium's missing magnetism been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW – it is temporary and oscillating without external input. This could be the kind of breakthrough in understanding of a number of unrelated systems.Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux, making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic locally. This has potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen at the atomic level, and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there could easily be other alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing valence) and which would then be poised to moderate the movement of dissolved atomic hydrogen. For instance, nickel has a known but rarely encountered feature of several transition metals – hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is not oscillating (normally) ... except… perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, where the crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of valence on a short time scale.It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state, H2, to its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to extreme susceptibility. This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron
Re: [Vo]:Zero point energy in LENR
The fact that a virtual horizon not linked to absolute impossibility but to practical impossibility, remind me the discussion of MiHsC creator (M McCulloch) about the Unruh radiation. event horizon seems very concrete in fact... 2015-07-15 2:04 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com:
Re: [Vo]:LENR thoughts and Info for Jul. 15, 2015
Regarding catalytic action and HHO. LENR is basically a catalytic reaction. In the Rossi reaction, the nickel powder is a Commercial Off the Shell (COTS) catalytic product. What makes LENR powerful and capable of over unity power production is the addition of an amplifier of the catalytic action. For example, Rossi calls this amplifier his “secret sauce”. So LENR is a two step process like an multi stage rocket. The first stage will not get us to where we want to go. We need the booster stage to get into the over unity power zone. That booster is a mechanism to initially produce and then regenerate nanoparticles through dynamic chemical and/of plasma condensation processes. These particles add power to the LENR catalytic reaction through a nano optical amplification process. For example, electric arc and/or exploding wire experiments produce nanoparticles through plasma condensation. The catalyst must burn nanoparticles to get its power generation level into the over unity zone. In the case of HHO, a catalatic converter will produce heat by combining oxygen and hydrogen but it will not reach the over unity zone. A nanoparticle booster must be added. Nanoparticles of water must be created in sufficient quantities to boost the activity of the catalytic converter to over unity. The way to produce nanoparticles in water is to cavitate it or to expose it to an electric arc. Cavitation is the most effecent way to produce water nanoparticles. After a prolonged period of cavitation, this nanoparticle enriched water when it is chock full of nanoparticles can be used as a feedstock into a catalytic process to extract over unity energy. This is how Joe Papp produced his secret fuel. His trick was to produce nanoparticles of water and in a latter improvement, nanoparticles of noble gases to get his fuel to over unity levels. Santelli produces nanoparticles in his special hydrogen gas by decomposing oil waste in an electric arc. That hydrogen gas contains nanoparticles. Rossi gets into the over unity zone by using a secret sauce to produce nanoparticles of lithium and hydrogen to boost the activity of his nickel catalyst. This is why the nickel particles in the ash produced in the Lugano demo was completely covered with lithium. That lithium came from the residue of nanoparticles of lithium that exist at high temperatures. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Here: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/possibly-new-trend-in-lenr-plus-bit.html Tomorrow we will say more Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:LENR thoughts and Info for Jul. 15, 2015
Here: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/possibly-new-trend-in-lenr-plus-bit.html Tomorrow we will say more Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:25:50 -0500: Hi Eric, I realize what you meant, but during normal decay reactions, the energy is not shared with an ensemble of electrons, so why would this case be special? On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:40 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If the ensemble is large, even a reaction with 20+ MeV can be quickly and quietly dissipated in the production of x-rays. If this happened, the daughter alpha itself might have little to no kinetic energy. [snip] I see no reason why this should be the case when it is clearly not the case for normal decay reactions. The idea was that if the momentum is imparted to the ensemble of electrons, since the electrons are so light, their share of the energy of the reaction would be the overwhelming majority, with little energy left over for the kinetic energy of the alpha particle. Eric Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I realize what you meant, but during normal decay reactions, the energy is not shared with an ensemble of electrons, so why would this case be special? I'm not really sure. There's just enough of doubt on my part about the applicability of known behavior to this specific situation that I don't write off the possibility. Here are some potential explanations: - In the case of a short-lived nuclear transition yielding a gamma that occurs from the rearranging of nucleons, the nucleons reside in a field of strong positive charge, despite the presence of an electron cloud (I suspect). Perhaps the charge density has to be negative or strongly negative for a gamma-yielding transition to short-circuit to nearby electrons. - Maybe when it comes to gamma-yielding transitions, there is more natural activity than we think there is, and a lot of the transitions are short-circuited in the proposed manner, leading to heat rather than gammas. As observers outside of the system, we see only those gammas that escape for some reason. - Maybe there is a qualitative a difference between metastable transitions, which take a while to occur, and that of an extremely short-lived resonance like a [dd]* pair. The faster the transition, the more likely it is to short-circuit. Because we generally study dd fusions in a plasma system, this skews the data we have to work with, because there are few electrons nearby. (In cases where a dd fusion occurs during thin-foil ion bombardment, there is an anomalous screening effect.) - Perhaps the circumstances of the production of the alphas are a little different than simple fusion in the vicinity of lattice sites; for example, if there is electric arcing which is drawing the precursors near one another (which may or may not be d+d), the arc in conjunction with the electron cloud may provide a different environment than is witnessed in other contexts. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
How do these theories explain a 100 micro nickel particle that is almost pure Ni62? The key to the correct LENR theory is through an explanation of that particle. On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I realize what you meant, but during normal decay reactions, the energy is not shared with an ensemble of electrons, so why would this case be special? I'm not really sure. There's just enough of doubt on my part about the applicability of known behavior to this specific situation that I don't write off the possibility. Here are some potential explanations: - In the case of a short-lived nuclear transition yielding a gamma that occurs from the rearranging of nucleons, the nucleons reside in a field of strong positive charge, despite the presence of an electron cloud (I suspect). Perhaps the charge density has to be negative or strongly negative for a gamma-yielding transition to short-circuit to nearby electrons. - Maybe when it comes to gamma-yielding transitions, there is more natural activity than we think there is, and a lot of the transitions are short-circuited in the proposed manner, leading to heat rather than gammas. As observers outside of the system, we see only those gammas that escape for some reason. - Maybe there is a qualitative a difference between metastable transitions, which take a while to occur, and that of an extremely short-lived resonance like a [dd]* pair. The faster the transition, the more likely it is to short-circuit. Because we generally study dd fusions in a plasma system, this skews the data we have to work with, because there are few electrons nearby. (In cases where a dd fusion occurs during thin-foil ion bombardment, there is an anomalous screening effect.) - Perhaps the circumstances of the production of the alphas are a little different than simple fusion in the vicinity of lattice sites; for example, if there is electric arcing which is drawing the precursors near one another (which may or may not be d+d), the arc in conjunction with the electron cloud may provide a different environment than is witnessed in other contexts. Eric
Re: [Vo]:WIRED: Paradoxical Crystal Baffles Physicists
Interesting. You know, I would consider this an obvious one, but since they just figured it out through an Enh, why not moment... Has anyone tried measuring its normal conductivity while its under that magnetic field? On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Check out this great article I read on WIRED: Paradoxical Crystal Baffles Physicists http://www.wired.com/2015/07/paradoxical-crystal-baffles-physicists/
Re: [Vo]:Rossi's theory of the LENR reaction
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:40 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: If the ensemble is large, even a reaction with 20+ MeV can be quickly and quietly dissipated in the production of x-rays. If this happened, the daughter alpha itself might have little to no kinetic energy. [snip] I see no reason why this should be the case when it is clearly not the case for normal decay reactions. The idea was that if the momentum is imparted to the ensemble of electrons, since the electrons are so light, their share of the energy of the reaction would be the overwhelming majority, with little energy left over for the kinetic energy of the alpha particle. Eric
