RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
I find it interesting to view this entire process as an interesting game in how humans go about redistributing units of wealth across the planet. The entire process, the mechanisms currently installed to initiate “wealth distribution” has become so incredibly convoluted and obfuscated (intentionally so, I might add) that it’s easy to lose site of the fact when you really boil this process down to its most primal level, it’s just about how one individual, group, or organization goes about getting (or stealing if they can get away with it) more gummy from their neighbor. It’s all based on an illusion that there are a fixed number of gummy bears in the BIG POT. As such it behooves you to acquire as many gummy bears as you can before your neighbor does the same to you. Well… we are competitive creatures by nature. On a monthly basis, I play a board game called “Game of Thrones” with my friends. It's based on the popular George R.R. Martin books and spin-off TV series. I feel fortunate if I can make it through the afternoon without my cattle being raped. It is perhaps naive of me to believe this but it remains my hope that as our society continues to evolve in the direction a highly networked, responsive global civilization more and more of the population will begin to clearly see the abject hypocrisy and injustice all these little gummy bar games we now perform against each other does. We will begin to see how such self-serving injustices induce great harm upon on vast swatches of society and end up needlessly devaluing many of their ability to make incalculable contributions to the common good. I suppose I sound like an evil socialist, or worst, a communist. However, in my view, as technology, robotics, and AI continues to advance, robbing many of us of our jobs and identities, it may turn out to be the case that some form of high-tech modernized communism that revolves around enforced distribution of goods and services amongst all the population will eventually be recognized as the fairest and most humane. It will ensure the fact that we all get the essential basics of what need in order to survive in a modern civilization. It will ensure that all of society benefits, and not just those who know how to play the Game of Thrones game board better than their neighbor. If not, I will probably end up being repeatedly raped along with my cattle. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
The original libertarians in the US -- the 1800s frontier libertarians like Lysander Spooner, understood legitimate government as a mutual insurance company. An insurance company operating as government would charge an insurance premium for the protection of property rights. This is essentially a wealth tax. Moreover, as a mutual insurance company, not only would the territory be protected under a collective defense -- rendering immigration restriction a natural function -- but dividends would be paid to the members, and those dividends would function as an unconditional basic income thereby rendering virtually all social goods a natural function of local communities so endowed. Then the Austrian School of Economics that came along in the 20th century shot the original libertarian movement in the head, execution style, totally denying any kind of collective right to territorial protection (open borders) and totally socializing the cost of protection of property rights. This is why Ron Paul and Rand Paul don't stand a chance of being elected as libertarians. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I find it interesting to view this entire process as an interesting game in how humans go about redistributing units of wealth across the planet. The entire process, the mechanisms currently installed to initiate “wealth distribution” has become so incredibly convoluted and obfuscated (intentionally so, I might add) that it’s easy to lose site of the fact when you really boil this process down to its most primal level, it’s just about how one individual, group, or organization goes about getting (or stealing if they can get away with it) more gummy from their neighbor. It’s all based on an illusion that there are a fixed number of gummy bears in the BIG POT. As such it behooves you to acquire as many gummy bears as you can before your neighbor does the same to you. Well… we are competitive creatures by nature. On a monthly basis, I play a board game called “Game of Thrones” with my friends. It's based on the popular George R.R. Martin books and spin-off TV series. I feel fortunate if I can make it through the afternoon without my cattle being raped. It is perhaps naive of me to believe this but it remains my hope that as our society continues to evolve in the direction a highly networked, responsive global civilization more and more of the population will begin to clearly see the abject hypocrisy and injustice all these little gummy bar games we now perform against each other does. We will begin to see how such self-serving injustices induce great harm upon on vast swatches of society and end up needlessly devaluing many of their ability to make incalculable contributions to the common good. I suppose I sound like an evil socialist, or worst, a communist. However, in my view, as technology, robotics, and AI continues to advance, robbing many of us of our jobs and identities, it may turn out to be the case that some form of high-tech modernized communism that revolves around enforced distribution of goods and services amongst all the population will eventually be recognized as the fairest and most humane. It will ensure the fact that we all get the essential basics of what need in order to survive in a modern civilization. It will ensure that all of society benefits, and not just those who know how to play the Game of Thrones game board better than their neighbor. If not, I will probably end up being repeatedly raped along with my cattle. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
...and as Robert A. Heinlein said: an insurance company is just a bookie-- let's call it what it is -- you make bets that something will go wrong. From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:19 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline The original libertarians in the US -- the 1800s frontier libertarians like Lysander Spooner, understood legitimate government as a mutual insurance company. An insurance company operating as government would charge an insurance premium for the protection of property rights. This is essentially a wealth tax. Moreover, as a mutual insurance company, not only would the territory be protected under a collective defense -- rendering immigration restriction a natural function -- but dividends would be paid to the members, and those dividends would function as an unconditional basic income thereby rendering virtually all social goods a natural function of local communities so endowed. Then the Austrian School of Economics that came along in the 20th century shot the original libertarian movement in the head, execution style, totally denying any kind of collective right to territorial protection (open borders) and totally socializing the cost of protection of property rights. This is why Ron Paul and Rand Paul don't stand a chance of being elected as libertarians. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I find it interesting to view this entire process as an interesting game in how humans go about redistributing units of wealth across the planet. The entire process, the mechanisms currently installed to initiate “wealth distribution” has become so incredibly convoluted and obfuscated (intentionally so, I might add) that it’s easy to lose site of the fact when you really boil this process down to its most primal level, it’s just about how one individual, group, or organization goes about getting (or stealing if they can get away with it) more gummy from their neighbor. It’s all based on an illusion that there are a fixed number of gummy bears in the BIG POT. As such it behooves you to acquire as many gummy bears as you can before your neighbor does the same to you. Well… we are competitive creatures by nature. On a monthly basis, I play a board game called “Game of Thrones” with my friends. It's based on the popular George R.R. Martin books and spin-off TV series. I feel fortunate if I can make it through the afternoon without my cattle being raped. It is perhaps naive of me to believe this but it remains my hope that as our society continues to evolve in the direction a highly networked, responsive global civilization more and more of the population will begin to clearly see the abject hypocrisy and injustice all these little gummy bar games we now perform against each other does. We will begin to see how such self-serving injustices induce great harm upon on vast swatches of society and end up needlessly devaluing many of their ability to make incalculable contributions to the common good. I suppose I sound like an evil socialist, or worst, a communist. However, in my view, as technology, robotics, and AI continues to advance, robbing many of us of our jobs and identities, it may turn out to be the case that some form of high-tech modernized communism that revolves around enforced distribution of goods and services amongst all the population will eventually be recognized as the fairest and most humane. It will ensure the fact that we all get the essential basics of what need in order to survive in a modern civilization. It will ensure that all of society benefits, and not just those who know how to play the Game of Thrones game board better than their neighbor. If not, I will probably end up being repeatedly raped along with my cattle. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
I disagree with you that it is a zero sum game, Steven. development and inventions do create wealth and as a society we can decide if the wealth should be distributed and how to distribute it. Life is not fair. Some person might enter the software market and get hold of a rather antiquated program handle it right to be very rich. Another person builds a 3 phase distribution system for electrical energy and dies rather poor. In the very end it does not matter. We can take nothing with us when we die. We can only eat a certain amount and drink a limited quantity. Then we can have entertainment but that also have its limits. Most people do not get involved in marketing a successful software or develop an electrical distribution system. It can be said that without the general group (most of us) the inventors and developers and entrepreneurs would not succeed as their would be no market and no resources to distribute the inventions / developments. Therefore the argument that a distribution of the wealth is valid as I see it. Based on pure economic reasons. Going back to the late 1800 and early 1900 there was a need to correct that picture in Europe. The many people were taken advantage of in an unfair way. (US industries developed in a different climate, where the workforce had alternatives - more so than in Europe). That is the reason for the 'socialistic' movements in Europe with communistic and labor parties in all countries. Russia was even more out of balance. A good base for revolution, which was applauded by laborers in other counties in Europe. Today we have a very connected world. We are also depending on each other. The solution so far is that we build large organizations, which interact and establish an elite class purely working with the issue of distributing the wealth. Unfortunately just like all rulers they think they have the ultimate answer to everything. Therefore they interfere in all faces of life. Now we have a structure that takes 50% of the wealth and distributive 20% as they consume most of the wealth within themselves. The technical development actually support more freedom than ever before. That is a contradiction that needs to be addressed. It is as usual if we do not take decision life will and that is often not so well thought through. (See the Russian revolution 1917). So in the end I agree with you Steven - yes we need another format to distribute wealth. I live in CA - better sunshine than Wisconsin. I think that cannot be distributed fairly but I am sure the politician are thinking about a way to tax it. (all politicians same same) Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net wrote: ...and as Robert A. Heinlein said: an insurance company is just a bookie-- let's call it what it is -- you make bets that something will go wrong. *From:* James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 22, 2015 8:19 AM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline The original libertarians in the US -- the 1800s frontier libertarians like Lysander Spooner, understood legitimate government as a mutual insurance company. An insurance company operating as government would charge an insurance premium for the protection of property rights. This is essentially a wealth tax. Moreover, as a mutual insurance company, not only would the territory be protected under a collective defense -- rendering immigration restriction a natural function -- but dividends would be paid to the members, and those dividends would function as an unconditional basic income thereby rendering virtually all social goods a natural function of local communities so endowed. Then the Austrian School of Economics that came along in the 20th century shot the original libertarian movement in the head, execution style, totally denying any kind of collective right to territorial protection (open borders) and totally socializing the cost of protection of property rights. This is why Ron Paul and Rand Paul don't stand a chance of being elected as libertarians. On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I find it interesting to view this entire process as an interesting game in how humans go about redistributing units of wealth across the planet. The entire process, the mechanisms currently installed to initiate “wealth distribution” has become so incredibly convoluted and obfuscated (intentionally so, I might add) that it’s easy to lose site of the fact when you really boil this process down to its most primal level, it’s just about how one individual, group, or organization
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[Vo]:Coal Mining and more
I continue to wonder about the pace of change and the fact that some change is nonlinear, even catastrophic - unlike slowly fading coal mines. Such as: 1) Any antiaging breakthrough that adds even a few years to common lifespan 2) Any 'free' energy or really cheap new source 3) Discovery of extraterrestrial life ( small, if bacteria but huge if intelligent!) 4) General economic collapse (how Japan continues is a puzzle to me) Chris Zell WETM-TV This email and any files transmitted with it are private and confidential and are solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, please delete it from your system and advise the sender. WETM does not discriminate in advertising contracts on the basis of race, ethnicity or gender and further requires that in the performance of all WETM advertising agreements, WETM requires that each party not discriminate on the basis of race or ethnicity.
Re: [Vo]:Coal Mining and more
Old stuff goes out slowly as obsolete technology is elevated to Art. The new stuff is released without thought or planning regarding the effects on society, and can storm through culture like a virus. Read Marshall McLuhan's War and Peace in the Global Village for more on this idea. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671689967?tag=openlibr-20 Black swans are named for the most extreme events (perhaps a sudden collapse of some currency technology, say), but most new technology comes on fast for most, but not all. For instance, cell phones were introduced quickly, but it took a few decades for critical capacity use. A whole service environment to support cellphones was already formed so they could operate, so not everyone was surprised and the cultural changes had already begun. But cellphones introduced haphazardly into the closed cultures of mid-east countries threatened the identity and power of those in control overnight, creating much violence, psychic and otherwise. When the code is cracked, free energy will leap over existing infrastructure and sweep the planet so fast, we'll all be spinning (hopefully not in my wheelchair!) Cold Fusion NOW! (and zero point after that) Ruby On 7/22/15 10:19 AM, Chris Zell wrote: I continue to wonder about the pace of change and the fact that some change is nonlinear, even catastrophic – unlike slowly fading coal mines. Such as: 1)Any antiaging breakthrough that adds even a few years to common lifespan 2)Any ‘free’ energy or really cheap new source 3)Discovery of extraterrestrial life ( small, if bacteria but huge if intelligent!) 4)General economic collapse (how Japan continues is a puzzle to me) Chris Zell WETM-TV -- Ruby Carat Eureka, CA USA r...@coldfusionnow.org www.coldfusionnow.org lenrexplained.com
Re: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
We march backwards into the future. --Marshall McLuhan Ruby On 7/21/15 2:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: If we watch ourselves honestly we shall often find that we have begun to argue against a new idea even before it has been completely stated. - Wilfred Trotter http://amasci.com/weird/skepquot.html - Jed -- Ruby Carat Eureka, CA USA r...@coldfusionnow.org www.coldfusionnow.org lenrexplained.com
Re: [Vo]:Coal Mining and more
I agree with you Chris. I believe the solution is: To think about it before - make a plan - act. If you hang back and just try to stop evolution it will be like the Russian revolution. A poor solution, did not solve anything and the end result is a new situation just as bad, which nobody deals with so it will probably become a new revolution. Maybe it is as with restaurants - it takes three bankruptcies before it becomes a viable enterprise. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: I continue to wonder about the pace of change and the fact that some change is nonlinear, even catastrophic – unlike slowly fading coal mines. Such as: 1) Any antiaging breakthrough that adds even a few years to common lifespan 2) Any ‘free’ energy or really cheap new source 3) Discovery of extraterrestrial life ( small, if bacteria but huge if intelligent!) 4) General economic collapse (how Japan continues is a puzzle to me) Chris Zell WETM-TV This email and any files transmitted with it are private and confidential and are solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, please delete it from your system and advise the sender. WETM does not discriminate in advertising contracts on the basis of race, ethnicity or gender and further requires that in the performance of all WETM advertising agreements, WETM requires that each party not discriminate on the basis of race or ethnicity.
RE: [Vo]:Coal mining industry in steep decline
The sheer zeal and thoroughness of GM’s effort to remove all traces of the EV1 from human consciousness tells us all we need to know about their feelings concerning profits and parts sales. They were forced – kicking and screaming – into improving car reliability by Japanese manufacturers – and even then, dragged their feet for years while their market share eroded. What is most remarkable to me is not the evident progress that our world has made but rather its arrested development : crappy batteries, fossil fuels, fracking, a US lack of high speed rail, pathetic disease treatment, underfunded aging research, and more. WTF? Intuitively, I have hope that the rise of Eurasia will break the logjam of US hegemony in more than just politics.
