Re: [Vo]:answer to Ethan Siegel, LENR is a scientific Pechvogel

[a.ashfield]

Peter, I posted this as a comment on the Forbe's piece.  You could also 
comment there.

AA

Ethan Siegel, you are in error in several of your statements and as I 
found several years when I contacted you over your quote used in 
Wikipedia, you keep your eyes firmly closed and refused to look at 
evidence that proves you wrong.  Last time I recall you said you were 
too busy.

.
Bill Katakis answered your answer well and as far as I can see in Forbes 
strange comment format you failed to reply to it. You wrote:
"they would have contacted me and offered to show me their research over 
the past five years..."  What arrogance!  Why on earth would they 
bother?  Do you really consider yourself that important?


 You were wrong about hot fusion being the answer too.  With their 
track record and ITER costing $25 billion for 8 minutes of operation if 
it works in the 2030s and a commercial reactor in the 2050s, it looks 
like it would be uneconomic even if it did work.  Good lifetime 
employment for the troops though.


You claim "...willing to provide you with a verifiable, working device 
that you can investigate independently, nor with an experiment you can 
repeat yourself. Any contention to the contrary is philosophically 
indefensible."  You are wrong again. Apparently you think if you had 
seen the Wright Brothers fly.that would not be proof of flight.
The problem with LENR not being more open is that since the bungled 
failures of MIT & CalTech to replicate Pons & Fleischmann the US Patent 
Offuce has refused to grant patents in the area.  As many now know the 
hot fusion phyicists failed to load the Palladium with sufficient 
Deuterium for the process to start.


I could add pages of proved experiments to what Katakis wrote but there 
is no point when you won't look at it.




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Subject:Re: [Vo]:answer to Ethan Siegel, LENR is a scientific Pechvogel
Date:   Sun, 25 Sep 2016 14:34:31 -0400
From:   a.ashfield 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com



Peter,
Don't waste your time on Ethan.  From a distant email exchange I had 
with him about his quotations that were in error, being used in 
Wikipedia, he is simply not interested in looking at any evidence 
contrary to his previously stated opinion.

AA


On 9/25/2016 1:41 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/09/sep-25-2016-dear-ethan-lenr-is.html 



if somebody knows Ethan can send this to him...thanks

peter

--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:The Quantum internet

[Bob Cook]

The key to LENR is to design an entangled system and then induce a change in 
that system that causes instaneous new energy states, which subsequently allow 
decay via radiation from the entire entangled system--making heat in the nearby 
material and/or entangled systems.  A nano Ni particle may be such a system.   
Introducing electrons or protons or deuterons may be the ticket to initiating 
such energy state changes.


Bob Cook



From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:The Quantum internet


Quantum mechanical entanglement will provide instantaneous communication 
without regard to distance no matter how large that distance may be.

High temperature Bose condensation is the KEY. If two systems that share a 
common Bose condensation condition can be separated with one condensation 
transceiver in the control room and one in the spacecraft, then the control 
room can direct the control and discovery function of the spacecraft in real 
time using remote quantum mechanical based control.

In the longer term instantaneous QM based teleportation of matter and energy 
might be configured.

An amplitude modulated signal could be established where the sender system  
created and destroyed an amount of entanglement on a periodic basis. The 
requirement is that this amount of entanglement be reflected in the receiver. 
Information is carried in the amount of entanglement not in the values carried 
by the entanglement.

If information can be manipulated in a quantum computer, that information might 
be transferred over distance, that being the number of qubits not the content 
of the qubits.

http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quantum-internet-solid-state-network.html

[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.Vd97220a49f38aa3c941bc842310f7cc9=Api]

'Quantum Internet': Towards realization of solid-state 
...
phys.org
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'Quantum Internet': Towards realization of solid-state quantum network

The less than the speed of light relativistic requirement is paid when the two 
quantum transceivers are separated at under the speed of light as the 
spacecraft moves away from the control room.

Next, the coherent increase in entanglement between each quantum communication 
transceiver is the feature of the quantum network that is critical to verify. 
The entangled qubits need to reproduce themselves like microbes that divide. 
Polaritons might be able to increase their entanglement with others of their 
kind.

This feature is seen in LENR when a single powered master reactor (Mouse) can 
drive N numbers of unpowered slave reactors(Cats) to produce increased 
coefficient of performance (COP). This is the essence of the Mouse/Cat reactor 
protocol as invented by Rossi.

There is a ton of money going into research into quantum computers and 
networks, and even more into entangled communications, because no connection 
path is needed between sender and receiver.

"'Secondly, teleportation offers the possibility of sending information in a 
completely secure way. With teleportation, the information does not travel 
through the intermediate space and therefore cannot be intercepted."

The N.S.A will like that very much...meaning lots of R Where there is money, 
there is hope.

Re: [Vo]:answer to Ethan Siegel, LENR is a scientific Pechvogel

[Peter Gluck]

Dear Adrian

I wanted make him happy with compliments as half assed paper.
Repeated strick with the Turk, lousy work, literary speaking
As you see if you read my answer, I know him.

The rest is my opinion about LENR.

peter

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:34 PM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Peter,
> Don't waste your time on Ethan.  From a distant email exchange I had with
> him about his quotations that were in error, being used in Wikipedia, he is
> simply not interested in looking at any evidence contrary to his previously
> stated opinion.
> AA
>
>
> On 9/25/2016 1:41 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/09/sep-25-2016-dear-
> ethan-lenr-is.html
>
> if somebody knows Ethan can send this to him...thanks
>
> peter
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:answer to Ethan Siegel, LENR is a scientific Pechvogel

[a.ashfield]

Peter,
Don't waste your time on Ethan.  From a distant email exchange I had 
with him about his quotations that were in error, being used in 
Wikipedia, he is simply not interested in looking at any evidence 
contrary to his previously stated opinion.

AA


On 9/25/2016 1:41 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/09/sep-25-2016-dear-ethan-lenr-is.html 



if somebody knows Ethan can send this to him...thanks

peter

--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:answer to Ethan Siegel, LENR is a scientific Pechvogel

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/09/sep-25-2016-dear-ethan-lenr-is.html

if somebody knows Ethan can send this to him...thanks

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:The Quantum internet

[Axil Axil]

Quantum mechanical entanglement will provide instantaneous communication
without regard to distance no matter how large that distance may be.

High temperature Bose condensation is the KEY. If two systems that share a
common Bose condensation condition can be separated with one condensation
transceiver in the control room and one in the spacecraft, then the control
room can direct the control and discovery function of the spacecraft in
real time using remote quantum mechanical based control.

In the longer term instantaneous QM based teleportation of matter and
energy might be configured.

An amplitude modulated signal could be established where the sender system
 created and destroyed an amount of entanglement on a periodic basis. The
requirement is that this amount of entanglement be reflected in the
receiver. Information is carried in the amount of entanglement not in the
values carried by the entanglement.

If information can be manipulated in a quantum computer, that information
might be transferred over distance, that being the number of qubits not the
content of the qubits.

http://phys.org/news/2013-04-quantum-internet-solid-state-network.html

‘Quantum Internet’: Towards realization of solid-state quantum network

The less than the speed of light relativistic requirement is paid when the
two quantum transceivers are separated at under the speed of light as the
spacecraft moves away from the control room.

Next, the coherent increase in entanglement between each quantum
communication transceiver is the feature of the quantum network that is
critical to verify. The entangled qubits need to reproduce themselves like
microbes that divide. Polaritons might be able to increase their
entanglement with others of their kind.

This feature is seen in LENR when a single powered master reactor (Mouse)
can drive N numbers of unpowered slave reactors(Cats) to produce increased
coefficient of performance (COP). This is the essence of the Mouse/Cat
reactor protocol as invented by Rossi.

There is a ton of money going into research into quantum computers and
networks, and even more into entangled communications, because no
connection path is needed between sender and receiver.

“‘Secondly, teleportation offers the possibility of sending information in
a completely secure way. With teleportation, the information does not
travel through the intermediate space and therefore cannot be intercepted.”

The N.S.A will like that very much…meaning lots of R Where there is
money, there is hope.

[Vo]:Light-self-induced pyroelectric effect.

[Jones Beene]

There is apparently a "light-self-induced pyroelectric effect" which can
partially explain what is going on in the UltraSolar device, assuming it is
really  more than ghostware. 

The Nature article below is about UV sensors instead of solar cells, but
there could be a common denominator which explains why a pyroelectric effect
works in this situation.

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150925/ncomms9401/abs/ncomms9401.html
Most conventional solar cells use the visible and infrared light spectrum to
generate electricity and miss some of the more energetic UV photons. This
may or may not be related to dark current but of course UV is "blacklight"
and it is probably not a coincidence that UV specific photocells have little
or no dark current.

Anyway - the common sense approach to provide good evidence of whether or
not UltraSolar really has something is this. Apple Computer has built a new
campus within walking distance of the UltraSolar headquarters. 

The so-called "Spaceship campus" in Cupertino includes a roof made almost
entirely out of solar cells - which is at least a 5MW installation. If all
Apple needs to do is buy the booster box to get another megawatt it is
almost a certainty that they would do this, as cost is no impediment.

Yet I can find no indication that they have bought into this technology. It
would be the best PR in the world for UltraSolar if they did supply Apple --
and the lack of this partnership is very "telling" shall we say.

Re: [Vo]:CBCNews Canada: Why the controversial science of cold fusion is getting hot again

[Alain Sepeda]

he have great influence on the sheep & parrots who blocked LENR since 27
years.

2016-09-25 0:36 GMT+02:00 a.ashfield :

> Jed,
> Ethan siegel is a loud mouth.  In exchanges I have had with him he was not
> interested i hearing about anything that contradicted his opinion.  "Too
> busy to look."
> I wouldn't worry too much about what he thinks.
> AA
>
>
>
> On 9/23/2016 5:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Alain Sepeda  wrote:
>
> ethan siegel bash LENR as fraud based on Rossi and Defkalion story,
>> ignoring the science
>>
>> I'm tired
>>
>
> You're tired, and I am apprehensive. This is what I feared might happen.
> We begin to see the harm Rossi and Defkalion caused. I hope this will not
> have an impact on the Congress but I fear that it will.
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

[Bob Higgins]

That's not what their video implies.  Similar techniques are used in CCD
sensors to remove dark current using biasing techniques to affect the
electron recombination.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:

> It could be that the solar boost box creates resonances that increase the
> spectrum of the incoming solar energy that is converted to usable
> current/cell voltages--in other words makes a solar photon conversion more
> probable.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> --
> *From:* Bob Higgins 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:13 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in
> Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected
>
> From their video, it looks like they were trying to find a way to
> eliminate electron recombination in the silicon lattice to improve
> efficiency.  They may be planning to do that with fields created with the
> pyroelectric films.  Since the typical delta T from front to back in the
> panel is 26C, there is the opportunity to have a pyroelectric film to
> generate a field for use in their function.  In the mean time, they may be
> applying the bias with an electrical circuit to model the effects of the
> pyroelectric film on the panel efficiency (in the manner they developed to
> eliminate the electron recombination).
>
> It is interesting technology.  If they are able to simulate, what would
> keep them from deploying the electronic method?
>