Re: [Vo]:Inside tiny tubes, water turns solid when it should be boiling

[Jones Beene]

This is essentially the "SWAG" device of Murray-Smith. It is a salt water and 
graphene electrolytic storage battery with high energy density. Video on YT.
 

On Monday, November 28, 2016 5:55 PM, "mix...@bigpond.com" 
 wrote:
 
 

 In reply to  Blaze Spinnaker's message of Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:37:08 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161128152140.htm

Quote:

>For example, it should be possible to make "ice wires" that would be among the 
>best carriers known for protons, because water conducts protons at least 10 
>times more readily than typical conductive materials. "This gives us very 
>stable water wires, at room temperature," he says.

Taking this one step further, one could envision a layer of water trapped
between two graphene sheets as the proton conducting electrolyte in a battery.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html


 
   

Re: [Vo]:Inside tiny tubes, water turns solid when it should be boiling

[mixent]

In reply to  Blaze Spinnaker's message of Mon, 28 Nov 2016 14:37:08 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161128152140.htm

Quote:

>For example, it should be possible to make "ice wires" that would be among the 
>best carriers known for protons, because water conducts protons at least 10 
>times more readily than typical conductive materials. "This gives us very 
>stable water wires, at room temperature," he says.

Taking this one step further, one could envision a layer of water trapped
between two graphene sheets as the proton conducting electrolyte in a battery.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[mixent]

In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Mon, 28 Nov 2016 17:39:59 +:
Hi,
[snip]
>Interesting association to the EM drive.  Maybe it would produce
>reactionless thrust also?
>
>Assuming the EM drive actually works, this would be an ideal application
>for this kind of nuclear battery.  I am assuming this would be a very
>expensive manufacturing process, but a battery working for 5000+ years and
>a working EM drive would make for quite a nice space exploration probe.  It
>would make interstellar probes feasible.

The maximum power output of such a battery would be about 4 mW / gm of C14.
(That's milli-watt, not Megawatt, which means you would be looking at a very low
acceleration rate.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Inside tiny tubes, water turns solid when it should be boiling

[Blaze Spinnaker]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161128152140.htm

The discovery illustrates how even very familiar materials can drastically
change their behavior when trapped inside structures measured in
nanometers, or billionths of a meter.

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[Brian Ahern]

Not so fast!  The kow work function is great for cold cathode emission. However 
the very high reesistivity prevents useful operation.



From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 2:43 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

This is really just the natural progression of betavoltaics, incorporating 
"nano".

The niche has been around for many years as it is almost obvious... remember 
Paul Brown and before?... Several of those betavoltaic proponents used to post 
here (Brown passed away in 2001). The tech was always just out of reach in 
terms of cost and energy density.

Nano-diamond changes everything. Its low work function means high efficiency 
and cold cathodes. The problem will always be cost but mass production of the 
material for micro-electronics could change that. Intel needs a new 
breakthrough.

Where are you Intel? We need you.


On Monday, November 28, 2016 11:17 AM, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:


That's fantastic. If it works, it will be as good as cold fusion for small 
scale devices such as hearing aids. I wonder if it can be powerful enough for a 
cell phone?

- Jed

[Vo]:The definitive LENR experiment type.

[Axil Axil]

   - The definitive LENR experiment type.

   nyone who want to understand LENR through experimentation is well served
   by doing laser irradiation of gold nanoparticles in a solution of a salt of
   a radioactive isotope as Andreev has done.

   A comment on the The Andreev paper

   docviewer.yandex.com/?url=ya-d…5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5
   
%D1%82%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5
   Cs-137_%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80 %D0%A0%D0%A3%D0%94%D0%9D
   24_11_2016.pdf=58387351efa1

   using laser ablation for quenching the radioactivity of Cs-137.

   Using laser light conversion to a coherent magnetic field through the
   interaction of coherent laser photons and gold nanoparticles shows how the
   LENR reaction works.

   The LENR reaction is mediated by an amplified weak force. The production
   of a coherent magnetic field through the use of laser light irradiating
   gold nanoparticles greatly strengthens the weak force.

   LENR is a consequence of the amplified strength levels of the weak force
   that existed at the beginning of the cosmos where it reaches grand
   unification strength levels. At these immense levels of strength, protons
   and neutrons decay into strange matter mesons.

   A.V. Simakin has also produced a full range of laser based irradiation
   of gold nanoparticle experiments that show accelerated weak force activity
   including stabilization of radioactive isotopes, fusion and fission.

   see

   scirate.com/search?q=au:Simakin_A+in:physics

   A comment on the following paper in Russian
   -
   A.I. Laptukhov"The possible mechanism of the quenching of the
   radioactivity of the isotope Cs137

   lenr.seplm.ru/articles/ai-lapt…ioaktivnogo-izotopa-cs137
   


   Among other things, this paper remarks about the steady production of
   gamma radiation even when the rate of stabilization of the isotope CS137 is
   accelerated by some 1200 times the expected rate. The decay of Cs137 is an
   exothermic process; excess energy would be expected to be generated from
   the conversion of the unstable isotope to the stable daughter decay product.

   Where does all that energy produced by the stabilization of the isotope
   go?

   At the most basic level, I have always expected that LENR is a result of
   a single foundational mechanism, namely the accelerated action of the weak
   force under the catalytic effect of quantum coherence.

   This decay process should always produce positive energy. But in this
   particular case, no excess energy appears, so the energy flow away from the
   reaction is not detected.

   Holmlid faced this issue in the early stages of his experiments where
   there was an expectation of a large amount of energy production that did
   not become apparent. Holmlid finally detected the production of sub-atomic
   particles that formed a chain of decay from strange matter based mesons
   through kaons, pions, muons, and finally electrons.

   Under the single cause of LENR posit, the same thing might be happening
   in this laser based experiment. Muons may be coming off the gold
   nanoparticles as a result of an energy storage mechanism inherent in the
   LENR reaction.

   In more detail, this energy storage mechanism may be centered on the
   Surface Plasmon Polaritons (SPP) produced by the laser photons as they
   interact with the surface of the gold nanoparticles. The gamma radiation
   coming off the decaying Cs137 isotope might be absorbed by the SPPs and
   stored until enough energy is accumulated to produce strange matter mesons
   that eventually decay to hard to detect muons that distribute the weak
   force based decay reaction energy to the far field.

   This process of particle production from stored energy is called
   Hadronization

   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadronization

   An experimental method that might show this energy migration path is to
   detect muons using the Holmlid method or place the Cs137 salt solution with
   gold nanoparticles in a cloud chamber and look for charged particle tracks
   coming of the isotope solution as it is being irradiated with laser light.

   The detection of muons would point to an amplified weak force reaction
   catalyzed through nanoplasmonic based laser induced coherence.

[Vo]:LENR INFO, MODES OF THINKING

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/11/nov-28-2016-lenr-poor-think-vs-rich.html

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[Chris Zell]

And what was the story on Paul Brown?  He claimed huge currents, not just 
microamps from his devices.

Do we call him a fraud and move on? Or was he onto something big?

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 2:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

This is really just the natural progression of betavoltaics, incorporating 
"nano".

The niche has been around for many years as it is almost obvious... remember 
Paul Brown and before?... Several of those betavoltaic proponents used to post 
here (Brown passed away in 2001). The tech was always just out of reach in 
terms of cost and energy density.

Nano-diamond changes everything. Its low work function means high efficiency 
and cold cathodes. The problem will always be cost but mass production of the 
material for micro-electronics could change that. Intel needs a new 
breakthrough.

Where are you Intel? We need you.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 11:17 AM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:

That's fantastic. If it works, it will be as good as cold fusion for small 
scale devices such as hearing aids. I wonder if it can be powerful enough for a 
cell phone?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[Jones Beene]

This is really just the natural progression of betavoltaics, incorporating 
"nano". 

The niche has been around for many years as it is almost obvious... remember 
Paul Brown and before?... Several of those betavoltaic proponents used to post 
here (Brown passed away in 2001). The tech was always just out of reach in 
terms of cost and energy density.

Nano-diamond changes everything. Its low work function means high efficiency 
and cold cathodes. The problem will always be cost but mass production of the 
material for micro-electronics could change that. Intel needs a new 
breakthrough.
Where are you Intel? We need you.
 

On Monday, November 28, 2016 11:17 AM, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:
 
 

 That's fantastic. If it works, it will be as good as cold fusion for small 
scale devices such as hearing aids. I wonder if it can be powerful enough for a 
cell phone?

- Jed


 
   

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[Jed Rothwell]

That's fantastic. If it works, it will be as good as cold fusion for small
scale devices such as hearing aids. I wonder if it can be powerful enough
for a cell phone?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

[Alain Sepeda]

NB: De soto make an article about Mercantilism...
how economic elite obtain help by government to block competition
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-real-enemy-for-trump-is-mercantilism-not-globalism-1480279192

the secret of economic rents, and what make people furious, from Tunisia to
rust belt.

by the way what he describe as the desire of the poor is Airbnb and Uberpop.

no surprise Newyork and paris blocked it, they are mercantilist at least.

2016-11-28 12:03 GMT+01:00 Lennart Thornros :

> Alain, as usual a great analysis.
> The only way in an UBI economy, we would not have a better distribution of
> capital is that we let the establishment prevent natural development with
> political conservation laws.
>
> On Nov 27, 2016 18:11, "Alain Sepeda"  wrote:
>
>> from exchange it seems that one big problem and neglected point is about
>> allocation of the capitale.
>> what people name "robots are taking our jobs" is simply the well known
>> "replacement of work by capital".
>> One psychological problem marxist but mostly old fashioned simply, is
>> that people don't consider they are capitalist.
>> Hernando De Soto is much more aware of how poor emerging societies works
>> and actively try to defend poor-people capitalism, to defend their
>> unprotected hidden capital.
>> www.huffingtonpost.com/hernando-de-soto/piketty-wrong-third-
>> world_b_6751634.html
>> Most of rich people capital is very much protected but also mostly wind.
>> Most of poor capital is solid, tangible and productive, but unrecognized
>> as so.
>>
>> There is no problem of losing your job for a robot, if you own the
>> robot... it is like a farmer who own his tractor (after an acceptable loan
>> eventually).
>>
>> If capital is too unequally allocated it is inefficient, after it is
>> unfair.
>> Usual  way to correct that is that real capital need work to be managed,
>> and lasy capital exploiter lose their capital (wrongly managed, stolen by
>> insider.
>> Another better mechanism is the technology revolution, which create
>> inequalities, but new inequalities different from the previous.
>>
>> What I call beside UBI is a kind of agrarian revolution for capital.
>> UBI can be a mechanism to allow people to own an eternal security that
>> they can use to acquire capital.
>>
>> in fact this is what was observed with UBI in India, and as reported here
>> in Africa.
>>
>> another point people don't understand here is that if bots really are
>> working for free, this mean they cost nothing, and poor people can buy them.
>> if they cost something, this mean they requires work, and poor people can
>> build them.
>>
>> the only and key problem is training. In France it is clearly our
>> problem, with the educated workforce nearly fully employed (5% unemployed,
>> frictional), with work market tension making enterprise margin going into
>> salary rises (when not in taxes). Beside this German Style of workmarket,
>> there is a mass of uneducated workers with above than 25% unemployment,
>> short contracts, ...
>>
>> many people moan for globalization, but they refuse to admit it have
>> given purchase capacity to the poor. today everybody moan, while
>> globalization have stalled, commerce is falling...
>>
>> My feeling is that we have problem of education and training and on the
>> other of lack of innovation.
>>
>> there is anyway much innovation , but it is deflationist (Uber, e-bay,
>> blablacar, heetch, Airbnb...), which is a pain for the indebted actors,
>> first the states, then US families.
>> Note that sharing economy is ... way to make you a capitalist exploiting
>> your assets.
>>
>> Future is to have UberPop of botcars.
>>
>>
>> 2016-11-27 13:32 GMT+01:00 Lennart Thornros :
>>
>>> Axil,
>>> Your scenario is a good example of how the economy really is.
>>> It  is not a zero sum game. Our resources are built on previous
>>> generations innovations and progress. After that we all have 24 hours per
>>> day. We can use them productively (in a wide sense) or just misuse them.
>>> Computers, houses, robots will be part of what we can do with those 24
>>> hours a day.
>>> There are needs all over the globe. There are also resources (everyone's
>>> 24 hour a day).
>>>
>>> This out of the box thinking about economy has its problems. We have
>>> built a debt system we inherit with all the good things (not only monetary
>>> debt). That needs a solution and I am sure confiscation is not a solution.
>>> However, billion dollar assets inherited has no justification either. I do
>>> not have that solution but I think those two factors will together with
>>> creative thinking build a better world.
>>>
>>> Pacifistic? Idealistic? Perhaps both but if we can change thhe attitude
>>> toward  money we can create a lot. Money are just means. Who need to accrue
>>> more resources than he/she can utilise.? The real resources are time (which
>>> is equally distributed) and creativity (which 

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[Jack Cole]

Interesting association to the EM drive.  Maybe it would produce
reactionless thrust also?

Assuming the EM drive actually works, this would be an ideal application
for this kind of nuclear battery.  I am assuming this would be a very
expensive manufacturing process, but a battery working for 5000+ years and
a working EM drive would make for quite a nice space exploration probe.  It
would make interstellar probes feasible.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 11:08 AM Jones Beene  wrote:

> The radioactive carbon diamond is probably acting as a diode, making it a
> self-powered diode. The beta emission would be similar to high voltage. It
> is a good bet that the physical shape must be tapered and brings to mind
> the Shawyer cavity.
>
> Schottky diodes made of artificial diamond are known to have extreme
> breakdown voltages >6 kV which is many times greater than semiconductor
> diodes.
>
>
> On Monday, November 28, 2016 8:11 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>
>
> Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries
> http://flip.it/dKKukF
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[Jones Beene]

The radioactive carbon diamond is probably acting as a diode, making it a 
self-powered diode. The beta emission would be similar to high voltage. It is a 
good bet that the physical shape must be tapered and brings to mind the Shawyer 
cavity.

Schottky diodes made of artificial diamond are known to have extreme breakdown 
voltages >6 kV which is many times greater than semiconductor diodes. 

On Monday, November 28, 2016 8:11 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
 
 

 Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batterieshttp://flip.it/dKKukF

 
   

[Vo]:unified field theory talks

[ROGER ANDERTON]

Unified field theorytalks Lewis, E. The EightyYear Periodicity of Scientific 
Revolutions and What It Means for the ColdFusion Field  in ICCF - 14 
InternationalConference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, 
DC.Says: “In 1820, Faradayintroduced the basic ideas of field theory 
incorporating a point-atom idea likethat of 
Boscovich.”http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEtheeightyy.pdf Boscovich was 
firsttime unified field theory was proposed –My latest talk onBoscovich 
athttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkwLve5YDbgPapers and book onBoscovich 
athttps://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dragoslav_Stoiljkovic/publications other 
talks on unifiedfield theory athttp://unifiedfieldtheory.co.uk/ Big event for 
2017seems to be Math of Unified Field Theory Summer School At 
http://altermanschool2017.uacg.bg/fees.htm   

On Sunday, 27 November 2016, 20:11, Peter Gluck  
wrote:
 

 
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/11/nov-27-2106-lenr-just-three-comments-at.html

peter-- 
Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

   

[Vo]:Article: Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

[Jack Cole]

Diamonds turn nuclear waste into nuclear batteries

http://flip.it/dKKukF

[Vo]:Sci. Am. copies C article

[Jed Rothwell]

Scientific American copied the C article on cold fusion. See:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cold-fusion-lives-on-with-experiments-creating-energy-when-none-should-exist/?ref=yfp

Re: [Vo]:More on automation and Martin Ford

[Lennart Thornros]

Alain, as usual a great analysis.
The only way in an UBI economy, we would not have a better distribution of
capital is that we let the establishment prevent natural development with
political conservation laws.

On Nov 27, 2016 18:11, "Alain Sepeda"  wrote:

> from exchange it seems that one big problem and neglected point is about
> allocation of the capitale.
> what people name "robots are taking our jobs" is simply the well known
> "replacement of work by capital".
> One psychological problem marxist but mostly old fashioned simply, is that
> people don't consider they are capitalist.
> Hernando De Soto is much more aware of how poor emerging societies works
> and actively try to defend poor-people capitalism, to defend their
> unprotected hidden capital.
> www.huffingtonpost.com/hernando-de-soto/piketty-
> wrong-third-world_b_6751634.html
> Most of rich people capital is very much protected but also mostly wind.
> Most of poor capital is solid, tangible and productive, but unrecognized
> as so.
>
> There is no problem of losing your job for a robot, if you own the
> robot... it is like a farmer who own his tractor (after an acceptable loan
> eventually).
>
> If capital is too unequally allocated it is inefficient, after it is
> unfair.
> Usual  way to correct that is that real capital need work to be managed,
> and lasy capital exploiter lose their capital (wrongly managed, stolen by
> insider.
> Another better mechanism is the technology revolution, which create
> inequalities, but new inequalities different from the previous.
>
> What I call beside UBI is a kind of agrarian revolution for capital.
> UBI can be a mechanism to allow people to own an eternal security that
> they can use to acquire capital.
>
> in fact this is what was observed with UBI in India, and as reported here
> in Africa.
>
> another point people don't understand here is that if bots really are
> working for free, this mean they cost nothing, and poor people can buy them.
> if they cost something, this mean they requires work, and poor people can
> build them.
>
> the only and key problem is training. In France it is clearly our problem,
> with the educated workforce nearly fully employed (5% unemployed,
> frictional), with work market tension making enterprise margin going into
> salary rises (when not in taxes). Beside this German Style of workmarket,
> there is a mass of uneducated workers with above than 25% unemployment,
> short contracts, ...
>
> many people moan for globalization, but they refuse to admit it have given
> purchase capacity to the poor. today everybody moan, while globalization
> have stalled, commerce is falling...
>
> My feeling is that we have problem of education and training and on the
> other of lack of innovation.
>
> there is anyway much innovation , but it is deflationist (Uber, e-bay,
> blablacar, heetch, Airbnb...), which is a pain for the indebted actors,
> first the states, then US families.
> Note that sharing economy is ... way to make you a capitalist exploiting
> your assets.
>
> Future is to have UberPop of botcars.
>
>
> 2016-11-27 13:32 GMT+01:00 Lennart Thornros :
>
>> Axil,
>> Your scenario is a good example of how the economy really is.
>> It  is not a zero sum game. Our resources are built on previous
>> generations innovations and progress. After that we all have 24 hours per
>> day. We can use them productively (in a wide sense) or just misuse them.
>> Computers, houses, robots will be part of what we can do with those 24
>> hours a day.
>> There are needs all over the globe. There are also resources (everyone's
>> 24 hour a day).
>>
>> This out of the box thinking about economy has its problems. We have
>> built a debt system we inherit with all the good things (not only monetary
>> debt). That needs a solution and I am sure confiscation is not a solution.
>> However, billion dollar assets inherited has no justification either. I do
>> not have that solution but I think those two factors will together with
>> creative thinking build a better world.
>>
>> Pacifistic? Idealistic? Perhaps both but if we can change thhe attitude
>> toward  money we can create a lot. Money are just means. Who need to accrue
>> more resources than he/she can utilise.? The real resources are time (which
>> is equally distributed) and creativity (which needs recognition).
>>
>> Best Regards ,
>> Lennart Thornros
>>
>>
>> lenn...@thornros.com
>> +1 916 436 1899
>>
>> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
>> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 12:20 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>> China will lead the way. China has 1.5 billion people to keep happy with
>>> no jobs to offer. It is true that all coastal cities worldwide within 100
>>> miles of the coastline will be underwater and in need of relocation inland,
>>> That should produce a number of jobs.
>>>