Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy press release

[Jones Beene]

 Jed Rothwell wrote:

I think Brian wants them to measure power going into the power 
supplies. That sounds like a good idea to me. Probably a lot is lost 
between the power supply input and the reactor core, but you could 
still compare a null run to an excess heat run. You could confirm that 
the apparent excess is not coming through the power supply that 
produces the fancy waveform.


Yes. That is the heart of the problem.

If you need a complex waveform to show gain and it entails losses to 
produce that waveform, then that those losses are  part of the input 
requirement and it is disingenuous to claim otherwise.


Thus a gain of say 150% is reduced to almost no gain... if the waveform 
is lossy... and the result is what Brillouin does not want to admit: 
almost no net gain.

Re: [Vo]:Brillouin Energy press release

[Jed Rothwell]

Okay, I have read this SRI report a few times. I have a good impression. I
need to think about it more, but so far, so good.

People at lenr-forum complained there is not much about errors or the
margin of error. That's true, but there is some discussion. They say the
errors are less than 5%. That sounds likely to me. It sounds conservative.
The only concern I have heard here is from Brian Ahern, who worries that
they may not be measuring the input power correctly. I don't know about
that.

I think Brian wants them to measure power going into the power supplies.
That sounds like a good idea to me. Probably a lot is lost between the
power supply input and the reactor core, but you could still compare a null
run to an excess heat run. You could confirm that the apparent excess is
not coming through the power supply that produces the fancy waveform. I
assume that is what Brian fears.

The method of using a flowing water envelope to ensure a stable background
is very good. The kind of lab cooler they are using will maintain the water
temperature to within a hundredth of a degree. There will be no noise from
temperature fluctuations in the room. That and the rest of the isoperibolic
calorimetry looks good to me. I also like the blank experiments and
calibrations.

I like that the results vary from one test to the next under similar
conditions. That looks like a real effect, rather than an instrument
artifact.

As pointed out in the paper, this is probably the first time in history
anyone has been able to test a cold fusion device in one lab, get a
positive result, disassemble the reactor, move it to another lab, and have
people in the other lab observe the same result. That does not sound like
much of an accomplishment, but I think it is tremendous.

The fact that it is low power and a low COP has no significance. Cold
fusion needs control and reproducibility. Once it has those, higher power
and a large COP are a sure thing. We know this because high power and an
infinitely large COP (with zero input power) have been achieved already,
more or less by accident. There is no question they are possible.

The method of using a compensation heater and backing off the power as
excess heat develops is conventional, conservative, and well established.
This is how the SRI flow calorimeters work. The problem with the flow
calorimeters was that they held the temperature too low for Pd-D cold
fusion, according to Martin Fleischmann. This one holds it at 300 to 600
deg C, which is where it should be.

People should read this report carefully several times before jumping to
conclusions.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get ;)

[Russ George]

Well my ‘ready kilowatt cold fusion’ system is near to hand, and not being such 
a nervous pussy as to worry about being grabbed that I substitute LENR for the 
term ‘cold fusion’ that’s the better moniker… even with President Trump amongst 
us. Of course you know that the only real way to understand science is to 
adhere to the admonition “data speak to me.” That speaking data always confides 
to anyone listening about IP.  I am far less of a mercurial professor than 
Martin Fleischman, but the older I get the more I am beginning to understand 
his POV.  

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:13 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know 
what you are going to get ;)

 

Russ,

 

I am excited to hear that you are on the verge of developing a high powered 
LERN system that might show the generation of muons as a reaction byproduct. If 
it is not an imposition on your good nature, could you try to detect and verify 
these muons by placing a sheet of silver or other metal over the geiger counter 
as you have described doing in previous posts. A report back to vortex about 
the results of such a test would be great if the report does not violate your 
IP position.

 

Also wishing huge well deserved success in this and all you do. 

Axil

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Russ George  > wrote:

Peter,

 

You are always most welcome to echo my blog posts. The New Year has begun and 
after being in hibernation for the past month or so I am beginning to be 
reinvigorated. There is too much to do to deliver several ocean pasture 
restorations this year and get my danged ‘dusty plasma ready kilowatt’ heater 
into production. Only a few bugs left to squash. By the way you’ll be 
interested to know that hot gas phase NiD, aka Quarks, make 4He as do similar 
AgD devices, aka Millquarks!

 

Cold Fusing as always



 

Russ George

Atom-ecology.russgeorge.net  

 

 

 

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com  
] 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:42 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know 
what you are going to get ;)

 

it is my pleasure to sif=gnal your fine paper.

Bob is my good friend too like you, no problem if you have different opinions.

best wishes,

Peter

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ George  > wrote:

Bob Cook and I disagree about the reality of ‘quarks’, having had the good 
fortune of being tutored many times on quarks by a dear friend who won the 
Nobel Prize for their discovery I favour their existence, Bob does not. They 
are very convenient in understanding the ecology of cold fusion. Now whether 
nucleons exist or not and where is another question. Here’s my post on the 
topic http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/05/quark-gazpacho/ 





 

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

 

[Vo]:How do nanoparticles form in the SunCell plasma ball?

[Axil Axil]

How do nanoparticles form in the SunCell plasma ball?

http://www.eng.uc.edu/~beaucag/Classes/Nanopowders/2003ReviewofAerosolSynthesisSweipdf

Vapor-phase synthesis of nanoparticles Mark T. Swihart



Supersaturation, oxygen and inert gas are all part of the Vapor-phase
synthesis process.

Supersaturation

A common example of a supersaturated solution is the carbonated beverage.
These have much larger amounts of carbon dioxide dissolved than would be
possible in normal conditions. The gas is kept dissolved by increased
pressure, but immediately begins forming bubbles of released gas where the
solution is in contact with its container once that pressure is released
through opening the container.

Supersaturated solutions of common substances such as sugar are also
possible. Water can dissolve more sugar at higher temperatures, so cooling
a carefully prepared solution of fully concentrated sugar water from high
temperatures results in a supersaturated solution of sugar. A string or
other object placed in the solution gives the sugar crystals a place to
come out of solution, and any object thus inserted slowly develops a
coating of solid sugar. Faster and more dramatic reactions are possible
with different solutes.



If there is a pressure gradient in the plasma reaction process that is
occurring in the teacup sided volume in the Mills reaction, as the
supersaturated vapor leaves that reaction volume, then the metallic
nanoparticles will nucleate in the lower pressure region of the plasma ball
even if the temperature remains the same.

A roiling vortex like circulation will draw the nanoparticles back into the
reaction volume where the reaction will continue indefinitely.

Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen

[David Roberson]

I have a question about a recent experiment that you might be able to shed 
light upon.  It was reported that gravity waves originating from a pair of 
black holes joining together were measured with a certain expected wavelength.  
If gravity traveled much faster than light, how could this experiment have 
worked as anticipated?  Also, it seems that the estimated distance to the 
source would be greatly in error.  What would you have expected to have 
occurred?

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Russ George 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 1:12 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen



Gravity waves are indeed the means for SETI communication as they travel at e8 
times the speed of light as Tom van Flandern showed the speed was at least 
2xe10 c or more! While the usual suspects heaped dogmatic howls on Tom, his 
friend and mine J P Vigier was a staunch supporter of his conclusion as am I. 
Alas both Tom and Jean Pierre are passed but their ideas and wisdom have not.
 
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The dark side of dense hydrogen
 


On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Bob Higgins  wrote:

 


There is a more far fetched possibility - that of communications via 
gravitational waves.  There have been a number of papers talking about the 
conversion of EM waves into gravitational waves in certain types of 
superconductors.  If that ever proves to be possible, it would open a whole new 
spectrum - one that could harbor SETI communications.


 

Because gravity appears to have infinite range, assuming there are gravitons, 
they are expected to be massless.  This means they will travel at the speed of 
light.  From this PhysicsForums post [1], I infer that for masses under human 
control which would serve as the source of the gravitons, they will have very 
large wavelengths.  Is there a way to send lots of information over a signal 
with a very low frequency?

 

Gravitons aside, if the alien signal is spread across a spectrum, as you 
mention, I suppose it might be very difficult to detect.  If the transmitted 
signal further involves intentionally taking the background noise and making 
small adjustments to it, you would probably have to be looking for this kind of 
pattern specifically to determine that there was a signal at all.

 

Eric

 

 

[1] 
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/graviton-energy-and-frequency-wavelength.242145/#post-1780881

 

Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get ;)

[Axil Axil]

Russ,

*I am excited to hear that you are on the verge of developing a high
powered LERN system that might show the generation of muons as a reaction
byproduct. If it is not an imposition on your good nature, could you try to
detect and verify these muons by placing a sheet of silver or other metal
over the geiger counter as you have described doing in previous posts. A
report back to vortex about the results of such a test would be great if
the report does not violate your IP position.*

*Also wishing huge well deserved success in this and all you do. *
*Axil*

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> Peter,
>
>
>
> You are always most welcome to echo my blog posts. The New Year has begun
> and after being in hibernation for the past month or so I am beginning to
> be reinvigorated. There is too much to do to deliver several ocean pasture
> restorations this year and get my danged ‘dusty plasma ready kilowatt’
> heater into production. Only a few bugs left to squash. By the way you’ll
> be interested to know that hot gas phase NiD, aka Quarks, make 4He as do
> similar AgD devices, aka Millquarks!
>
>
>
> Cold Fusing as always
>
>
>
> Russ George
>
> Atom-ecology.russgeorge.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 11:42 AM
> *To:* VORTEX
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you
> never know what you are going to get ;)
>
>
>
> it is my pleasure to sif=gnal your fine paper.
>
> Bob is my good friend too like you, no problem if you have different
> opinions.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ George  wrote:
>
> Bob Cook and I disagree about the reality of ‘quarks’, having had the good
> fortune of being tutored many times on quarks by a dear friend who won the
> Nobel Prize for their discovery I favour their existence, Bob does not.
> They are very convenient in understanding the ecology of cold fusion. Now
> whether nucleons exist or not and where is another question. Here’s my post
> on the topic http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/05/quark-gazpacho/
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dr. Peter Gluck
>
> Cluj, Romania
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get ;)

[Peter Gluck]

Wishing huge success with/for all you do and waiting...
yours,
Peter

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> Peter,
>
>
>
> You are always most welcome to echo my blog posts. The New Year has begun
> and after being in hibernation for the past month or so I am beginning to
> be reinvigorated. There is too much to do to deliver several ocean pasture
> restorations this year and get my danged ‘dusty plasma ready kilowatt’
> heater into production. Only a few bugs left to squash. By the way you’ll
> be interested to know that hot gas phase NiD, aka Quarks, make 4He as do
> similar AgD devices, aka Millquarks!
>
>
>
> Cold Fusing as always
>
>
>
> Russ George
>
> Atom-ecology.russgeorge.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 11:42 AM
> *To:* VORTEX
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you
> never know what you are going to get ;)
>
>
>
> it is my pleasure to sif=gnal your fine paper.
>
> Bob is my good friend too like you, no problem if you have different
> opinions.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ George  wrote:
>
> Bob Cook and I disagree about the reality of ‘quarks’, having had the good
> fortune of being tutored many times on quarks by a dear friend who won the
> Nobel Prize for their discovery I favour their existence, Bob does not.
> They are very convenient in understanding the ecology of cold fusion. Now
> whether nucleons exist or not and where is another question. Here’s my post
> on the topic http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/05/quark-gazpacho/
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dr. Peter Gluck
>
> Cluj, Romania
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>



-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:daily LENR info

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/01/jan-06-2017-lenr-info.html

peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get ;)

[Russ George]

Peter,

 

You are always most welcome to echo my blog posts. The New Year has begun and 
after being in hibernation for the past month or so I am beginning to be 
reinvigorated. There is too much to do to deliver several ocean pasture 
restorations this year and get my danged ‘dusty plasma ready kilowatt’ heater 
into production. Only a few bugs left to squash. By the way you’ll be 
interested to know that hot gas phase NiD, aka Quarks, make 4He as do similar 
AgD devices, aka Millquarks!

 

Cold Fusing as always



 

Russ George

Atom-ecology.russgeorge.net

 

 

 

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:42 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know 
what you are going to get ;)

 

it is my pleasure to sif=gnal your fine paper.

Bob is my good friend too like you, no problem if you have different opinions.

best wishes,

Peter

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ George  > wrote:

Bob Cook and I disagree about the reality of ‘quarks’, having had the good 
fortune of being tutored many times on quarks by a dear friend who won the 
Nobel Prize for their discovery I favour their existence, Bob does not. They 
are very convenient in understanding the ecology of cold fusion. Now whether 
nucleons exist or not and where is another question. Here’s my post on the 
topic http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/05/quark-gazpacho/ 





 

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get ;)

[Peter Gluck]

it is my pleasure to sif=gnal your fine paper.
Bob is my good friend too like you, no problem if you have different
opinions.
best wishes,
Peter

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> Bob Cook and I disagree about the reality of ‘quarks’, having had the good
> fortune of being tutored many times on quarks by a dear friend who won the
> Nobel Prize for their discovery I favour their existence, Bob does not.
> They are very convenient in understanding the ecology of cold fusion. Now
> whether nucleons exist or not and where is another question. Here’s my post
> on the topic http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/05/quark-gazpacho/
>



-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Quark soup life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get ;)

[Russ George]

Bob Cook and I disagree about the reality of 'quarks', having had the good
fortune of being tutored many times on quarks by a dear friend who won the
Nobel Prize for their discovery I favour their existence, Bob does not. They
are very convenient in understanding the ecology of cold fusion. Now whether
nucleons exist or not and where is another question. Here's my post on the
topic http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/05/quark-gazpacho/ 

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