RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[bobcook39923]

Roibin—

I agree that dimensionless constants are ok.  I stand corrected.

Bob cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: H LV
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 7:13 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets



On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 8:48 PM,  wrote:
In reply to  's message of Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:14:56
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Constants in theories only reflect limited understanding of the natural laws 
>IMHO.  To get at the truth, we need to eliminate constants from our logic and 
>resulting truths.  (Constants are ok  for engineers that try to develop some 
>practical device.)
>
[snip]

You need at least some constants to describe relative sizes. I.e. dimensionless
constants.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

​There might also be an underlying relationship between the constants of nature 
and the constants of mathematics.

wikipedia page on various mathematical constants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_constant

Harry​

Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[H LV]

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 8:48 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  's message of Sat, 11 Feb 2017
> 09:14:56
> -0800:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >Constants in theories only reflect limited understanding of the natural
> laws IMHO.  To get at the truth, we need to eliminate constants from our
> logic and resulting truths.  (Constants are ok  for engineers that try to
> develop some practical device.)
> >
> [snip]
>
> You need at least some constants to describe relative sizes. I.e.
> dimensionless
> constants.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>
​There might also be an underlying relationship between the constants of
nature and the constants of mathematics.

wikipedia page on various mathematical constants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_constant

Harry​

Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[Jones Beene]

Forget the tresino, grok the quatrino...

Although Mayer's tresino gets the most attention in the cited paper, and 
is very close to Mills "hydrino hydride" it is a charged particle. 
Therefore, it should be very noticeable and since it is not seen, it 
probably does not exist in useful quantities. To match the experiments 
we need a neutral particle and the "quatrino" is more likely to be 
involved in LENR.


If it exists, the quatrino is a neutral composite of two protons and two 
electrons which do not orbit in the normal way, thus it is far more 
compact than the H2 molecule, and with a mass of only 1.8 GeV... 
depleted of energy and inert. It is very stable and dark, as we might 
expect. Either Compton composite are described by Mayer to be stable and 
long-lived, and thus dark matter candidates.


"The quatrino is a four-body composite with two hydrogen nuclei located 
on the axis at z and two electrons on a circle of radius r in the 
midplane. The orbital velocity of the electrons is very small, and there 
is zero angular momentum... the binding energy of the quatrino is about 
25 keV." The high binding energy probably means it avoids detection in a 
mass spectrometer. However, it should be detectable if one made a 
concerted effort using the details provided.


Being so energy depleted, however, it cannot easily react in a nuclear 
reaction but guess what ... this fact could mean that it is more easily 
annihilated in a laser pulse! Thus the quatrino could fit well into 
Holmlid's experiments as a theoretical replacement for UDH, which has 
always seemed to be more of a kludge than a real entity. I like Mayers 
concept, math and logic. Holmlid should have a look.

Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[mixent]

In reply to  's message of Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:14:56
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Constants in theories only reflect limited understanding of the natural laws 
>IMHO.  To get at the truth, we need to eliminate constants from our logic and 
>resulting truths.  (Constants are ok  for engineers that try to develop some 
>practical device.)
>
[snip]

You need at least some constants to describe relative sizes. I.e. dimensionless
constants.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:biology inspired metaphor for LENR and NAE

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/02/feb-11-2017-what-axolotl-can-do-but.html


peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[bobcook39923]

The Frederick J. Mayer/ John R. Reitz paper references R Mills work from 1991.  

The ideas sound much like Randy’s conclusions stemming from his GUTCP.

Interesting.  

The reference made by U Car ( https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880 ) to a paper 
stemming from work in 1991 also reflects simplification of theories explaining 
quantum phenomena.  It may explain the Russian LENR successes coming out of the 
Moscow State University by the physicists there.

Bob Cook


From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets


Here is a paper of interest which mentions cold fusion. The proposed particle 
actually sounds a bit like the proposed PPP (phonon-plasmon-polariton) in the 
form of a cluster of dense hydrogen, which can exist at !-D even if not exactly 
Compton scale.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.0034.
Electromagnetic Composites at the Compton Scale
Frederick J. Mayer  John R. Reitz

A new class of electromagnetic composite particles is proposed. The composites 
are very small
(the Compton scale), potentially long-lived, would have unique interactions 
with atomic and nu-
clear systems, and, if they exist, could explain a number of otherwise 
anomalous and conflicting
observations in diverse research areas.

bobcook39...@gmail.com wrote:


Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the explanation of many of the so called 
constants found in physical theories.  For example, might not an electron’s 
charge be explained as a tightly curled magnetic field disturbance with small 
dimensions in the realm of the Planck scale?  
 
Constants in theories only reflect limited understanding of the natural laws 
IMHO.  To get at the truth, we need to eliminate constants from our logic and 
resulting truths.  (Constants are ok  for engineers that try to develop some 
practical device.)
 

Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets
 
The 1-D nature of strong  magnetic fields IMHO is what increases the odds of 
resonant coupling among particles with a magnetic moment.  I can imagine that 
this coupling would also work to couple with the magnetic dipole entities 
making up nuclei, whether these entities  are quarks per the standard theory or 
positrons and electrons per the  Phillipe Hatt’s theory.or William Stubbs’ 
theory, both of which explain the presence of muons, and electrons and 
positrons being constituents of protons and neutrons.
 
As might be expected these theories find no traction in the established physics 
community, which is looking face down, fat, dumb and happy, bowing to their 
emperor with many holes in his suit.
 
H Ucar’s fresh idea  about Plank’s constant being not really a constant is very 
intriguing.  
 
 From: H Ucar
Subject: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets
 
You may be aware of tresino model of F. J. Mayer which have similar energy 
figures of hydrino. This model depends purely to electrostatic and 
magnetostatic equilibrium, workable on 1D but likely unstable under more 
degrees of freedom that Earnshaw theorem do not permit such a equilibrium but 
here is still a possibility due to angular momentum of electrons (or spin) may 
provide the angular stabilization like Levitron but unlikely to tolerate 
disturbances. The article does not evaluate such criteria and only give 
equilibrium in one axis. On the other hand, bound state based purely on 
magnetic interaction on fermi distances inside nucleons (where Coulomb forces 
can be safely ignored in presence of very large magnetic interaction) or on 
combined attractive Coulomb forces and repulsive magnetic interaction in 
presence of proposable rotating or oscillation magnetic field provided by 
involved particles (see my exeriments at 
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt).
The latter can be formed in Compton wavelenth scale similar to tresino. There 
is also a general model based on angular oscillation of electron spin called 
Extended Zitterbewegung (EZBW) proposed by A. Niehous which open a possibility 
to explain quantum behavior of particles by classical mean. Indeed quantum 
mechanics definition of spin (as z and x,y components) allows stochastic 
interpretations. All is remaining is experimental evidence. If provided, 
Barut's hypothesizes on unification of nuclear forces on electromagnetism and 
building all particles from electron, proton and neutrino would be 
realized.This open also the way to explain full quantum phenomena classically. 
A newly submited paper on arxiv.org "Derivation of Schrödinger’s equation 
(https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880) formulates the Planck's constant with this 
comment:
>From (58) it follows that the Planck constant is not a fundamental physical 
>constant, but rather a random variable which may be expressed in terms of more 
>basic parameters of a stationary stochastic process.
 
It would be nice that appearance o

[Vo]:Fwd: Jake is helping me. Another Tobie is about to.

[Frank Znidarsic]

I am going to give a talk on Radio technologies this summer at a museum.
A spark gap transmitter, a Radiola 3 and a Radiola 17 will be demonstrated.  I 
have these.
I may be able to get a Radiola I out of someone's attic.  Its a crystal set.


I will go through the work of Armstrong on regenerative radios followed by a 
demo of the
regenerative 3, of tuned radio frequency and demo on the 17, and of 
superhetrodyne on a more modern radio.
Each set is active and will be played.


I will get into FM and  digital radio.




 The museum has a 1920's radio transmitter KDKA and they will show that.  




The talk will wind up with some thought of the control of the natural forces 
other than the electromagnetic.


I hope someone shows up. I will video and post this summer.


Frank

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[bobcook39923]

The following link has an instructive discussion of the various scales, 
including the Compton scale which Jones has identified.

 http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/lengths.html

Bob Cook


From: Jones Beene
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets


Here is a paper of interest which mentions cold fusion. The proposed particle 
actually sounds a bit like the proposed PPP (phonon-plasmon-polariton) in the 
form of a cluster of dense hydrogen, which can exist at !-D even if not exactly 
Compton scale.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.0034.
Electromagnetic Composites at the Compton Scale
Frederick J. Mayer  John R. Reitz

A new class of electromagnetic composite particles is proposed. The composites 
are very small
(the Compton scale), potentially long-lived, would have unique interactions 
with atomic and nu-
clear systems, and, if they exist, could explain a number of otherwise 
anomalous and conflicting
observations in diverse research areas.

bobcook39...@gmail.com wrote:


Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the explanation of many of the so called 
constants found in physical theories.  For example, might not an electron’s 
charge be explained as a tightly curled magnetic field disturbance with small 
dimensions in the realm of the Planck scale?  
 
Constants in theories only reflect limited understanding of the natural laws 
IMHO.  To get at the truth, we need to eliminate constants from our logic and 
resulting truths.  (Constants are ok  for engineers that try to develop some 
practical device.)
 

Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets
 
The 1-D nature of strong  magnetic fields IMHO is what increases the odds of 
resonant coupling among particles with a magnetic moment.  I can imagine that 
this coupling would also work to couple with the magnetic dipole entities 
making up nuclei, whether these entities  are quarks per the standard theory or 
positrons and electrons per the  Phillipe Hatt’s theory.or William Stubbs’ 
theory, both of which explain the presence of muons, and electrons and 
positrons being constituents of protons and neutrons.
 
As might be expected these theories find no traction in the established physics 
community, which is looking face down, fat, dumb and happy, bowing to their 
emperor with many holes in his suit.
 
H Ucar’s fresh idea  about Plank’s constant being not really a constant is very 
intriguing.  
 
 From: H Ucar
Subject: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets
 
You may be aware of tresino model of F. J. Mayer which have similar energy 
figures of hydrino. This model depends purely to electrostatic and 
magnetostatic equilibrium, workable on 1D but likely unstable under more 
degrees of freedom that Earnshaw theorem do not permit such a equilibrium but 
here is still a possibility due to angular momentum of electrons (or spin) may 
provide the angular stabilization like Levitron but unlikely to tolerate 
disturbances. The article does not evaluate such criteria and only give 
equilibrium in one axis. On the other hand, bound state based purely on 
magnetic interaction on fermi distances inside nucleons (where Coulomb forces 
can be safely ignored in presence of very large magnetic interaction) or on 
combined attractive Coulomb forces and repulsive magnetic interaction in 
presence of proposable rotating or oscillation magnetic field provided by 
involved particles (see my exeriments at 
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt).
The latter can be formed in Compton wavelenth scale similar to tresino. There 
is also a general model based on angular oscillation of electron spin called 
Extended Zitterbewegung (EZBW) proposed by A. Niehous which open a possibility 
to explain quantum behavior of particles by classical mean. Indeed quantum 
mechanics definition of spin (as z and x,y components) allows stochastic 
interpretations. All is remaining is experimental evidence. If provided, 
Barut's hypothesizes on unification of nuclear forces on electromagnetism and 
building all particles from electron, proton and neutrino would be 
realized.This open also the way to explain full quantum phenomena classically. 
A newly submited paper on arxiv.org "Derivation of Schrödinger’s equation 
(https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880) formulates the Planck's constant with this 
comment:
>From (58) it follows that the Planck constant is not a fundamental physical 
>constant, but rather a random variable which may be expressed in terms of more 
>basic parameters of a stationary stochastic process.
 
It would be nice that appearance of h in all formulas of physics would make 
sense according this.
 
A note about bound states I obtained is they are highly stable under disturbing 
effects most of time but some 'bad' resonances can kill them.
 
 

Re: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[Jones Beene]

Here is a paper of interest which mentions cold fusion. The proposed 
particle actually sounds a bit like the proposed PPP 
(phonon-plasmon-polariton) in the form of a cluster of dense hydrogen, 
which can exist at !-D even if not exactly Compton scale.


https://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.0034.
Electromagnetic Composites at the Compton Scale
Frederick J. Mayer  John R. Reitz

A new class of electromagnetic composite particles is proposed. The 
composites are very small
(the Compton scale), potentially long-lived, would have unique 
interactions with atomic and nu-
clear systems, and, if they exist, could explain a number of otherwise 
anomalous and conflicting

observations in diverse research areas.


bobcook39...@gmail.com wrote:

Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the explanation of many of the so 
called constants found in physical theories.  For example, might not 
an electron’s charge be explained as a tightly curled magnetic field 
disturbance with small dimensions in the realm of the Planck scale?


Constants in theories only reflect limited understanding of the 
natural laws IMHO.  To get at the truth, we need to eliminate 
constants from our logic and resulting truths.  (Constants are ok  for 
engineers that try to develop some practical device.)



*Subject: *RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of 
spinning magnets


The 1-D nature of strong  magnetic fields IMHO is what increases the 
odds of resonant coupling among particles with a magnetic moment.  I 
can imagine that this coupling would also work to couple with the 
magnetic dipole entities making up nuclei, whether these entities  are 
quarks per the standard theory or positrons and electrons per the 
Phillipe Hatt’s theory.or William Stubbs’ theory, both of which 
explain the presence of muons, and electrons and positrons being 
constituents of protons and neutrons.


As might be expected these theories find no traction in the 
established physics community, which is looking face down, fat, dumb 
and happy, bowing to their emperor with many holes in his suit.


H Ucar’s fresh idea  about Plank’s constant being not really a 
constant is very intriguing.


*From: *H Ucar 
*Subject: *[Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning 
magnets


You may be aware of tresino model of F. J. Mayer which have similar 
energy figures of hydrino. This model depends purely to electrostatic 
and magnetostatic equilibrium, workable on 1D but likely unstable 
under more degrees of freedom that Earnshaw theorem do not permit such 
a equilibrium but here is still a possibility due to angular momentum 
of electrons (or spin) may provide the angular stabilization like 
Levitron but unlikely to tolerate disturbances. The article does not 
evaluate such criteria and only give equilibrium in one axis. On the 
other hand, bound state based purely on magnetic interaction on fermi 
distances inside nucleons (where Coulomb forces can be safely ignored 
in presence of very large magnetic interaction) or on combined 
attractive Coulomb forces and repulsive magnetic interaction in 
presence of proposable rotating or oscillation magnetic field provided 
by involved particles (see my exeriments at 
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt 
).


The latter can be formed in Compton wavelenth scale similar to 
tresino. There is also a general model based on angular oscillation of 
electron spin called Extended Zitterbewegung (EZBW) proposed by A. 
Niehous which open a possibility to explain quantum behavior of 
particles by classical mean. Indeed quantum mechanics definition of 
spin (as z and x,y components) allows stochastic interpretations. All 
is remaining is experimental evidence. If provided, Barut's 
hypothesizes on unification of nuclear forces on electromagnetism and 
building all particles from electron, proton and neutrino would be 
realized.This open also the way to explain full quantum phenomena 
classically. A newly submited paper on arxiv.org  
"Derivation of Schrödinger’s equation 
(https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880) formulates the Planck's constant 
with this comment:


From (58) it follows that the Planck constant is not a fundamental 
physical constant, but rather a random variable which may be expressed 
in terms of more basic parameters of a stationary stochastic process.


It would be nice that appearance of h in all formulas of physics would 
make sense according this.


A note about bound states I obtained is they are highly stable under 
disturbing effects most of time but some 'bad' resonances can kill them.

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[bobcook39923]

Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the explanation of many of the so called 
constants found in physical theories.  For example, might not an electron’s 
charge be explained as a tightly curled magnetic field disturbance with small 
dimensions in the realm of the Planck scale?  

Constants in theories only reflect limited understanding of the natural laws 
IMHO.  To get at the truth, we need to eliminate constants from our logic and 
resulting truths.  (Constants are ok  for engineers that try to develop some 
practical device.)

Bob Cook
From: bobcook39...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 8:53 AM
To: H Ucar; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

The 1-D nature of strong  magnetic fields IMHO is what increases the odds of 
resonant coupling among particles with a magnetic moment.  I can imagine that 
this coupling would also work to couple with the magnetic dipole entities 
making up nuclei, whether these entities  are quarks per the standard theory or 
positrons and electrons per the  Phillipe Hatt’s theory.or William Stubbs’ 
theory, both of which explain the presence of muons, and electrons and 
positrons being constituents of protons and neutrons.

As might be expected these theories find no traction in the established physics 
community, which is looking face down, fat, dumb and happy, bowing to their 
emperor with many holes in his suit.

H Ucar’s fresh idea  about Plank’s constant being not really a constant is very 
intriguing.  

Bob Cook





Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: H Ucar
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 6:27 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

You may be aware of tresino model of F. J. Mayer which have similar energy 
figures of hydrino. This model depends purely to electrostatic and 
magnetostatic equilibrium, workable on 1D but likely unstable under more 
degrees of freedom that Earnshaw theorem do not permit such a equilibrium but 
here is still a possibility due to angular momentum of electrons (or spin) may 
provide the angular stabilization like Levitron but unlikely to tolerate 
disturbances. The article does not evaluate such criteria and only give 
equilibrium in one axis. On the other hand, bound state based purely on 
magnetic interaction on fermi distances inside nucleons (where Coulomb forces 
can be safely ignored in presence of very large magnetic interaction) or on 
combined attractive Coulomb forces and repulsive magnetic interaction in 
presence of proposable rotating or oscillation magnetic field provided by 
involved particles (see my exeriments at 
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt).
The latter can be formed in Compton wavelenth scale similar to tresino. There 
is also a general model based on angular oscillation of electron spin called 
Extended Zitterbewegung (EZBW) proposed by A. Niehous which open a possibility 
to explain quantum behavior of particles by classical mean. Indeed quantum 
mechanics definition of spin (as z and x,y components) allows stochastic 
interpretations. All is remaining is experimental evidence. If provided, 
Barut's hypothesizes on unification of nuclear forces on electromagnetism and 
building all particles from electron, proton and neutrino would be 
realized.This open also the way to explain full quantum phenomena classically. 
A newly submited paper on arxiv.org "Derivation of Schrödinger’s equation 
(https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880) formulates the Planck's constant with this 
comment:
>From (58) it follows that the Planck constant is not a fundamental physical 
>constant, but rather a random variable which may be expressed in terms of more 
>basic parameters of a stationary stochastic process.

It would be nice that appearance of h in all formulas of physics would make 
sense according this.

A note about bound states I obtained is they are highly stable under disturbing 
effects most of time but some 'bad' resonances can kill them.

RE: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[bobcook39923]

The 1-D nature of strong  magnetic fields IMHO is what increases the odds of 
resonant coupling among particles with a magnetic moment.  I can imagine that 
this coupling would also work to couple with the magnetic dipole entities 
making up nuclei, whether these entities  are quarks per the standard theory or 
positrons and electrons per the  Phillipe Hatt’s theory.or William Stubbs’ 
theory, both of which explain the presence of muons, and electrons and 
positrons being constituents of protons and neutrons.

As might be expected these theories find no traction in the established physics 
community, which is looking face down, fat, dumb and happy, bowing to their 
emperor with many holes in his suit.

H Ucar’s fresh idea  about Plank’s constant being not really a constant is very 
intriguing.  

Bob Cook





Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: H Ucar
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 6:27 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

You may be aware of tresino model of F. J. Mayer which have similar energy 
figures of hydrino. This model depends purely to electrostatic and 
magnetostatic equilibrium, workable on 1D but likely unstable under more 
degrees of freedom that Earnshaw theorem do not permit such a equilibrium but 
here is still a possibility due to angular momentum of electrons (or spin) may 
provide the angular stabilization like Levitron but unlikely to tolerate 
disturbances. The article does not evaluate such criteria and only give 
equilibrium in one axis. On the other hand, bound state based purely on 
magnetic interaction on fermi distances inside nucleons (where Coulomb forces 
can be safely ignored in presence of very large magnetic interaction) or on 
combined attractive Coulomb forces and repulsive magnetic interaction in 
presence of proposable rotating or oscillation magnetic field provided by 
involved particles (see my exeriments at 
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt).
The latter can be formed in Compton wavelenth scale similar to tresino. There 
is also a general model based on angular oscillation of electron spin called 
Extended Zitterbewegung (EZBW) proposed by A. Niehous which open a possibility 
to explain quantum behavior of particles by classical mean. Indeed quantum 
mechanics definition of spin (as z and x,y components) allows stochastic 
interpretations. All is remaining is experimental evidence. If provided, 
Barut's hypothesizes on unification of nuclear forces on electromagnetism and 
building all particles from electron, proton and neutrino would be 
realized.This open also the way to explain full quantum phenomena classically. 
A newly submited paper on arxiv.org "Derivation of Schrödinger’s equation 
(https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880) formulates the Planck's constant with this 
comment:
>From (58) it follows that the Planck constant is not a fundamental physical 
>constant, but rather a random variable which may be expressed in terms of more 
>basic parameters of a stationary stochastic process.

It would be nice that appearance of h in all formulas of physics would make 
sense according this.

A note about bound states I obtained is they are highly stable under disturbing 
effects most of time but some 'bad' resonances can kill them.

[Vo]:Jake is helping me. Another Tobie is about to.

[Frank Znidarsic]

Jake is helping me. See the link below.   Another and Tobie is about to.




http://www.frontiergravity.com/active-projects/




Frank Znidarsic









"In my opinion, you have made one of the most important discoveries of all 
time, one that will change our understanding of the how the universe works, and 
one that will change our world as we know it. This is why I found it immensely 
frustrating that this has not picked up any pace.


I am starting to wonder if I should take it upon myself to spread this 
information to scientific groups, such as Universities, research institutions 
etc."  Tobie

[Vo]:Tresino, EZBW, Barut, h and bound state of spinning magnets

[H Ucar]

You may be aware of tresino model of F. J. Mayer which have similar energy
figures of hydrino. This model depends purely to electrostatic and
magnetostatic equilibrium, workable on 1D but likely unstable under more
degrees of freedom that Earnshaw theorem do not permit such a equilibrium
but here is still a possibility due to angular momentum of electrons (or
spin) may provide the angular stabilization like Levitron but unlikely to
tolerate disturbances. The article does not evaluate such criteria and only
give equilibrium in one axis. On the other hand, bound state based purely
on magnetic interaction on fermi distances inside nucleons (where Coulomb
forces can be safely ignored in presence of very large magnetic
interaction) or on combined attractive Coulomb forces and repulsive
magnetic interaction in presence of proposable rotating or oscillation
magnetic field provided by involved particles (see my exeriments at
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt).
The latter can be formed in Compton wavelenth scale similar to tresino.
There is also a general model based on angular oscillation of electron spin
called Extended Zitterbewegung (EZBW) proposed by A. Niehous which open a
possibility to explain quantum behavior of particles by classical mean.
Indeed quantum mechanics definition of spin (as z and x,y components)
allows stochastic interpretations. All is remaining is experimental
evidence. If provided, Barut's hypothesizes on unification of nuclear
forces on electromagnetism and building all particles from electron, proton
and neutrino would be realized.This open also the way to explain full
quantum phenomena classically. A newly submited paper on arxiv.org "Derivation
of Schrödinger’s equation (https://arxiv.org/abs/1702.01880) formulates the
Planck's constant with this comment:
>From (58) it follows that the Planck constant is not a fundamental physical
constant, but rather a random variable which may be expressed in terms of
more basic parameters of a stationary stochastic process.

It would be nice that appearance of h in all formulas of physics would make
sense according this.

A note about bound states I obtained is they are highly stable under
disturbing effects most of time but some 'bad' resonances can kill them.