[Vo]:EM drive accepted now?

[Roarty, Francis X]

3 articles on EM drive this week, Is it now mainstream?


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/emdrive-uk-scientist-claims-physics-190111061.html
http://www.telegiz.com/articles/15395/20170212/emdrive-china-claims-already-testing-impossible-warp-drive-tech-beats.htm
http://www.inquisitr.com/3974464/em-drive-dreams-space-exploration-implications-of-working-nasa-em-drive/

[Vo]:AI learns to solve quantum state of many particles at once

[Mats Lewan]

Always thought AI could be effective in LENR research.
Either by letting a system like IBM Watson scan all published LENR papers and 
look for patterns or answer questions, or, like in this case, using a neural 
network for solving complex quantum states:

AI learns to solve quantum state of many particles at once
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2120856-ai-learns-to-solve-quantum-state-of-many-particles-at-once/
 


I guess these researchers are not familiar with LENR research. 

Mats Lewan, Speaker, Moderator, Author, Journalist – technology and future.
www.matslewan.se 
tel. +46-70-5907252, twitter @matslew , facebook 
, youtube 
, linkedin 
.
Author of An Impossible Invention .

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

[mixent]

In reply to  MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:29:54 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Just a guess Robin, but one can stop a 60mph car/truck and get out of harm's
>way a bit faster than an airplane going 500+mph at 3 ft!
>:-)
[snip]
Good point! :)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:LENR info and my cases of indecision

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/02/feb-14-2017-lenr-some-info-plus-3-cases.html

peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Dark matter hydrogen - a hybrid approach

[Jones Beene]

In 1991, Gene Mallove published an important book entitled "Fire from 
Ice" ... in an attempt to shed new light on the growing "cold fusion 
confusion."


The "Fire from Ice" metaphor was catchy, but the level of skepticism for 
the new technology did not diminish noticeably in the ensuing years, and 
probably increased - but that is mainly because of the lack of a 
commercial application. In the end, it's always going to resolve to 
something akin to "show me the money" ... and the commercial payoff from 
LENR has been non-existent to date.


Laser cooling is a new twist on the "Fire from Ice" metaphor. It refers 
to a number of techniques in which samples can be cooled all the way 
down to near absolute zero through the interaction with laser light, 
which is itself can be very hot. Surprisingly, photons with effective 
temperature of 10,000 C can effectively cool a sample. This is because 
coherent photons are absorbed and re-emited in a way that the momentum 
of an absorber changes independently of its prior temperature, which can 
result in Doppler cooling. (see the Wiki entry)


Doppler cooling, is usually accompanied by a magnetic trapping force 
within a magneto-optical trap, and this is the segue to framing a 
hypothetical concept involving dark matter hydrogen and a variation of 
Doppler cooling... without the laser, but with semi-coherent IR light 
and magneto-optics.


The energy of dense hydrogen is severely depleted by thousands of eV. 
One interpretation of that level of energy depletion is that dense 
hydrogen, at least as described by Mayer, is cold ... very cold, far 
below so-called absolute zero. Thus, in a reactor with ground state 
hydrogen being admitted, and under the influence of quantum entanglement 
with the dense hydrogen already there, H2 can be effectively catalyzed 
using IR light to give up 25 keV and condense to same level as the dense 
seed.


This is far from the original intent of "Fire from Ice" since cold 
fusion is not involved, but I think Gene would have liked it.


As for the ultimate energy source...again, the gain is ostensibly 
chemical but related to electron deflation instead of valence 
manipulation -- and thus can be labeled as "supra-chemical." In the end, 
excess energy derives from turning a hot electron into an extremely cold 
one.


Earlier post:

There seems to be a kernel of truth in most of the dense-hydrogen 
theories of the last 25 years, but the details are different. Perhaps 
it is useful to cherry-pick the juiciest fruit and come up with a more 
accurate hybrid to align the experiments to the theory.


If the Thermacore runaway reaction is replicated later this month, 
then one immediate goal is to explain the excess heat ... where a 
large mass of nickel (2000 grams or more) in the presence of hydrogen 
is raised to a trigger temperature, at which point the heat becomes 
self-sustaining and increasing until the nickel sinters and melts 
(without oxidizing) -- in the process destroying the reactor but 
without explosion or residual radioactivity.


Useful theories which are presently floating around are from Mills 
(hydrino) Holmlid (UDH) Mayer (quatrino) Meulenberg et al (DDL, 
femtohydrogen) Wigner (metallic hydrogen, 1936) Arata/Zhang 
(pycnohydrogen) Miley (IRH, inverted Rydberg hydrogen) Lawandy 
(unnamed 2D cluster) Heffner (deflated hydrogen) and others. None of 
these seems to stands on its own, but all are intuitive.


The common feature of these theories is the densification of hydrogen 
due to electron dissociation or ground state redundancy. The 
hydrogen's electron can become almost stationary or "deflated," 
retaining charge but giving up some or all of its angular momentum, 
which is independent of the nucleus. One detail of Mayer's theory, not 
previously mentioned, seems to be a tie-in to Horace Heffner's various 
"deflated" fusion concepts, except for the geometric scale. Horace 
suggests nuclear fusion, but in the Thermacore runaway there is 
apparently no indication of fusion. Also the active geometric scale of 
Mayer is larger than Heffner and Holmlid (Compton scale instead of 
femtoscale).


Mayer's deflated and nearly static electrons serve the function of 
electrostatic charge to bind two protons, along with their own 
magnetic dipole self attraction - resulting in a quatrino with 25 keV 
binding energy. Importantly, this particle is bosonic. Clusters of 
these quatrinos may act collectively as a PPP 
(phonon-plasmon-polariton) at elevated temperature where IR glow 
becomes the most obvious feature.


The possibility of electromagnetic bound states in which the magnetic 
and electric forces are equal and counterbalancing - has been 
suggested before but Mayer frames it nicely. In this example, the 
electrostatic force between two electrons e2=r2 is comparable with the 
dipole-dipole magnetic force 2e=r4 at a distance r*com, where com is 
the electron Compton wavelength, about 2.4 picometers. Thus the active 
particle 

RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

[Chris Zell]

I am forced to think about energy as motion rather than the ‘particle du jour’ 
thinking that dominates.  Is it possible to think of unpaired electron orbits 
as somehow re-routed so as to create a current flow?  I am also puzzled by the 
notion that magnetism is centrifugal force in some way, although when we pick 
up a magnet it does not behave as a gyroscope.
Maybe if we could figure out the ‘motion’ aspect of the problem, we could 
understand where the excess comes from….
I also wonder about patent applications made prior to a patent being 
classified…..or do they get suppressed as well? I recall that Ken Shoulders had 
a legal way around having his patents suppressed.


From: Chris Zell
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Subject: RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

The description of the Manelas device is extremely similar to the Sweet device. 
  And like that device, there seems to be a mystery about how an oddly 
magnetized slab worked – or how it was created. In Sweet’s case, it was barium 
ferrite, I recall.

From: bobcook39...@gmail.com 
[mailto:bobcook39...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 12:07 PM
To: Axil Axil >; vortex-l 
>
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Brian—

The cooling effect is unexpected.  It seems that it may be a reversal of the 
2nd Law of T/D—a decrease in entropy instead of an increase.

Do you know what the thermal conductivity is?  I would guess it may be very 
low, similar to the electrical conductivity.

Also is there an open circuit voltage produced?  I so where are the  electrodes 
attached—positive and negative?

It may be that the differential magnetic field inside to the outside acts to 
change the ordering and the entropy accordingly—inside to the surface.  The 
magnetic field may cause in effect a phase change—a change to more order.  It 
may happen only at a certain magnetic strength—B field that is.  And there may 
be a coupling to the Earth’s magnetic field for extraction of energy,  
consistent with energy conservation.

The differential temperature—inside to outside at the surface---maybe a thermal 
magnetic voltage source analogous to the well known thermal electric effect.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:20 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

More...

The Mandela bullot is flat and square with a large surface area. This flat 
topology with a large surface area might permit a maximum of magnetic dipoles 
to form on the surface of the Mandela bullot. I would like to know what type of 
gas filled the black box...is it protium or deuterium or air?

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
[Inline image 1]
The Manelas Device functional diagram



On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Axil Axil 
> wrote:
It might be that the pulsed current of the 137 kilohertz square wave input 
current produces a magnetic dipole with a large instantaneous power factor 
because the current is produced by a square wave like the Brillouin method. The 
24 volt constant current also produces heat and the strontium ferrite magnet is 
heat resistant. The maximum operating temperature of the magnet is 250C and the 
Curie temperature is 450C, With that high temperature operating capacity, 
coherent magnetically based Surface plasmon polaritons may form under the 
influence of the magnetic dipole motion that localize around the magnetic field 
lines as heat photons become entangled with electrons dipoles.

If these magnetic polaritons become coherent, these polaritons may produce 
enough magnetic power to destabilize the nuclei of the gas above the surface of 
the magnet inside the Mandela's Device black box.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Brian Ahern 
> wrote:

The Manelas billet is strontium ferrite and is very high electrical 
resistivity. This eliminates eddy currents as a loss mechanism


From: Axil Axil >
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE

Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE


"Note my recent comment regarding the Manelas Device reflecting your notice 
about the discovery of time crystals. There may be a connection with the 
magnetic materials used in the device.

Separately, I would note that the design of NAE’s may require a structure which 
allows high magnetic fields (10^12 –10^16 Tesla.) Structures that are 1 or 2 
dimensional may be the key, with the 1-D NAE supporting LENR+, 

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

[Alain Sepeda]

A decade ago I followed the LiFePO4 technology which was promising, as less
dense but totally safe...

What did it became? I don't hear of it anymore... Outpaced?

2017-02-14 8:41 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil :

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/new-damage-proof-
> battery-has-higher-energy-density-wont-explode/
>
> A safe battery.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only,
>> do not
>> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
>> contained
>> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
>> but not
>> by air?
>> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
>> aircraft. If
>> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
>> altitude
>> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

[Frank Grimer]

Thanks for that. Most interesting. Especially the video contrasting the
effect of brutality on the liquid lithium and the solid lithium batteries.
:-)

On 14 February 2017 at 07:41, Axil Axil  wrote:

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/new-damage-proof-
> battery-has-higher-energy-density-wont-explode/
>
> A safe battery.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only,
>> do not
>> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
>> contained
>> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
>> but not
>> by air?
>> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
>> aircraft. If
>> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
>> altitude
>> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>