RE: [Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

[bobcook39923]

The Quark-x temperatures are much higher.  However, I do not believe there is a 
true plasma.  Cooling would be to great with the Li vapor around.  I would say 
small drops of Ni may be present with a structure that still could promote 
LENR,  assuming the drops have the correct fuel to support a nuclear transition 
to a lower potential energy and an electronic structure (mass) big enough to 
accept  increased  phonic energy less than what would vaporize the drop.   

Quickly changing the resonant conditions to limit successive nuclear 
transitions in any single drop so it can cool may take some trial and error 
R  The heat transfer calculations may not be easy.  Its not unlike problems 
with the thermal design of fission reactors.

Engineering the small reactor to be cooled and still maintain a structure to 
promote LENR is the result of extensive, intensive R IMHO.

Bob Cook




From: Axil Axil
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 2:45 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

The LENR developers that you are backing better get their buts in gear, or they 
will be left far behind in the marketplace by these plasma based LENR products. 

Sometimes words are not enough.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
Axil Axil  wrote:
 
What is the difference between the SunCell and the QuarkX...not much if 
anything.
 
Indeed, they are both figments of the imagination.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:

The LENR developers that you are backing . . .
>

I am not backing any particular developers. I back all researchers, but not
the frauds such as Rossi and Defkalion.

I do not know anything about the SunCell, but those people say they are not
doing cold fusion.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

[Axil Axil]

The LENR developers that you are backing better get their buts in gear, or
they will be left far behind in the marketplace by these plasma based LENR
products.

Sometimes words are not enough.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>> What is the difference between the SunCell and the QuarkX...not much if
>> anything.
>>
>
> Indeed, they are both figments of the imagination.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:


> What is the difference between the SunCell and the QuarkX...not much if
> anything.
>

Indeed, they are both figments of the imagination.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

[Axil Axil]

​One of the obvious implications of these recent QuarkX revelations found
in the recent Rossi theory is that LENR theory has nothing to do with
anything relating to lattice based processes. LENR exists in a plasma based
environment. 28 years of palladium based hydrogen loading theory, cracks,
surface prep, and so on goes out the window.

What is the difference between the SunCell and the QuarkX...not much if
anything.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/03/mar-24-2017-lenr-coping-with.html
>
>
> peter
>
> --
> Dr. Peter Gluck
> Cluj, Romania
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>

[Vo]:rare event- information abundance in LENR

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/03/mar-24-2017-lenr-coping-with.html


peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Gullstrom-Rossi theory of nuclear/electron-spin-orbit coupling with nuclear transitions to lower potential energy

[Jones Beene]

Stephen, yes that is interesting, but Gullstrom should have teamed up 
with Holmlid, not Rossi.


Holmlid claims to have seen muons, and Rossi's claim is nickel and 
lithium isotopic shifts. There is really no similarity. But basically 
the paper is a sham, in that it does not present any experimental data 
to support the hypothesis.


The paper can only have been presented by Rossi in a last ditch effort 
to salvage a legal claim which appears to be dead-in-the-water.



Stephen Cooke wrote:
Well one thing I found interesting is the light Sigma Mesons referred 
to in this paper is I think around 500MeV.


This is quite close I think to the mass of the Kaons.

Could nucleon resonance of a Sigma Meson some how open the door to 
Kaon emission?


There is a nucleon resonance window for Phi meson emission used by 
Kaon factories such as Delphi and other such experiments but I suppose 
this would require higher energies around 900MeV.




On 23 Mar 2017, at 16:15, Jones Beene > wrote:


Well, this could actually win a prize - in the existential fiction 
category. It is most reminiscent of Sartre's 'Being and Nothingness.'


The "Summary and Discussion" at the end essentially says it all: "The 
needed parameters are not known from experiment" 


This would not be the first time that a decent explanation is 
desperately seeking to find a validating experiment, but there is a 
logical disconnect midway through, with no attempt to integrate two 
distinct topics... indicating that there is no there there.


Possibly a PR event in disguise... aimed at influencing an upcoming 
jury trial



Stephen Cooke wrote:
If I'm not wrong this coupling of isospin states of the sigma meson 
could even have implications at nucleon level. Especially if it 
really is the mediator of the strong force as has been speculated 
over the last few decades.


If this theory turns out to be correct and if I understood correctly 
that there is a long range coupling component under special 
conditions I wonder if this could also have implications for 
Holmlids ideas and experiments?


"bobcook39...@gmail.com " wrote:


VORTS—

Finally a theory coupling electron orbital energy states with 
nuclear energy states involving magnetic fields and isotopic shifts 
to lower potential energy.


It fits the LENR multibody reaction model and explains the lack of 
energetic particles associated with two- body nuclear reactions.  
 I give it a thumbs up!


And it may be in time for consideration by the distinguished 
Swedish Committee that evaluates scientific advances for 2017.


Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:Gullstrom-Rossi theory of nuclear/electron-spin-orbit coupling with nuclear transitions to lower potential energy

[Stephen Cooke]

Well one thing I found interesting is the light Sigma Mesons referred to in 
this paper is I think around 500MeV.

This is quite close I think to the mass of the Kaons.

Could nucleon resonance of a Sigma Meson some how open the door to Kaon 
emission?

There is a nucleon resonance window for Phi meson emission used by Kaon 
factories such as Delphi and other such experiments but I suppose this would 
require higher energies around 900MeV.



On 23 Mar 2017, at 16:15, Jones Beene 
> wrote:


Well, this could actually win a prize - in the existential fiction category. It 
is most reminiscent of Sartre's 'Being and Nothingness.'

The "Summary and Discussion" at the end essentially says it all: "The needed 
parameters are not known from experiment" 

This would not be the first time that a decent explanation is desperately 
seeking to find a validating experiment, but there is a logical disconnect 
midway through, with no attempt to integrate two distinct topics... indicating 
that there is no there there.

Possibly a PR event in disguise... aimed at influencing an upcoming jury trial


Stephen Cooke wrote:
If I'm not wrong this coupling of isospin states of the sigma meson could even 
have implications at nucleon level. Especially if it really is the mediator of 
the strong force as has been speculated over the last few decades.

If this theory turns out to be correct and if I understood correctly that there 
is a long range coupling component under special conditions I wonder if this 
could also have implications for Holmlids ideas and experiments?

"bobcook39...@gmail.com" wrote:

VORTS—

Finally a theory coupling electron orbital energy states with nuclear energy 
states involving magnetic fields and isotopic shifts to lower potential energy.

It fits the LENR multibody reaction model and explains the lack of energetic 
particles associated with two- body nuclear reactions.   I give it a thumbs up!

And it may be in time for consideration by the distinguished Swedish Committee 
that evaluates scientific advances for 2017.

Bob Cook

Re: [Vo]:Gullstrom-Rossi theory of nuclear/electron-spin-orbit coupling with nuclear transitions to lower potential energy

[Stephen Cooke]

Hi Frank,

You know since discovering your book I have always found your ideas 
interesting. I should take a look at it again though it's been a while.

I do think ideas have their time and come round again sometimes decades later. 
Sometimes after future breakthroughs people revisit past ideas and sudden they 
seem much clearer. I think there is a lot of potential for that with current 
breakthroughs in LENR.

Stephen

On 23 Mar 2017, at 16:06, Frank Znidarsic 
> wrote:


If I'm not wrong this coupling of isospin states of the sigma meson could even 
have implications at nucleon level. Especially if it really is the mediator of 
the strong force as has been speculated over the last few decades.



The nuclear-magnetic spin orbit force (not electro-magnetic) is not conserved.  
Under certain conditions it can dramatically increase in range.
I said this 18 years ago at a meeting of ANS-2000  and it was published by ANS. 
 The condition is:

"The constants of the motion tend toward the electromagnetic in a Bose 
condensate that is stimulated at a a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 metes 
per second."

No-one else has been this precise.

Frank Z