Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[ROGER ANDERTON]

>>>The problem now-a-days is that the R&D persons foster mistakes, since more 
>>>mistakes mean more money to make more mistakes.  

same method as used by mainstream theorists: keep piling on mistakes to 
existing theories to create things like dark matter, dark energy et al that  
then need more add-ons; generating more money needed for theoretical research.
When from History of physics it was simple matter to workout what the  theory 
was to replace Aristotelian physics once the decision was made to go for the 
replacement; unified field theory presented 1758 by Fr.Boscovich
Introduction to Boscovich talk by Stoiljkovich + existential crisis in physics 
R Anderton ANPA 2016

  
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>>I have found that it is possible to find out some of the failures by going to 
>>conferences and talking with people.  For every field there is usually 
>>someone who knows what has been done, and what has worked and what has not. 

when I did that I found Hector Munera knew more than me. His talk on 
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Jones and Nygel—   I worked for a good engineer for 18 years.  His moto was:   
“It takes a $M worth of mistakes to make a good engineer,” and that was 50 
years ago and applied to engineers and scientists, mostly engineers.    The 
problem now-a-days is that the R&D persons foster mistakes, since more mistakes 
mean more money to make more mistakes.  Look at the hot fusion R&D situation.   
 I  have found that the “devil is in the details.”   The article Harry and 
Nigel have noted is right on IMHO.    Mistakes AND null experiments should be 
made public by those who want to further technical development and all 
scientists to further understanding  nature—this being the objective of 
authentic scientists.  Keeping the natural laws secret is the role of paid 
investigators of natural laws or commercial pseudo- scientists so to speak.     
 Bob Cook      .           
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures   The problem is 
that with many experiments, the result may clearly be not successful, or the 
experiment may have ended prematurely, but it is NOT a complete failure and has 
an avenues for improvement. Null results often point to avenues for 
improvement. Most often, this is not an "either/or" situation.Since the 
experimenter may want to see the work repeated, and may have plans to do it 
better himself, he is not willing to label it as a failure and in the end - may 
take the easy route ... which is doing nothing. "Doing nothing" preserves his 
ability to seek additional funding with improvements added, whereas a negative 
report makes continuation less likely.In LENR, this kind of thing can be seen 
clearly with the Parkhomov "replications" or lack thereof. There were many null 
results, but several of those appeared to have slight gain, or else some other 
redeeming value such as a radiation burst.Of course, the equivocal results 
could be written up in a way that does not prejudice future work - but then we 
are asking that the experimenter be both an expert in the Lab as well as an 
excellent writer.   Nigel Dyer wrote: 
Excellent article.I have found that it is possible to find out some of the 
failures by going to conferences and talking with people.  For every field 
there is usually someone who knows what has been done, and what has worked and 
what has not.  The problem is that this is very hit and miss and the 
information is not very accessible, which is not a good way to do scienceNigel 
H LV wrote: 
Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

We don’t ask people in other professions to do it, but it’s vital for speeding 
up progress in crucia

[Vo]:2 ISSUES OF EGO OUT TODAY

[Peter Gluck]

First a present for the PdD faithful:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/04/apr-16-2017-lenr-dr-vitalii-kirkinskii.html

and second a shortened current issue:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/04/apr-16-2017-lenr-current-simplified.html

HAPPY EASTER!

peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Frank Znidarsic]

Thanks,  The home made thing I have charges up to 10KV at a hundred or so 
joules.  I was using it 20 years ago for ball lightning experiments. 


When it goes off the electronic  doorbell rings with a 60 hertz grown even 
though it is no were near the discharge.  I don't like and am going to let it 
set.


It appears that the stimulation has to be intense for cold fusion to proceed.  
Nano particles react intensely to thermal stimulation.


I was hoping that low conductivity of a silver loop would allow for the buildup 
of intense microwave energy without the disputation as thermal energy.


The experiment failed as did all of the others.


Frank




















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I built a Marx generator powered by a cheap 7kV generator

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-3V-7KV-7000V-Boost-Step-up-Power-Module-High-voltage-Converter-Generator-S52-/122391848213?hash=item1c7f1f6515:g:LqUAAOSwo6lWOc7o
It worked quite succesfully for a couple of days experiments, during
which I found that the high dV/dT it generates causes false positiveclicks 
on my cheap geiger counter.  A useful peice of information.Then the 
gnerator died.  I bought 5 more but have not done anythingwith them

Nigel






-Original Message-
From: Nigel Dyer 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Apr 16, 2017 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures



I built a Marx generator powered by a cheap 7kV generator

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-3V-7KV-7000V-Boost-Step-up-Power-Module-High-voltage-Converter-Generator-S52-/122391848213?hash=item1c7f1f6515:g:LqUAAOSwo6lWOc7o
It worked quite succesfully for a couple of days experiments, during
which I found that the high dV/dT it generates causes false positiveclicks 
on my cheap geiger counter.  A useful peice of information.Then the 
gnerator died.  I bought 5 more but have not done anythingwith them

Nigel

On 16/04/2017 17:41, Frank Znidarsic  wrote:


Anatomy of afailed experiment.  



Hydrogen loading effects the plasma frequency.  I don't  believe the 
nonsense about hydrinos and cracks.   Sub atomic  particles and the 
like are just more nonsense at this energy  level.   




Thermal frequencies are terahertz 10 to the twelfth power  hertz.  At 
high hydrogen loading the plasma frequency changes  to that  of hot 
thermal vibrations 10 to the thirteen power  hertz.  Obliviously silver 
will not achieve the high loading  required for hot thermal operation.  
I was shooting for  operation at the high microwave band ten to the 
tenth power  hertz.  I want a lower plasma frequency.   That's why I 
tried  the helium.





  

  
  
Maybe I shroud dig out my high voltage spark gap exciter. It 
delivers a wallop upon breakdown.  Then again this thingscares me, 
maybe not.
  

  
  
Frank

  

  

  

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Nigel Dyer]

I built a Marx generator powered by a cheap 7kV generator

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-3V-7KV-7000V-Boost-Step-up-Power-Module-High-voltage-Converter-Generator-S52-/122391848213?hash=item1c7f1f6515:g:LqUAAOSwo6lWOc7o

It worked quite succesfully for a couple of days experiments, during 
which I found that the high dV/dT it generates causes false positive 
clicks on my cheap geiger counter.  A useful peice of information. Then 
the gnerator died.  I bought 5 more but have not done anything with them


Nigel
On 16/04/2017 17:41, Frank Znidarsic wrote:

Anatomy of a failed experiment.

Hydrogen loading effects the plasma frequency.  I don't believe the 
nonsense about hydrinos and cracks.   Sub atomic particles and the 
like are just more nonsense at this energy level.


Thermal frequencies are terahertz 10 to the twelfth power hertz.  At 
high hydrogen loading the plasma frequency changes to that  of hot 
thermal vibrations 10 to the thirteen power hertz.  Obliviously silver 
will not achieve the high loading required for hot thermal operation. 
 I was shooting for operation at the high microwave band ten to the 
tenth power hertz.  I want a lower plasma frequency.   That's why I 
tried the helium.




Maybe I shroud dig out my high voltage spark gap exciter.  It delivers 
a wallop upon breakdown.  Then again this thing scares me, maybe not.


Frank

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Frank Znidarsic]

Anatomy of a failed experiment.  


Hydrogen loading effects the plasma frequency.  I don't believe the nonsense 
about hydrinos and cracks.   Sub atomic particles and the like are just more 
nonsense at this energy level.   


Thermal frequencies are terahertz 10 to the twelfth power hertz.  At high 
hydrogen loading the plasma frequency changes to that  of hot thermal 
vibrations 10 to the thirteen power hertz.  Obliviously silver will not achieve 
the high loading required for hot thermal operation.  I was shooting for 
operation at the high microwave band ten to the tenth power hertz.  I want a 
lower plasma frequency.   That's why I tried the helium.






Maybe I shroud dig out my high voltage spark gap exciter.  It delivers a wallop 
upon breakdown.  Then again this thing scares me, maybe not.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: fznidarsic ; vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Apr 16, 2017 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures


Here is the picture of the latest failed experiment.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/silver.jpg


to left hydrogen and helium cylinders.
Center signal generator.  I was set to square wave for the max possible 
summation with harmonics.
To right silver wire in bottle.  Silver was is in a loop to allow circulating 
currents.
RF tuning capacitor to select harmonics.


No anomalous energy.  If I ever get anomalous energy you can believe me.


..
I may try my media recorder with android M and android Kit cat.  here is my 
code.



//create and instance of media 
recorder.

mRecorder = new MediaRecorder();



//start recording button

Button StartRecording = (Button) findViewById(R.id.record);





//SET UP THE OnCLICK LISTENER FOR Start recording

StartRecording.setOnClickListener(new View.OnClickListener() {

  @Override

  public void onClick(View v) {





  if ( mRecorder != null){

  //mRecorder.release();

  mRecorder.reset();



  Log.e("1. ", "Recorder reset");



  }

  
toneG.startTone(ToneGenerator.TONE_CDMA_ALERT_CALL_GUARD, 100);



  sleep(500);



  //set the path to this apps storage 
location

  String path = 
Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory().getAbsolutePath();

  path += "/WatchDog1.mp4";





  //  Set the Recording 
parametersnote the mike has to turned on manually

  try {







  
mRecorder.setVideoSource(MediaRecorder.VideoSource.CAMERA);

 
mRecorder.setOutputFormat(MediaRecorder.OutputFormat.THREE_GPP);



  //  encoder

  
mRecorder.setVideoEncoder(MediaRecorder.VideoEncoder.H263);

  // 
mRecorder.setAudioEncoder(MediaRecorder.AudioEncoder.AAC);



  mRecorder.setOutputFile(path);





 // mRecorder.setVideoFrameRate(29);

//  mRecorder.setMaxDuration(1);

// mRecorder.setVideoSize(640, 480);







  } catch (Exception e) {

  Log.e("2. ", "Recorder not 
initalized");

  }





  //start the recorder

  //  makeText(getApplicationContext(), 
R.string.toast2, LENGTH_SHORT).show();





  try {

  mRecorder.prepare();

  } catch (IOException e) {

  // 
Log.e(String.valueOf(tag),"Recorder not prepared");

  System.out.println("Recorder Prep 
Error " + e.getMessage());

  }





  {



  }





  try



  {

  mRecorder.start();

  }



 

RE: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones and Nygel—

I worked for a good engineer for 18 years.  His moto was:

“It takes a $M worth of mistakes to make a good engineer,” and that was 50 
years ago and applied to engineers and scientists, mostly engineers.

The problem now-a-days is that the R&D persons foster mistakes, since more 
mistakes mean more money to make more mistakes.  Look at the hot fusion R&D 
situation.

I  have found that the “devil is in the details.”   The article Harry and Nigel 
have noted is right on IMHO.

Mistakes AND null experiments should be made public by those who want to 
further technical development and all scientists to further understanding  
nature—this being the objective of authentic scientists.  Keeping the natural 
laws secret is the role of paid investigators of natural laws or commercial 
pseudo- scientists so to speak.

Bob Cook


.




Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:59 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures


The problem is that with many experiments, the result may clearly be not 
successful, or the experiment may have ended prematurely, but it is NOT a 
complete failure and has an avenues for improvement. Null results often point 
to avenues for improvement. Most often, this is not an "either/or" situation.

Since the experimenter may want to see the work repeated, and may have plans to 
do it better himself, he is not willing to label it as a failure and in the end 
- may take the easy route ... which is doing nothing. "Doing nothing" preserves 
his ability to seek additional funding with improvements added, whereas a 
negative report makes continuation less likely.

In LENR, this kind of thing can be seen clearly with the Parkhomov 
"replications" or lack thereof. There were many null results, but several of 
those appeared to have slight gain, or else some other redeeming value such as 
a radiation burst.

Of course, the equivocal results could be written up in a way that does not 
prejudice future work - but then we are asking that the experimenter be both an 
expert in the Lab as well as an excellent writer.


Nigel Dyer wrote:

Excellent article.

I have found that it is possible to find out some of the failures by going to 
conferences and talking with people.  For every field there is usually someone 
who knows what has been done, and what has worked and what has not.  The 
problem is that this is very hit and miss and the information is not very 
accessible, which is not a good way to do science

Nigel
 H LV wrote:
Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

We don’t ask people in other professions to do it, but it’s vital for speeding 
up progress in crucial areas of research from climate to medicine and public 
health

By Ijad Madisch on April 13, 2017

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/why-scientists-must-share-their-failures/?WT.mc_id=SA_FB_POLE_BLOG

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Frank Znidarsic]

Here is the picture of the latest failed experiment.


http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/silver.jpg


to left hydrogen and helium cylinders.
Center signal generator.  I was set to square wave for the max possible 
summation with harmonics.
To right silver wire in bottle.  Silver was is in a loop to allow circulating 
currents.
RF tuning capacitor to select harmonics.


No anomalous energy.  If I ever get anomalous energy you can believe me.


..
I may try my media recorder with android M and android Kit cat.  here is my 
code.



//create and instance of media 
recorder.
mRecorder = new MediaRecorder();

//start recording button
Button StartRecording = (Button) findViewById(R.id.record);


//SET UP THE OnCLICK LISTENER FOR Start recording
StartRecording.setOnClickListener(new View.OnClickListener() {
  @Override
  public void onClick(View v) {


  if ( mRecorder != null){
  //mRecorder.release();
  mRecorder.reset();

  Log.e("1. ", "Recorder reset");

  }
  
toneG.startTone(ToneGenerator.TONE_CDMA_ALERT_CALL_GUARD, 100);

  sleep(500);

  //set the path to this apps storage 
location
  String path = 
Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory().getAbsolutePath();
  path += "/WatchDog1.mp4";


  //  Set the Recording 
parametersnote the mike has to turned on manually
  try {



  
mRecorder.setVideoSource(MediaRecorder.VideoSource.CAMERA);
 
mRecorder.setOutputFormat(MediaRecorder.OutputFormat.THREE_GPP);

  //  encoder
  
mRecorder.setVideoEncoder(MediaRecorder.VideoEncoder.H263);
  // 
mRecorder.setAudioEncoder(MediaRecorder.AudioEncoder.AAC);

  mRecorder.setOutputFile(path);


 // mRecorder.setVideoFrameRate(29);
//  mRecorder.setMaxDuration(1);
// mRecorder.setVideoSize(640, 480);



  } catch (Exception e) {
  Log.e("2. ", "Recorder not 
initalized");
  }


  //start the recorder
  //  makeText(getApplicationContext(), 
R.string.toast2, LENGTH_SHORT).show();


  try {
  mRecorder.prepare();
  } catch (IOException e) {
  // 
Log.e(String.valueOf(tag),"Recorder not prepared");
  System.out.println("Recorder Prep 
Error " + e.getMessage());
  }


  {

  }


  try

  {
  mRecorder.start();
  }

  catch(Exception e){

  System.out.println("Recorder not 
started   Error Message= " + e.getMessage());


  }


  }


  }

);




Frank








-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Apr 16, 2017 11:08 am
Subject: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures







This may be the problem with the app.  Oh what a pain.


http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26990816/mediarecorder-issue-on-android-lollipop



-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Apr 16, 2017 10:49 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures


Sharing now:




Tried a silver 22 gauge wire in hydrogen and then helium at one atm.
I put the wire and the gas in a small plastic bottle upside down so in case it 
blew
up it would project no shrapnel.  Wires for the RF stimulation enter at the 
bottom.


The wire was stimulated with RF (1 to 100

[Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Frank Znidarsic]

This may be the problem with the app.  Oh what a pain.


http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26990816/mediarecorder-issue-on-android-lollipop



-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Apr 16, 2017 10:49 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures


Sharing now:




Tried a silver 22 gauge wire in hydrogen and then helium at one atm.
I put the wire and the gas in a small plastic bottle upside down so in case it 
blew
up it would project no shrapnel.  Wires for the RF stimulation enter at the 
bottom.


The wire was stimulated with RF (1 to 100 MHZ) and with a milli watt laser.  I 
did not use my high voltage spark gap exciter but rather a signal generator.


No anomalous energy was produced and the arrangement is still setting there 
doing nothing.  So much for that.


.


On the app side I am trying to get a video recorder up and recording.  My last 
apps did audio.  The programming
seems similar, however, the error appears "media-recorder failed to start"  I 
have no clue and no help.  I may quit this for now as I need to fix the roof, 
paint, treat for termites, work on one of the cars, clean the cellar, and 
similar spring time stuff.


Frank




  

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Frank Znidarsic]

Sharing now:




Tried a silver 22 gauge wire in hydrogen and then helium at one atm.
I put the wire and the gas in a small plastic bottle upside down so in case it 
blew
up it would project no shrapnel.  Wires for the RF stimulation enter at the 
bottom.


The wire was stimulated with RF (1 to 100 MHZ) and with a milli watt laser.  I 
did not use my high voltage spark gap exciter but rather a signal generator.


No anomalous energy was produced and the arrangement is still setting there 
doing nothing.  So much for that.


.


On the app side I am trying to get a video recorder up and recording.  My last 
apps did audio.  The programming
seems similar, however, the error appears "media-recorder failed to start"  I 
have no clue and no help.  I may quit this for now as I need to fix the roof, 
paint, treat for termites, work on one of the cars, clean the cellar, and 
similar spring time stuff.


Frank




  

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Jones Beene]

The problem is that with many experiments, the result may clearly be not 
successful, or the experiment may have ended prematurely, but it is NOT 
a complete failure and has an avenues for improvement. Null results 
often point to avenues for improvement. Most often, this is not an 
"either/or" situation.


Since the experimenter may want to see the work repeated, and may have 
plans to do it better himself, he is not willing to label it as a 
failure and in the end - may take the easy route ... which is doing 
nothing. "Doing nothing" preserves his ability to seek additional 
funding with improvements added, whereas a negative report makes 
continuation less likely.


In LENR, this kind of thing can be seen clearly with the Parkhomov 
"replications" or lack thereof. There were many null results, but 
several of those appeared to have slight gain, or else some other 
redeeming value such as a radiation burst.


Of course, the equivocal results could be written up in a way that does 
not prejudice future work - but then we are asking that the experimenter 
be both an expert in the Lab as well as an excellent writer.



Nigel Dyer wrote:


Excellent article.

I have found that it is possible to find out some of the failures by 
going to conferences and talking with people.  For every field there 
is usually someone who knows what has been done, and what has worked 
and what has not.  The problem is that this is very hit and miss and 
the information is not very accessible, which is not a good way to do 
science


Nigel

 H LV wrote:

Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

We don’t ask people in other professions to do it, but it’s vital for 
speeding up progress in crucial areas of research from climate to 
medicine and public health


By Ijad Madisch on April 13, 2017

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/why-scientists-must-share-their-failures/?WT.mc_id=SA_FB_POLE_BLOG

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Nigel Dyer]

In the specific case of LENR/cold fusion, vortex-l provides an excellent 
source of this sort of information.  There have been a number of times 
when I have searched the archive to find whether something had been 
tried or considered and found the information from a discussion at some 
point in the past.  For this I am very grateful to all the 
contributers.  I only wish I had access to similar information for other 
research I am involved with.


Nigel

On 16/04/2017 11:56, John Berry wrote:

So if that was done with cold fusion...

IMO failures in experimental sciences are too specific for it to be 
meaningful.


It might have limited application, but mostly, I don't see it, too 
often success and failure is just an inch apart.


John Berry

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Nigel Dyer > wrote:


Excellent article.

I have found that it is possible to find out some of the failures
by going to conferences and talking with people.  For every field
there is usually someone who knows what has been done, and what
has worked and what has not.  The problem is that this is very hit
and miss and the information is not very accessible, which is not
a good way to do science

Nigel

On 15/04/2017 22:06, H LV wrote:

Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

We don’t ask people in other professions to do it, but it’s vital
for speeding up progress in crucial areas of research from
climate to medicine and public health

By Ijad Madisch on April 13, 2017


https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/why-scientists-must-share-their-failures/?WT.mc_id=SA_FB_POLE_BLOG

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[John Berry]

So if that was done with cold fusion...

IMO failures in experimental sciences are too specific for it to be
meaningful.

It might have limited application, but mostly, I don't see it, too often
success and failure is just an inch apart.

John Berry

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Nigel Dyer  wrote:

> Excellent article.
>
> I have found that it is possible to find out some of the failures by going
> to conferences and talking with people.  For every field there is usually
> someone who knows what has been done, and what has worked and what has
> not.  The problem is that this is very hit and miss and the information is
> not very accessible, which is not a good way to do science
>
> Nigel
> On 15/04/2017 22:06, H LV wrote:
>
> Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures
>
> We don’t ask people in other professions to do it, but it’s vital for
> speeding up progress in crucial areas of research from climate to medicine
> and public health
>
> By Ijad Madisch on April 13, 2017
>
> https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/why-scientists-must-
> share-their-failures/?WT.mc_id=SA_FB_POLE_BLOG
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

[Nigel Dyer]

Excellent article.

I have found that it is possible to find out some of the failures by 
going to conferences and talking with people.  For every field there is 
usually someone who knows what has been done, and what has worked and 
what has not.  The problem is that this is very hit and miss and the 
information is not very accessible, which is not a good way to do science


Nigel

On 15/04/2017 22:06, H LV wrote:

Why Scientists Must Share Their Failures

We don’t ask people in other professions to do it, but it’s vital for 
speeding up progress in crucial areas of research from climate to 
medicine and public health


By Ijad Madisch on April 13, 2017

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/why-scientists-must-share-their-failures/?WT.mc_id=SA_FB_POLE_BLOG