[Vo]:Why Rossi 'won'

[Che]

This has likely already been pointed out here -- but I'll point it out now
(again), if it hasn't.


Here’s The Settlement—Getting The License Back Was Rossi’s Top Priority



The bottom line appears to be that IH 'settled' -- because they simply
could not *prove* fraud (which perhaps, never actually took place -- at
least the way IH sees it). Simple as that. So they would have _lost_ the
case if it had gone to trial -- and been liable for whatever _they_ would
have been liable for.

Rossi OTOH, strategically forewent the money he was 'owed': because he
valued the IP over everything else -- and is smart enuff to know when to
'fold' and walk away.


Is that it, or close enuff..?

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Kevin O'Malley]

I admit to being wrong, when I'm wrong.   That's step 10 for all you
friends of Bill.

And since I said pretty much EXACTLY the same thing you did, doesn't
that make you wrong?   The only one who's shown malice on this thread
is you.

On 7/21/17, Che  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> You're saying EXACTLY the same thing I and others were saying on the
>> link provided, jerk.
>>
>
> At this point I do not CARE what you have to say: because the bottom line
> is, you injected 'it's a scam' into the thread, right at the beginning. For
> that alone, you are just wrong AND malicious AFAIC. On top of being the
> usual sort who will never admit to being wrong, no matter what.
>
>
> But back to the IMPORTANT things. Like *somebody*, somewhere, finally
> coming up with a cold fusion steam engine that churns out impressive
> quantities of energy, independent of the wastrel, polluting corporate
> utilities.
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Che]

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> ECCO shows that the preparation of the LENR fuel is required for a
> sucessful LENR reaction to take hold.
>
> This was true for the Papp engine all the way up to and including the
> Rossi and ME356 reactors.
>
> We have to ask ourselves, what can the preparation of fuel do to enable
> the LENR effect? Something is produced in the fuel that is special. A
> theory of LENR must include a description and the function of the special
> element in the fuel.
>

AFAIK, surface area is being maximized at some scale which is crucial for
cold fusion reactions to occur efficiently -- same inside a lattice as on
the surface of particles. There are probably any number of configurations
which would work, depending on the elements involved. Lots of variables
there.

Apparently, the smaller the grains -- the more closely the system
approaches an ideal state. Whatever that is.




> ECCO uses cavitation to produce this special thing.
>

This has to be one of the most important facts to take away from this (and
other?) cold fusion experiments. Cavitation -- along with directly-applied
radiation of sundry frequencies -- appears to be a/the most efficient
method of getting energy directly into whatever matter matrix is required
to sustain a reaction.





> One of the most closely held secret that Rossi has is his method of fuel
> production. For example in the IH/Rossi lawsuit settlement, IH was force to
> destroy all written records about the production of the fuel.
>

Secrecy empowers the powerful. It is, *by its very nature*,
ANTI-democratic. i.e.: a THREAT to democracy -- and thus a threat to
scientific inquiry and the scientific method. Not to mention good
engineering.

By corollary, the seeking-after of 'profit' is the handmaiden of said
secrecy and power-mongering.







> In the ME356 reactor test, ME356 states that this fuel was weak because he
> did not have enough time to process the fuel. So the duel must be a state
> of matter that contains a LENR sensitive factor that takes time to produce
> and that factor increases over time. The ECCO fuel preparation process
> takes 200 hours to complete. So a cavitation based factor must accumulate
> the LENR factor a little at a time to become LENR enabled.
>
> What can noble gas compounds and cavitation have in common?
>
> Anybody have any ideas?
>


Noble gases are essentially inert..?

AFAIK, what takes time here is the grinding down of the powder in a slurry,
to the optimum particle size: AFAIC _not_ a likely issue in any commercial
production process.

[Vo]:I can't be that far off

[Frank Znidarsic]

I developed a model of reality.  This model sets the velocity of sound in the 
nucleus to the velocity of light in the atom.  The model produced many known 
results.


1.  The radii of the atoms.
2.  The intensity of spectral emissions.
3.  The fine structure of the atom
4.  Special Relativity
5.  The deBroble wave as a beat note.
6.  The fine structure constant alpha.
7.  and more


This model gave the radius of the proton as 1.36 Fermis.  Jones pointed out 
that this result was wrong.   I could not find what was wrong with the model.   
I later discovered that 1.36 Fermis is the spacing of protons within the 
nucleus.  The unwanted result was correct.  My faith in the model increased.


The model also showed that terahertz vibration reinforced a superconductive 
condensate.  My lectures of 15 years ago stated this result.  It was pointed 
out to me, many times, that thermal vibrations would tear Cooper pairs apart 
and destroy the condensate.  Recent experiments have pointed out that the 
model's result is correct.


http://www.mpsd.mpg.de/116013/1412-vibes-for-superc-cavalleri





The model also shows:


1.  How to induce low level nuclear reactions.
2.  How to reduce inertial mass
3.  How to induce a strong gravitomagnetic field.




These technologies will change the type of our civilization.  Given the track 
record of the other predictions,  How wrong can it be?
No shrunken atoms, zero point energy, or heavy neutron model can do this.


Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Axil Axil]

ECCO shows that the preparation of the LENR fuel is required for a
sucessful LENR reaction to take hold.

This was true for the Papp engine all the way up to and including the Rossi
and ME356 reactors.

We have to ask ourselves, what can the preparation of fuel do to enable the
LENR effect? Something is produced in the fuel that is special. A theory of
LENR must include a description and the function of the special element in
the fuel. ECCO uses cavitation to produce this special thing. One of the
most closely held secret that Rossi has is his method of fuel production.
For example in the IH/Rossi lawsuit settlement, IH was force to destroy all
written records about the production of the fuel. In the ME356 reactor
test, ME356 states that this fuel was weak because he did not have enough
time to process the fuel. So the duel must be a state of matter that
contains a LENR sensitive factor that takes time to produce and that factor
increases over time. The ECCO fuel preparation process takes 200 hours to
complete. So a cavitation based factor must accumulate the LENR factor a
little at a time to become LENR enabled.

What can noble gas compounds and cavitation have in common?

Anybody have any ideas?

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> You're saying EXACTLY the same thing I and others were saying on the
>> link provided, jerk.
>>
>
> At this point I do not CARE what you have to say: because the bottom line
> is, you injected 'it's a scam' into the thread, right at the beginning. For
> that alone, you are just wrong AND malicious AFAIC. On top of being the
> usual sort who will never admit to being wrong, no matter what.
>
>
> But back to the IMPORTANT things. Like *somebody*, somewhere, finally
> coming up with a cold fusion steam engine that churns out impressive
> quantities of energy, independent of the wastrel, polluting corporate
> utilities.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Che]

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> You're saying EXACTLY the same thing I and others were saying on the
> link provided, jerk.
>

At this point I do not CARE what you have to say: because the bottom line
is, you injected 'it's a scam' into the thread, right at the beginning. For
that alone, you are just wrong AND malicious AFAIC. On top of being the
usual sort who will never admit to being wrong, no matter what.


But back to the IMPORTANT things. Like *somebody*, somewhere, finally
coming up with a cold fusion steam engine that churns out impressive
quantities of energy, independent of the wastrel, polluting corporate
utilities.

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Kevin O'Malley]

You're saying EXACTLY the same thing I and others were saying on the
link provided, jerk.



On 7/21/17, Che  wrote:
>
>>
>
> What you said sounded nothing of the sort; so don't B.S. us, OK? And as for
> the 'logic' of this thing: while banks are forever run by greedy assholes
> and can be expected to ALWAYS make pin-headed 'business' decisions, the
> *timing* of this particular blindside seems AFAIC wholly suspicious... and
> IMO speaks of outside interference. But how that then morphs into a
> 'scamming' of a perennially underfunded volunteer undertaking like the MFMP
> stretches the very concept.
>
> So again: I think you're trying to 'pull a fast one' here, to cover for
> your initial bad attitude.
> Like the ruling-class oligarchy and its minions: NEVER admit you're wrong.
> Right?
>
> In any case: I hope this guy and his team make it to Europa -- and to a new
> lab. And DON'T start 'pulling a Rossi' on the World.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What?   You're the one who started with the personal bullshit.
>> >> Buying real estate to help out an experimenter's debt situation is
>> >> pretty far afield from what MFMP's stated mission is declared.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > You *accused* them of scamming. YOU started this, bub.
>> > But I have lots of experience with your type, understand... so don't
>> think
>> > you're going to be able to misdirect anything here.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kevin O'Malley
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Occham's Razor applies in scientific politics as well as it applies
>> to
>> >> >> other inductive pursuits.  And I'm not the one prevaricating, I'm
>> >> >> trying to get PAST the evasion.   Why are you even here with your
>> >> >> attitude?
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 'I know you are -- but what am I??'
>> >> >
>> >> > I expect such juvenile games from people who start off poisoning the
>> >> well,
>> >> > like you did.
>> >> >
>> >> > So be it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> >> >> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in
>> >> Politix
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> > the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike
>> >> >> > kicking
>> >> >> > someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and
>> >> >> > it's
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> > fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > see,
>> >> >> > based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually
>> seeing
>> >> >> > what
>> >> >> > many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up
>> >> >> > failing
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > 'dark
>> >> >> > forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I
>> *KNOW*
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail
>> >> >> > ALL
>> >> >> cold
>> >> >> > fusion research.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you
>> >> >> > three
>> >> >> > guesses. That's all you'd need.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
>> >> >> >> regarding-ecco-device/
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as
>> >> >> >> > some
>> >> sort
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual
>> >> >> >> > abuse
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> Occam's
>> >> >> >> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources
>> >> people
>> >> >> >> > put
>> >> >> >> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be
>> >> >> >> > compelled
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until
>> >> >> >> > 'something
>> >> >> >> > comes
>> >> >> >> > up'
>> >> >> >> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> I didn't accuse Suhas of scamming, although that's a distinct
> possibility.   It looks to me like the lawyers and bankers that have a
> hold over Suhas might be running a scam and I was urging MFMP to use
> caution.   At the very least, buying real estate is  pretty far afield
> from what MFMP's mission statement projects.
>
> And in the link provided, I'm not the only one saying such things.
> So pipe down, bub.   Argue the facts, not personality "types" and pure
> bullshit.
>

What you said sounded nothing of the sort; so don't B.S. us, OK? And as for
the 'logic' of this thing: while banks are forever run by greedy assholes
and can be expected to ALWAYS make pin-headed 'business' decisions, the
*timing* of this particular blindside seems AFAIC wholly suspicious... and
IMO speaks of outside interference. But how that then morphs into a
'scamming' of a perennially underfunded volunteer undertaking like the MFMP
stretches the very concept.

So again: I think you're trying to 'pull a fast one' here, to cover for
your initial bad attitude.
Like the ruling-class oligarchy and its minions: NEVER admit you're wrong.
Right?

In any case: I hope this guy and his team make it to Europa -- and to a new
lab. And DON'T start 'pulling a Rossi' on the World.





>
> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What?   You're the one who started with the personal bullshit.
> >> Buying real estate to help out an experimenter's debt situation is
> >> pretty far afield from what MFMP's stated mission is declared.
> >>
> >
> >
> > You *accused* them of scamming. YOU started this, bub.
> > But I have lots of experience with your type, understand... so don't
> think
> > you're going to be able to misdirect anything here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Occham's Razor applies in scientific politics as well as it applies
> to
> >> >> other inductive pursuits.  And I'm not the one prevaricating, I'm
> >> >> trying to get PAST the evasion.   Why are you even here with your
> >> >> attitude?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 'I know you are -- but what am I??'
> >> >
> >> > I expect such juvenile games from people who start off poisoning the
> >> well,
> >> > like you did.
> >> >
> >> > So be it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> >> >> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
> >> >> >> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in
> >> Politix
> >> >> all
> >> >> > the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike
> >> >> > kicking
> >> >> > someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and
> >> >> > it's
> >> >> not
> >> >> > fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I can
> >> >> > see,
> >> >> > based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually
> seeing
> >> >> > what
> >> >> > many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up
> >> >> > failing
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere of
> >> >> > 'dark
> >> >> > forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I
> *KNOW*
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail
> >> >> > ALL
> >> >> cold
> >> >> > fusion research.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you three
> >> >> > guesses. That's all you'd need.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
> >> >> >> regarding-ecco-device/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some
> >> sort
> >> >> of
> >> >> >> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> Occam's
> >> >> >> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources
> >> people
> >> >> >> > put
> >> >> >> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be
> >> >> >> > compelled
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something
> >> >> >> > comes
> >> >> >> > up'
> >> >> >> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Kevin O'Malley]

Maybe whoever is trying to develop the device alongside Rossi next
time shouldn't fund his competitors.Don't piss him off.   That
kind of thing.   Let Fred Flinstone keep his job.

On 7/20/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> This trillion $$ invention only works if Rossi is there at the controls to
> adjust it minute by minute. It is a device that only Rossi can use.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with this picture?
>>
>> Great inventor presents crappy-looking experiment along with brain-dead
>> theory... while at the same time,  he has just completed successful test
>> of
>> the most valuable energy device of all time - producing an average
>> megawatt
>> of power over a year at a gain of at least 6:1.
>>
>> Yet this trillion $$ invention sits in a warehouse somewhere, gathering
>> dust.
>>
>> ...uh... What am I missing?
>>
>>
>>  Nick wrote:
>>
>> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000
>> reported
>> with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World
>> 
>>
>>
>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>