Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[Robin]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 7 Aug 2020 17:26:41 
+:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>Note how carefully the item avoids any mention of how the energy occurs for 
>fear of immediate necessity for classification.

What do you mean by "occurs"? They talk about using renewable energy as the 
source, and transmission in the radio
spectrum (2.5 GHz? - a guess on my part).

>
>Bob Cook

RE: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By LatticeConfinement Fusion

[JonesBeene]

Thanks Jack,

There are many older half-baked ideas floating around cyberspace that should 
have received more attention.

In particular, there is a strong… maybe very-strong missed opportunity in (not) 
using sodium vapor lamps as the basis of a CW laser.

Maybe in the next life…

Jones

From: Jack Cole

By "our" last experiments I mean you and I.  The idea was mostly yours if I 
recall correctly.  I don't have the site up anymore, but you can see it here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20180613041630/http://lenr-coldfusion.com/

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 7:45 PM Jones Beene  wrote:
Jack Cole wrote: 

It is also hard to not see some parallels with our last experiments (2016) with 
TiH2, nickel sheets, and light. 


Jack

Do you have an online citation for this work?

Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[Robin]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:30:50 
+:
Hi Bob,
[snip]
>On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special with 
>new materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  However such a 
>device to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a solar neutrino 
>collector like sunlight.
As I have pointed out before on vortex, neutrino harvesting is impractical. The 
power density available is at most 80
W/m^2, while normal sunlight is about 1000 W/m^2 (at best, at the surface). To 
compound the problem, it is difficult
(being generous) to extract neutrino energy, while there are plenty of 
relatively cheap methods available for capturing
energy from sunlight.

Re: [Vo]:Algae isotopic change

[Jones Beene]

 lithium isotope ratios are altered by some organisms -




Alexander Hollins  wrote:  
 
 Hey all, i recall previous discussions about isotopic changes in , i wanna say 
nickel, found in mats of certain types of algae, but search is failing me. does 
anyone recall this and or have links?  

[Vo]:Algae isotopic change

[Alexander Hollins]

Hey all, i recall previous discussions about isotopic changes in , i wanna
say nickel, found in mats of certain types of algae, but search is failing
me. does anyone recall this and or have links?

Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos involved?

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

BoB.


Randall Mills postulated an oscillating universe already 30 years ago 
based on space time expansion due to photon emission. This allowed him 
to predict that the universe in fact does expand! He also gave the very 
exact reason why this happens!! So I do not think that any of these 
astronomers are famous except for their ignorance of exact physics!


Of course this prediction (current expansion) can only be made if you 
forget the faulty Einstein general relativity and switch to a more 
general space metric.


As we know the universe is not dominated by gravity. A black hole is a 
magnetically bound mass as already Einstein 1933 did prove that based on 
gravity you cannot get a black hole.



But as said : Most today's physicists are trained ignorants!

J.W.


On 07.08.2020 19:23, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:


A recent which addresses angular momentum is the universe abd and 
extra dimensions is as follows:


*Read the article* 



Bob Cook

*From: *bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
*Sent: *Friday, August 7, 2020 8:33 AM
*To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com 
*Subject: *RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos 
involved?


I have often wondered about neutrino physics.  Neutrinos carry a 
quanta of angular momentum and some energy whether in motion or 
apparently still with respect to an observer—a neutrino detector for 
example..  However the physics of the interaction is not defined very 
well.   Empirical models do exist to allow prediction of  Interactions 
with matter.


The  characteristic of neutrinos not to not display any EM quality is 
somewhat mysterious.  (They are thought to be primary particles that 
stand alone in nature., present a small rest mass and thus be 
attracted in a gravitational field.


At times I consider neutrinos to be like a dimension of space or 
merely a circulating space  volume quanta with a fixed circulating 
(time quanta).  And at a Planck  length  scale.


My comments suggest the need for some work on a physical model that 
that is validated by experimental observations!


Bob Cook

*From: *bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
*Sent: *Friday, August 7, 2020 7:30 AM
*To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com 
*Subject: *RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

Robin==

As you note a protective curtain makes directed energy beams 
impractical—birds would suffer  as would moat any electronic equipment 
and/or  energy absorbing medium that got into the beam.


On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special 
with new materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  
However such a device to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a 
solar neutrino collector like sunlight.


Bob Cook

Sent from Mail  for 
Windows 10


*From: *Robin 
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:42 PM
*To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com 
*Subject: *Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to Michael Foster's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:13:13 + 
(UTC):

Hi,
[snip]
>I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying 
that Mr. Tesla is nowhere mentioned?


There's a good reason for that. The two technologies have nothing in 
common. Tesla used the Earth as a capacitor so that
everyone was "in" the capacitor, and attached to one of the plates. 
This company is using conventional wireless, but in

a tight beam.
>
>This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and 
people who like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to 
electric cars. The problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper 
wire to carry all the current required to charge all the batteries in 
all the electric cars.  Last time I did some rough figuring, it seemed 
as if the maximum number of electric cars would be about 10% of all 
vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  Look at what happens 
when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air conditioners don't 
draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% electric car 
fleet.


I doubt mobile applications of this technology would be possible, if 
there were that many targets that had to be
followed with a tight beam. Besides, the beam is dangerous. Worse than 
sitting in a microwave oven. That's why they talk

about remote areas, and a laser curtain to detect intrusion into the beam.
It wouldn't be suitable for use within an urban environment. It could 
however be used to transport power from a remote
power plant to the top of a tall construction on the outskirts of a 
city, although it would be difficult to keep light

aircraft from crossing the beam I should imagine.
[snip]


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

Re: [Vo]:Spacecraft of the Future Could Be Powered By Lattice Confinement Fusion

[Jack Cole]

By "our" last experiments I mean you and I.  The idea was mostly yours if I
recall correctly.  I don't have the site up anymore, but you can see it
here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20180613041630/http://lenr-coldfusion.com/

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 7:45 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> Jack Cole wrote:
>
> It is also hard to not see some parallels with our last experiments (2016)
> with TiH2, nickel sheets, and light.
>
>
> Jack
>
> Do you have an online citation for this work?
>

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Directed EM energy beams have been around since the 60’s at least.   To my 
knowledge gamma, x-ray and normal light all have been used in high energy 
medium and low energy transmission.

The technology associated with the medium and high energy spectrum has been 
weaponized and is classified in most places.  I am surprised about NZ.

Note how carefully the item avoids any mention of how the energy occurs for 
fear of immediate necessity for classification.

Bob Cook

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:24 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

I read it but it seemed flakey.

This could be closer to scam than to reality. No one really knows the loss-rate 
of wireless for high power uses or the dangers involved.

There is not much reason to suspect that there is a breakthrough here nor that 
this makes either scientific or economic sense, other than the mention of 
Tesla, but since they apparently are not using Tesla as a reference - where is 
their data?


On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 11:13:24 AM PDT, Michael Foster  
wrote:


I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the current 
required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last time I did 
some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric cars would 
be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  Look at 
what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air conditioners 
don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% electric car 
fleet.

Wireless power transmission, if really workable, would solve this problem. 
Autos themselves could be set up to receive the power transmission, thereby 
eliminating the requirement for such large batteries.







On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 02:50:34 AM UTC, MJ 
mailto:feli...@gmail.com>> wrote:






https://emrod.energy/press-release-nz-start-up-launches-world-first-long-range-wireless-power-transmission/

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos involved?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

A recent which addresses angular momentum is the universe abd  and extra 
dimensions is as follows:

Read the 
article

Bob Cook
From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 8:33 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos involved?

I have often wondered about neutrino physics.  Neutrinos carry a quanta of 
angular momentum and some energy whether in motion or apparently still with 
respect to an observer—a neutrino detector for example..  However the physics 
of the interaction is not defined very well.   Empirical models do exist to 
allow prediction of  Interactions with matter.

The  characteristic of neutrinos not to not display any EM quality is somewhat 
mysterious.  (They are thought to be primary particles that stand alone in 
nature., present a small rest mass and thus be attracted in a gravitational 
field.

At times I consider neutrinos to be like a dimension of space or merely a 
circulating space  volume quanta with a fixed circulating (time quanta).  And 
at a Planck  length  scale.

My comments suggest the need for some work on a physical model that that is 
validated by experimental observations!

Bob Cook


From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 7:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

Robin==

As you note a protective curtain makes directed energy beams impractical—birds 
would suffer  as would moat any electronic equipment and/or  energy absorbing 
medium that got into the beam.

On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special with new 
materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  However such a device 
to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a solar neutrino collector like 
sunlight.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robin
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:13:13 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]
>I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
>Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

There's a good reason for that. The two technologies have nothing in common. 
Tesla used the Earth as a capacitor so that
everyone was "in" the capacitor, and attached to one of the plates. This 
company is using conventional wireless, but in
a tight beam.
>
>This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
>like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
>problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the 
>current required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last 
>time I did some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric 
>cars would be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  
>Look at what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air 
>conditioners don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% 
>electric car fleet.

I doubt mobile applications of this technology would be possible, if there were 
that many targets that had to be
followed with a tight beam. Besides, the beam is dangerous. Worse than sitting 
in a microwave oven. That's why they talk
about remote areas, and a laser curtain to detect intrusion into the beam.
It wouldn't be suitable for use within an urban environment. It could however 
be used to transport power from a remote
power plant to the top of a tall construction on the outskirts of a city, 
although it would be difficult to keep light
aircraft from crossing the beam I should imagine.
[snip]

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission--are neutrinos involved?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

I have often wondered about neutrino physics.  Neutrinos carry a quanta of 
angular momentum and some energy whether in motion or apparently still with 
respect to an observer—a neutrino detector for example..  However the physics 
of the interaction is not defined very well.   Empirical models do exist to 
allow prediction of  Interactions with matter.

The  characteristic of neutrinos not to not display any EM quality is somewhat 
mysterious.  (They are thought to be primary particles that stand alone in 
nature., present a small rest mass and thus be attracted in a gravitational 
field.

At times I consider neutrinos to be like a dimension of space or merely a 
circulating space  volume quanta with a fixed circulating (time quanta).  And 
at a Planck  length  scale.

My comments suggest the need for some work on a physical model that that is 
validated by experimental observations!

Bob Cook

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 7:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

Robin==

As you note a protective curtain makes directed energy beams impractical—birds 
would suffer  as would moat any electronic equipment and/or  energy absorbing 
medium that got into the beam.

On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special with new 
materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  However such a device 
to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a solar neutrino collector like 
sunlight.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robin
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:13:13 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]
>I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
>Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

There's a good reason for that. The two technologies have nothing in common. 
Tesla used the Earth as a capacitor so that
everyone was "in" the capacitor, and attached to one of the plates. This 
company is using conventional wireless, but in
a tight beam.
>
>This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
>like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
>problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the 
>current required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last 
>time I did some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric 
>cars would be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  
>Look at what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air 
>conditioners don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% 
>electric car fleet.

I doubt mobile applications of this technology would be possible, if there were 
that many targets that had to be
followed with a tight beam. Besides, the beam is dangerous. Worse than sitting 
in a microwave oven. That's why they talk
about remote areas, and a laser curtain to detect intrusion into the beam.
It wouldn't be suitable for use within an urban environment. It could however 
be used to transport power from a remote
power plant to the top of a tall construction on the outskirts of a city, 
although it would be difficult to keep light
aircraft from crossing the beam I should imagine.
[snip]

RE: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin==

As you note a protective curtain makes directed energy beams impractical—birds 
would suffer  as would moat any electronic equipment and/or  energy absorbing 
medium that got into the beam.

On second thought maybe a neutrino beam has been invented with special with new 
materials or fields to harvest neutrino kinetic energy.  However such a device 
to collect neutrino energy would be useful as a solar neutrino collector like 
sunlight.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robin
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[EE] Wireless power transmission

In reply to  Michael Foster's message of Wed, 5 Aug 2020 18:13:13 + (UTC):
Hi,
[snip]
>I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr. 
>Tesla is nowhere mentioned?

There's a good reason for that. The two technologies have nothing in common. 
Tesla used the Earth as a capacitor so that
everyone was "in" the capacitor, and attached to one of the plates. This 
company is using conventional wireless, but in
a tight beam.
>
>This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who 
>like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The 
>problem is there doesn't seem to be enough copper wire to carry all the 
>current required to charge all the batteries in all the electric cars.  Last 
>time I did some rough figuring, it seemed as if the maximum number of electric 
>cars would be about 10% of all vehicles before the power grid was over taxed.  
>Look at what happens when there are brown-outs on hot days. Those air 
>conditioners don't draw anywhere near the current required to charge a 100% 
>electric car fleet.

I doubt mobile applications of this technology would be possible, if there were 
that many targets that had to be
followed with a tight beam. Besides, the beam is dangerous. Worse than sitting 
in a microwave oven. That's why they talk
about remote areas, and a laser curtain to detect intrusion into the beam.
It wouldn't be suitable for use within an urban environment. It could however 
be used to transport power from a remote
power plant to the top of a tall construction on the outskirts of a city, 
although it would be difficult to keep light
aircraft from crossing the beam I should imagine.
[snip]