Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

2020-12-09 Thread Jonathan Berry 
It is worth nothing that nothing in Special Relativity, not length
contraction, not time dilation, no combo of these can possibly explain the
speed of light being the same in both directions regardless of velocity!

Because while these things can affect the speed of light to keep it
towards C perhaps, in the other direction the difference just grows.

So what it really means about the two way speed on light being presumed to
be C means is that the one way speed of light and light always being in one
direction is impossible.

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 11:57, H LV  wrote:

> Ok. But I suppose it is possible that a definite one way speed, which is
> not observable, could have other observable consequences even if Einstein's
> theory doesn't have any.
>
> Harry
>
>
> On Wed., Dec. 9, 2020, 4:45 p.m. ROGER ANDERTON, <
> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on what Einstein wrote in 1905, it is now interpreted as menaing-
>> cannot measure oneway lightspeed; what he would think today if alive- who
>> knows.
>>
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "H LV" 
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, 9 Dec, 20 At 20:53
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>
>> Ok I watched it.
>> Are you arguing that if Einstein were alive today he would say that it is
>> possible to measure the one way speed of light.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:35 PM ROGER ANDERTON <
>> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> now published video on Youtube: "cannot measure one way lightspeed"
>>>
>>>
>>> deals with mistranslation of Einstein's paper, relativists moving
>>> goalposts etc
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9P644TXzY=youtu.be
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "ROGER ANDERTON" 
>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 22:15
>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
>>> There are lots of translations; I'm going by three; anyway->
>>>
>>>
>>> >>I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you
>>> refuse to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to
>>> acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps
>>> because they fear others will think less of them.<<
>>>
>>>
>>> People disagree about math
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "H LV" 
>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 19:14
>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:31 PM ROGER ANDERTON <
>>> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
 Harry


 Einstein made lots of mistakes (i.e. math mistakes) as pointed out in
 Discover science magazine:
 https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/einsteins-23-biggest-mistakes
 so not relevant if good at math at school, he was bad later.


 I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you refuse
>>> to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to
>>> acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps
>>> because they fear others will think less of them.
>>>
>>>
>>> I know about that two-way lightspeed video - it goes by a mistranslation
 of Einstein's paper, and I'm doing a video about that.

>>> How many translations of the paper exist?
>>>
 As for twin paradox - it's about transition in what Einstein was saying
 in 1905, because he later adopted Minkowski's ideas (of 1908) which was
 bringing back the preferred/aether frame which he was supposedly discarding
 1905. Einstein 1905 ideally has symmetric time dilation but after taking on
 Minkowski spacetime has switched to asymmetric time dilation. Einstein
 wasn't writing clearly enough about the updating to his theory that he was
 doing-> adding Minkowski spacetime to SR was an update, making that
 spacetime curved to give GR was another update.

 Roger

>>>




 -- Original Message --
 From: "H LV" 
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 15:47
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory



 On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:27 AM ROGER ANDERTON <
 r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Momentum and everything else messed up.
>
>
> A lot of people have pointed out Einstein was bad at maths; so his
> maths messed up
>
>
> At university he was actually good at mathematics, but it appears he
 did not like doing lab work. See
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwZsjlJ-G4

 What is not pointed out was that he was bad at communicating; his
> English and German is just messed up.
>
>
> lightspeed constancy is just a misnomer
>
>
> in his 1905 paper he has lightsped as variable
>
>
> quote->
> Says: But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of *k*, when
> measured in the

Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

2020-12-09 Thread H LV 
Ok. But I suppose it is possible that a definite one way speed, which is
not observable, could have other observable consequences even if Einstein's
theory doesn't have any.

Harry


On Wed., Dec. 9, 2020, 4:45 p.m. ROGER ANDERTON, <
r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Based on what Einstein wrote in 1905, it is now interpreted as menaing-
> cannot measure oneway lightspeed; what he would think today if alive- who
> knows.
>
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "H LV" 
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 Dec, 20 At 20:53
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>
> Ok I watched it.
> Are you arguing that if Einstein were alive today he would say that it is
> possible to measure the one way speed of light.
>
> Harry
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:35 PM ROGER ANDERTON <
> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> now published video on Youtube: "cannot measure one way lightspeed"
>>
>>
>> deals with mistranslation of Einstein's paper, relativists moving
>> goalposts etc
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9P644TXzY=youtu.be
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "ROGER ANDERTON" 
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 22:15
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>> There are lots of translations; I'm going by three; anyway->
>>
>>
>> >>I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you refuse
>> to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to
>> acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps
>> because they fear others will think less of them.<<
>>
>>
>> People disagree about math
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "H LV" 
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 19:14
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:31 PM ROGER ANDERTON <
>> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
>>> Einstein made lots of mistakes (i.e. math mistakes) as pointed out in
>>> Discover science magazine:
>>> https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/einsteins-23-biggest-mistakes
>>> so not relevant if good at math at school, he was bad later.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you refuse
>> to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to
>> acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps
>> because they fear others will think less of them.
>>
>>
>> I know about that two-way lightspeed video - it goes by a mistranslation
>>> of Einstein's paper, and I'm doing a video about that.
>>>
>> How many translations of the paper exist?
>>
>>> As for twin paradox - it's about transition in what Einstein was saying
>>> in 1905, because he later adopted Minkowski's ideas (of 1908) which was
>>> bringing back the preferred/aether frame which he was supposedly discarding
>>> 1905. Einstein 1905 ideally has symmetric time dilation but after taking on
>>> Minkowski spacetime has switched to asymmetric time dilation. Einstein
>>> wasn't writing clearly enough about the updating to his theory that he was
>>> doing-> adding Minkowski spacetime to SR was an update, making that
>>> spacetime curved to give GR was another update.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "H LV" 
>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 15:47
>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:27 AM ROGER ANDERTON <
>>> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
 Momentum and everything else messed up.


 A lot of people have pointed out Einstein was bad at maths; so his
 maths messed up


 At university he was actually good at mathematics, but it appears he
>>> did not like doing lab work. See
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwZsjlJ-G4
>>>
>>> What is not pointed out was that he was bad at communicating; his
 English and German is just messed up.


 lightspeed constancy is just a misnomer


 in his 1905 paper he has lightsped as variable


 quote->
 Says: But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of *k*, when
 measured in the stationary system, with the velocity *c*-*v*, so that
 x'/(c-v) = t


 This is before section 5 where does relativistic velocity addition, so
 is not treating c added to -v as relativistic velocity addition, thus has
 velocity c-v0 i.e. light travels with velocity c-v which is not
 equal to c.


>>> Yes but because the measuring apparatus is subject to time dilation and
>>> length contraction the two-way velocity of light will always be c. This
>>> video explains why the two way velocity of light is important for
>>> understanding Einstein`s theory.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn6Ewhb27k
>>>
>>> What bothers me is the twin paradox. I have yet to find what I
>>> personally regard

Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

2020-12-09 Thread ROGER ANDERTON 


Based on what Einstein wrote in 1905, it is now interpreted as menaing- 
cannot measure oneway lightspeed; what he would think today if alive- 
who knows.



Roger


-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 Dec, 20 At 20:53
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory


Ok I watched it.
Are you arguing that if Einstein were alive today he would say that it 
is possible to measure the one way speed of light.



Harry



On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:35 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > 
wrote:



now published video on Youtube: "cannot measure one way lightspeed"


deals with mistranslation of Einstein's paper, relativists moving 
goalposts etc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9P644TXzY=youtu.be 




-- Original Message --
From: "ROGER ANDERTON"  >

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 22:15
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

Harry


There are lots of translations; I'm going by three; anyway->


I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you 
refuse  to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant 
to  acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or 
perhaps  because they fear others will think less of them.<<


People disagree about math




-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> >
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 19:14
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory





On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:31 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > 
wrote:



Harry


Einstein made lots of mistakes (i.e. math mistakes) as pointed out in 
Discover science magazine: 
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/einsteins-23-biggest-mistakes 
 
so not relevant if good at math at school, he was bad later.




I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you refuse 
to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to 
acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps 
because they fear others will think less of them.







I know about that two-way lightspeed video - it goes by a mistranslation 
of Einstein's paper, and I'm doing a video about that.


How many translations of the paper exist?


As for twin paradox - it's about transition in what Einstein was saying 
in 1905, because he later adopted Minkowski's ideas (of 1908) which was 
bringing back the preferred/aether frame which he was supposedly 
discarding 1905. Einstein 1905 ideally has symmetric time dilation but 
after taking on Minkowski spacetime has switched to asymmetric time 
dilation. Einstein wasn't writing clearly enough about the updating to 
his theory that he was doing-> adding Minkowski spacetime to SR was an 
update, making that spacetime curved to give GR was another update.

Roger







-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> >
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 15:47
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory





On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:27 AM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > 
wrote:



Momentum and everything else messed up.


A lot of people have pointed out Einstein was bad at maths; so his maths 
messed up




At university he was actually good at mathematics, but it appears he did 
not like doing lab work. See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwZsjlJ-G4 





What is not pointed out was that he was bad at communicating; his 
English and German is just messed up.


lightspeed constancy is just a misnomer

in his 1905 paper he has lightsped as variable

quote->
 Says: But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when 
measured in the stationary system, with the velocity c-v, so that

 x'/(c-v) = t

 This is before section 5 where does relativistic velocity addition, so 
is not treating c added to -v as relativistic velocity addition, thus 
has velocity c-v0 i.e. light travels with velocity c-v  which 
is not equal to c.





Yes but because  the measuring apparatus is subject to time dilation and 
length contraction the two-way velocity of light will always be c. This 
video  explains why the two way velocity of light is important for 
understanding Einstein`s theory.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn6Ewhb27k 




What bothers me is the twin paradox. I have yet to find what I 
personally regard as a satisfactory resolution of this paradox. Here is 
a physicist from Fermilab explaining how the paradox arises. He just 
makes it go away at the end by declaring the earth twin to have existed 
in only one frame and the space travelling twin to have

Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

2020-12-09 Thread H LV 
Ok I watched it.
Are you arguing that if Einstein were alive today he would say that it is
possible to measure the one way speed of light.

Harry

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 12:35 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
wrote:

> now published video on Youtube: "cannot measure one way lightspeed"
>
>
> deals with mistranslation of Einstein's paper, relativists moving
> goalposts etc
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9P644TXzY=youtu.be
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "ROGER ANDERTON" 
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 22:15
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>
> Harry
>
>
> There are lots of translations; I'm going by three; anyway->
>
>
> >>I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you refuse
> to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to
> acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps
> because they fear others will think less of them.<<
>
>
> People disagree about math
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "H LV" 
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 19:14
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:31 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
> wrote:
>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>> Einstein made lots of mistakes (i.e. math mistakes) as pointed out in
>> Discover science magazine:
>> https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/einsteins-23-biggest-mistakes
>> so not relevant if good at math at school, he was bad later.
>>
>>
>> I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you refuse
> to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to
> acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps
> because they fear others will think less of them.
>
>
> I know about that two-way lightspeed video - it goes by a mistranslation
>> of Einstein's paper, and I'm doing a video about that.
>>
> How many translations of the paper exist?
>
>> As for twin paradox - it's about transition in what Einstein was saying
>> in 1905, because he later adopted Minkowski's ideas (of 1908) which was
>> bringing back the preferred/aether frame which he was supposedly discarding
>> 1905. Einstein 1905 ideally has symmetric time dilation but after taking on
>> Minkowski spacetime has switched to asymmetric time dilation. Einstein
>> wasn't writing clearly enough about the updating to his theory that he was
>> doing-> adding Minkowski spacetime to SR was an update, making that
>> spacetime curved to give GR was another update.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "H LV" 
>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 15:47
>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:27 AM ROGER ANDERTON <
>> r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Momentum and everything else messed up.
>>>
>>>
>>> A lot of people have pointed out Einstein was bad at maths; so his maths
>>> messed up
>>>
>>>
>>> At university he was actually good at mathematics, but it appears he did
>> not like doing lab work. See
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwZsjlJ-G4
>>
>> What is not pointed out was that he was bad at communicating; his English
>>> and German is just messed up.
>>>
>>>
>>> lightspeed constancy is just a misnomer
>>>
>>>
>>> in his 1905 paper he has lightsped as variable
>>>
>>>
>>> quote->
>>> Says: But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of *k*, when
>>> measured in the stationary system, with the velocity *c*-*v*, so that
>>> x'/(c-v) = t
>>>
>>>
>>> This is before section 5 where does relativistic velocity addition, so
>>> is not treating c added to -v as relativistic velocity addition, thus has
>>> velocity c-v0 i.e. light travels with velocity c-v which is not
>>> equal to c.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes but because the measuring apparatus is subject to time dilation and
>> length contraction the two-way velocity of light will always be c. This
>> video explains why the two way velocity of light is important for
>> understanding Einstein`s theory.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn6Ewhb27k
>>
>> What bothers me is the twin paradox. I have yet to find what I personally
>> regard as a satisfactory resolution of this paradox. Here is a physicist
>> from Fermilab explaining how the paradox arises. He just makes it go away
>> at the end by declaring the earth twin to have existed in only one frame
>> and the space travelling twin to have existed in two frames. However there
>> is nothing within special relativity that says this is how it is. Instead
>> we have a professional telling us how it is.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgvajuvSpF4
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "H LV" 
>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> Sent: Monday, 7 Dec, 20 At 20:59
>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory
>>>
>>> One could say the speed of emission from a source is always c with
>>> respect to the aether regardless of the motion of the source through the
>>>

[Vo]:And you thought this was already a crazy year...

2020-12-09 Thread JonesBeene 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6iE62jovMo

Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

2020-12-09 Thread ROGER ANDERTON 


now published video on Youtube: "cannot measure one way lightspeed"


deals with mistranslation of Einstein's paper, relativists moving 
goalposts etc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9P644TXzY=youtu.be


-- Original Message --
From: "ROGER ANDERTON" 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 22:15
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

Harry


There are lots of translations; I'm going by three; anyway->


I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you 
refuse  to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant 
to  acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or 
perhaps  because they fear others will think less of them.<<


People disagree about math




-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 19:14
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory





On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:31 PM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > 
wrote:



Harry


Einstein made lots of mistakes (i.e. math mistakes) as pointed out in 
Discover science magazine: 
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/einsteins-23-biggest-mistakes 
 
so not relevant if good at math at school, he was bad later.




I don't think making math mistakes is bad. It is only bad if you refuse 
to acknowledge a math mistake. People are sometimes reluctant to 
acknowledge making a mistake because they fear punishment or perhaps 
because they fear others will think less of them.







I know about that two-way lightspeed video - it goes by a mistranslation 
of Einstein's paper, and I'm doing a video about that.


How many translations of the paper exist?


As for twin paradox - it's about transition in what Einstein was saying 
in 1905, because he later adopted Minkowski's ideas (of 1908) which was 
bringing back the preferred/aether frame which he was supposedly 
discarding 1905. Einstein 1905 ideally has symmetric time dilation but 
after taking on Minkowski spacetime has switched to asymmetric time 
dilation. Einstein wasn't writing clearly enough about the updating to 
his theory that he was doing-> adding Minkowski spacetime to SR was an 
update, making that spacetime curved to give GR was another update.

Roger







-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> >
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 8 Dec, 20 At 15:47
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory





On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 8:27 AM ROGER ANDERTON 
mailto:r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> > 
wrote:



Momentum and everything else messed up.


A lot of people have pointed out Einstein was bad at maths; so his maths 
messed up




At university he was actually good at mathematics, but it appears he did 
not like doing lab work. See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zwZsjlJ-G4 





What is not pointed out was that he was bad at communicating; his 
English and German is just messed up.


lightspeed constancy is just a misnomer

in his 1905 paper he has lightsped as variable

quote->
 Says: But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when 
measured in the stationary system, with the velocity c-v, so that

 x'/(c-v) = t

 This is before section 5 where does relativistic velocity addition, so 
is not treating c added to -v as relativistic velocity addition, thus 
has velocity c-v0 i.e. light travels with velocity c-v  which 
is not equal to c.





Yes but because  the measuring apparatus is subject to time dilation and 
length contraction the two-way velocity of light will always be c. This 
video  explains why the two way velocity of light is important for 
understanding Einstein`s theory.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn6Ewhb27k 




What bothers me is the twin paradox. I have yet to find what I 
personally regard as a satisfactory resolution of this paradox. Here is 
a physicist from Fermilab explaining how the paradox arises. He just 
makes it go away at the end by declaring the earth twin to have existed 
in only one frame and the space travelling twin to have existed in two 
frames. However there is nothing within special relativity that says 
this is how it is. Instead we have a professional telling us how it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgvajuvSpF4 




Harry







-- Original Message --
From: "H LV" mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com> >
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, 7 Dec, 20 At 20:59
Subject: Re: [Vo]:animation of emission theory

One could say the speed of emission from a source is always c with 
respect to the aether regardless of the motion of the source through the 
aether. However that would have consequences in terms of conservation of 
momentum which would need to be examined.



Harry


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