RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Axil-

A rotating barrel of colored balls doe mot come close to a QM system which cane 
be described by equations that indicate a balance of kinetic (spin) energy and 
potential energy of magnetic dipoles that exist in quantized bits of angular 
momentum, a vector parameter.

We seem to have two concepts of a QM system at odds with each other.

Bob Cook

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:42 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3HlA_9968

Consider a quantum system of a mix of a barrel of balls of many colors. The 
barrel is spinning and the balls are being mixed. While the balls are all being 
mixed, the color of the solution or final state of the system is not known. To 
observe the state (color) that the system is in, the barrel must be stopped 
from rotating and the observer must extract a colored ball from the stationary 
barrel. The color of that ball is the resolution of the observation.

The condition of many colored balls is called superposition. A system can be 
many things all at the same time and that system changes among those many 
conditions at random from one instant to the next. A system may resolve into 
one of these many states when the system terminates (The barrel stops rotating) 
and the color of the selected ball is observed.

Quantum mechanics does not follow the scientific method, it is not 
reductionist. It is a system that follows probability because randomization 
among many possible states is involved

“God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His 
own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other 
players [i.e. everybody], to being involved in an obscure and complex variant 
of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a 
Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time.”





On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:30 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Axil Axil—

I consider the physics discussed in the items you have referenced do not have a 
logical basis, since there is no assumption of cause and effect.  This  
situation avoid the application of the scientific method IMHO.

SMOKE AND MIRROWS come to mind.  A better summary than
energy being coughed up by the vacuum would be the “hand of God”  takes charge 
of the collapse of QM systems when humans look too closely.


Bob Cook














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From: Axil Axil
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 2:11 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

Because the nuclear level processes that occur in the Reaction are confined to 
a quantum mechanical system that is coherent, that nuclear reaction is not 
possible to observe. This means that if particles are generated and energy is 
produced, those particles and that energy is not observable to the observer. 
This is known as the "Measurement problem".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kxmR82QMN8

After the coherence of the quantum system is destroyed, the quantum system 
becomes a classical system in which energy can be observed. But this energy is 
not nuclear energy but energy derived from the vacuum as rendered by "vacuum 
decay" where a small amount of residual energy and matter stored in the quantum 
system is released in a disruptive process of system disintegration and 
therefore such residual matter and energy becomes  observable.

There is a causal disconnection between the processes that happen in which the 
quantum system is coherent and the disrupted release of stored residual matter 
and energy that is released during the destruction of the erstwhile quantum 
system.

If particles were produced during the time when the quantum system was 
coherent, those particles would not have been observable. It is a fool's errand 
to try to make sence of the quantum processes that had occured when the quantum 
system was coherent. This observation and its understanding is not possible 
because the expectations of the classical world do not apply to the processes 
that were quantum coherent and rendered unobservable.



On Sun, Dec 5, 2021 at 8:39 PM 
bobcook39...@hotmail.com 
mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Nuclear magmatic resonance [phenomena are the basis for the desogn and 
operation of common MRI maschines of used by the medical business.

A metastable nuclear at a small energy above the stable state of a target 
isotope is produced by a radio frequency  photon  in resonance with the 
differential energy between the 2 states.

A  magnetic field is applied to the target isotope to  allow  a resonant to 
react with the isotope and raise its energy slightly.

The magnetic 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It seems correct that Jurg made the comment which I also agree is valid.

Bob Cooks

From: Robin
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 2:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:33:39 
+:
Hi Bob,
>Robin-
>
>You make a significant statement:
>
>” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Actually I didn't make that statement, I simply pointed to a website that I 
believe belongs to the author of the paper.
The original statement was made by Jürg.
Nevertheless, I strongly suspect that he is at least close to correct.

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Lennart Thornros]

Hi guys long time,
Your discussion of gravity is way over my paygrade. However, if gravity is
such a power , how can the two bodies of the esrth on one side and the O2
molecule keep together. In other words why do the gases in the atmosphere
stay there. I was told in school that nature hates emptiness. Why don't our
atmosphere go away to the vast emptyness?
It doesn't.  So my thinking is we have an electric field keeping the gases
in plsce. Well, that might be wrong. Hannes Alfven had a theory I  can see
being plausible. Just let me know the answer.
Lennart

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 18:16 Robin  wrote:

> In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2021
> 20:33:39 +:
> Hi Bob,
> >Robin-
> >
> >You make a significant statement:
> >
> >” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”
>
> Actually I didn't make that statement, I simply pointed to a website that
> I believe belongs to the author of the paper.
> The original statement was made by Jürg.
> Nevertheless, I strongly suspect that he is at least close to correct.
>
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk 
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[Robin]

In reply to  bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:33:39 
+:
Hi Bob,
>Robin-
>
>You make a significant statement:
>
>” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Actually I didn't make that statement, I simply pointed to a website that I 
believe belongs to the author of the paper.
The original statement was made by Jürg.
Nevertheless, I strongly suspect that he is at least close to correct.

[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk 

RE: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin-

You make a significant statement:

” The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer”

Gravity is the attractive force between  2 or more populations of randomly 
oriented  magnetic dipoles lie those found in nucleons.

This was pointed by Romanian phyusists in a 2019 paper housed in the Cornell 
University technical paper archive.



Bob Cook

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From: Robin
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 11:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Freire et al., Preliminary survey on cold fusion

In reply to  Jürg Wyttenbach's message of Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:34:22 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>The strong force myth has been fully debunked by B.Schaeffer
>
>https://www.google.ch/url?sa=t=j==s=web==rja=8=2ahUKEwjW9tb_iM_0AhUjhv0HHUXXAxsQFnoECBQQAQ=https%3A%2F%2Fdocplayer.net%2F83778110-Aes-2016-malaga-spain.html=AOvVaw196fS5Fh4R7wyXL9k0Gf9q
>--> "Electromagnetic Nuclear Physics"

See also http://thestrongforce.canalblog.com
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk