RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi

2015-04-07 Thread Charles Francis
In Italy the title ‘Dr’ does not imply a PhD or medical degree, but only a 
basic (undergraduate) degree. 

 

From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] 
Sent: 07 April 2015 22:20
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea 
Rossi

 

Jones Beene,
You are deliberately misleading about Rossi getting his degree on-line.  He 
got his PhD from Milan University.   He did take an on-line course in chemical 
engineering later, in order to learn about that.  Seems to be a reasonable 
thing to do.

You make much of the lack of theory for how the Li7 gathers a proton.  The 
authors admit they don't know.  BUT the idea of the Be splitting into two 
alphas and not emitting gamma radiation suggests to me that it is worth looking 
for a mechanism for the Li to gain the necessary proton.  I assume no one knows 
at present. 






RE: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season

2014-10-02 Thread Charles Francis
Seems the human-infectious form of Ebola was patented back in 2010 by a US 
government lab (CDC): http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en

 

Claims:

 

1. An isolated hEbola virus comprising a nucleic acid molecule...

 

2. An isolated hEbola virus having Centers for Disease Control Deposit 
Accession No.

200706291.

 

And likewise any vaccine that might be forthcoming:

 

3. The hEbola virus of any one of claims 1 or 2 which is killed.

 

4. The hEbola virus of claim 1 which is an attenuated hEbola virus.

 

5. The virus of claim 4 wherein at least one property of the attenuated hEbola 
virus is reduced from among infectivity, replication ability, protein synthesis 
ability, assembling ability or cytopathic effect.

 

 

From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014 01:08
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season

 

Sorry but since none of the usual policy experts want to touch this with a 
ten-foot poll, it is shaping up to have some features in common with other 
civilization-impacting failures of policy experts with which this list is 
all-too familiar:

Early symptoms of Ebola are flu-like and it is contagious during these 
flu-like symptoms. Now ... consider the fact that flu season is upon us. But 
you know what's _really_ frightening about this? Not one of the goddamn idiot 
authorities has even mentioned, let alone assessed, this confounding 
situation's impact on public health containment measures. 

 

Now THAT'S frightening!

Read the CDC's guidelines on monitoring and movement of persons with  
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitoring-and-movement-of-persons-with-exposure.html
 exposure and tell me their guidelines work for a country in the throes of 
massive incidence of flu-like symptoms.



RE: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria

2013-09-06 Thread Charles Francis
Vladimir Putin today seemed to attribute the horrendous recent events in
Eastern Ghouta to the Syrian rebels and, with that in mind, the following
Youtube video from last year, apparently showing Syrian Jihadists  testing
self-produced chemical weapons on rabbits, is relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-6O-gApVrU

 

Some of the ingredients appear routine, others I can't readily identify, and
most originate from Tekkim, a Turkish company. Perhaps a competent chemist
on this group can make an assessment as to what sort of substance might have
been used here?

 

Regards

Charles

 

From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Alain Sepeda
Sent: 06 September 2013 09:55
To: Vortex List
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria

 

At last the sad truth start to reach mainstream media.

 

It is a civil war, a reciprocal bath of blood and hate, sectarian,
desperate, where each side know he will be exterminated like cockroach if he
lose.

 

the only solution of foreign invasion by regional forces and separation of
the communities until they stop hating each others... looks like Yugoslavia
in worst.



RE: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria

2013-09-05 Thread Charles Francis
If Obama gets his way, I’m afraid there’ll be many more stories like this one:

 

http://tinyurl.com/max5tmw

 

 

Charles

 

From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 05 September 2013 06:38
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria

 

The piece by Polk was interesting.   



RE: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria

2013-09-04 Thread Charles Francis
Could this man be the reason?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/francois-hollande-photo-news-ag
encies

-Original Message-
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com] 
Sent: 03 September 2013 23:44
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria

The French public doesn't believe the Syria story either --





RE: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...

2013-08-28 Thread Charles Francis
What sense indeed? http://rt.com/news/syria-investigate-un-chemical-116/

-Original Message-
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com] 
Sent: 28 August 2013 20:27
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...

Also relevant - From Scientific American today:

'Is It Too Late to Determine Which Chemical Weapons Were Used in Syria?
Probably not, but it's better to act sooner than later'

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=too-late-chemical-weapons-s
yria

What sense does it make, then, to delay the UN inspectors?




RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni

2013-08-03 Thread Charles Francis
On the off-chance, you might try adding potassium carbonate to your mix,
given the info mentioned here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84258.html

 

Potassium carbonate (and sodium bicarb?) also seem to behave energetically
in the video shown here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84774.html

 

 

From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 03 August 2013 02:11
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni

 

Greetings fellow Vorts,

 

While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling
patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open
speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without
a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims
are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable
patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work
and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I
decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials.

 

At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many
people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while
traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer
reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. 

 

The paper is on my Google drive at:

 

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing



Please let me know if this doesn't work. 

 

I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on
the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular.

 

Regards, Bob Higgins



[Vo]:Renzo Mondaini - Kervran reactions

2013-07-25 Thread Charles Francis
Just watched this fascinating series of videos by Renzo Mondaini, kindly
dubbed to English from the Italian: 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEceEHgaXoU

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymFcb9U1Ck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymFcb9U1Ck

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47MslfkdYQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoPGLcmC8S4

 

It's interesting that he involved the university of Bolognia (Forcardi?) and
that like Mills and Defkalion (reportedly) he's using Potassium Carbonate -
see my post on this compound from two weeks ago: 

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84258.html

 

 

Charles



[Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

2013-07-23 Thread Charles Francis
Test is looking professional so far and promising. One concern for me though
is that after all that careful flow calibration, they switched the water
flow from bucket to sink - thereby changing the system under test. For
example, by restricting water flow using a hidden control valve, they might
cause the system to run much hotter even though the pump is doing the same
work and could therefore report a much greater flow than is actually the
case. Obviously, the wires need to be cut at the end of the test to check
for sub-wires (or coax) that could deceive the clamp on meters. There is a
labyrinth of redundant wires that should be disconnected if possible. Not
happy about the interruption of the video stream, hope the observers check
for tampering during this time. 

 

Charles



[Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Charles Francis
Shows COP of  5

 



RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Charles Francis
http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita


-Original Message-
From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo.

Craig

On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:

 Shows COP of  5

  





RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

2013-07-22 Thread Charles Francis
There's recordings below in various parts - sound not working at first.

 

From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 July 2013 14:26
To: John Milstone
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

 

It's offline...

 

2013/7/22 Charles Francis fran...@datacomm.ch

http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita



-Original Message-
From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo.

Craig

On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote:

 Shows COP of  5










 

-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ

danieldi...@gmail.com



[Vo]:Potassium Carbonate

2013-07-11 Thread Charles Francis
Likely this has been discussed on list before, but here goes:

 

Concerning his recent patent update, Andrea Rossi apparently removed claims
to the catalyst (re: the Cat in E-Cat) and it was suggested that this might
have to do with prior use of his secret ingredient (i.e., perhaps he
borrowed the recipe from elsewhere or inadvertently rediscovered it). 

 

I just noticed that anomalous heat production from Potassium Carbonate in
combination with atomic hydrogen and nickel is mentioned in this
unclassified 1994 military report:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GernertNnascenthyd.pdf

(the authors, incidentally, seem to be those today linked with BlackLight
Power)

 

Moreover, purportedly leaked notes from a 2012 Defkalion visit again mention
Potassium Carbonate:
http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Summary-of-Visit-to-Defkalion
.pdf

 

So is Potassium Carbonate used in the Rossi/Defkalion devices? And is
powdering nickel sufficiently innovative to be protected by a Rossi patent?
Would the Potassium Carbonate/Nickel/Hydrogen combination for energy
production be under patent somewhere else or is it in the public domain? 

 

Charles

 



Re: [Vo]:Potassium Carbonate

2013-07-11 Thread Charles Francis
The mentioned NASA replication (Tech Memorandum 107167) is available here: 

http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/19960016952_1996035672.p
df

 

Incidentally, an extract of a NASA presentation following their trip to see
Rossi's E-Cat can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djBIWTsnwjY

 

 

From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 11 July 2013 14:54
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Potassium Carbonate

 

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:34 AM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote:

Use of K carbonate with Ni for generation of excess heat:
 
You might want to check the work of Thermocore circa 1994 and the NASA
replication (Tech Memorandum 107167).   

 

The document he references from Jed's site is the Thermacore report. 

 



RE: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media

2013-07-08 Thread Charles Francis
Jed

 

In the comments you wrote: Also the effects are not weak. Heat has been
detected at 100 W with no input by Toyota and others, lasting up to 3 months
continuously, and tritium has been measured at 10E18 times background.

 

I've read at least one Toyota LENR paper, but can't recall the power
measurements you quote. I'd appreciate a link if available.

 

Charles 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 08 July 2013 23:39
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media

 

If you doubt that skeptics still dominate mass media discussions of cold
fusion, see the comment section following this article about global warming.
See the comment I posted, and the responses to it:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/07/08/global_warming_wall_stre
et_journal_article_cites_bad_evidence_draws_wrong.html

It might as well still be 1989.

It is ironic that most of these people commenting think they are in favor of
science because they oppose the global warming deniers.

The last comment is one that I have heard countless times. It is a
get-out-jail card that allows you to ignore any breakthrough:

I'll believe in cold fusion when I see 10KW of electric power out of a cold
fusion power generator. That's net power out, so you have to subtract out
all the power that holds the thing together and the energy required to make
the fuel.  . . .
 
Clalming that a technology that's not proven to work is going to 'solve'
anything is ludicrous.

Note that I did not say it is going to solve it, I said it might.

 

Anyway, I saw a similar argument the other day. Someone writing about robots
said they are no threat to employment because I can hire a Mexican for $10
an hour to do garden work and you can't point to any company that makes a
robot that could do that at any price. The issue is not what technology can
do today, but what it will probably be capable of doing in the future.
Robots are improving rapidly. They can drive cars in California traffic.
There is no longer any reason to think they will not be able to do
agriculture or gardening cheaper than $10 an hour soon. Cheaper than $1.
Eventually, $1 per day.

 

- Jed

 



[Vo]:OT: More Cheese Power?

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Francis
http://www.itn.co.uk/And%20Finally/78885/dynamo-levitates-on-the-side-of-a-d
ouble-decker-bus




[Vo]:Unidentified subject!

2013-06-22 Thread Charles Francis
C4FBE7.7050100
@aim.com
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Subject: RE: [Vo]: About the March test
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In that video, a cable is shown with a central core and outer sheath, and a
similar topology can be found in shielded cables for audio or radio
frequency purposes. The cheese power trick might deploy this type of cable
or alternatively insulated wires side by side in a common sheaf or even a
bundle of varnished wires.  

 

Charles

 

From: Rob Dingemans [mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com] 
Sent: 22 June 2013 03:21
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test

 

Hi,

On 21-6-2013 21:49, John Milstone wrote:

Again, it's clear from the full description that they were looking for
additional WIRES.  There is nothing about checking what was IN the wires.


Just to borrow a phrase from Jones: This is complete bull crap !

It seems you are completely clueless about how wires are manufactured.
The manufacturing process does NOT allow for hidden wires to be included.

For some enlighting information see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6m1Uii5v2I

Kind regards,

Rob




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[Vo]:Molecular Impact Steam Technology

2013-06-11 Thread Charles Francis
Another Florida free energy start-up: http://www.mistenergysystems.com

 

Any thoughts on their claims and the supposed Hydrogen Bond Energy?
http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/Hydrogen_Bond_Explosions.pdf

 

Just as a lit match releases the energy contained in gasoline, our hyper
speed impact releases the energy contained in Hydrogen Bonds.

 

 

Charles



RE: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

2013-06-09 Thread Charles Francis
So in 2012 each Dutch agricultural worker generated an average personal
export revenue of 112'276 Euros, in addition to the local produce for the
Dutch market. 

 

Charles

 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 09 June 2013 23:15
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports


The total value of Dutch agricultural exports was 75.4 billion euros in
2012.

 

 



[Vo]:Anomalous input energy

2013-06-01 Thread Charles Francis
A document HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th can be viewed
here:

 

http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf

 

Unlike the paper of Levi et al., it doesn't appear to have been prepared for
the research community, but is perhaps meant as an internal report for use
by commercial parties interested in evaluating E-Cat technology.  How and
why it entered the public domain is unknown to me. 

 

The remarks on Page 11 are of interest in view of considerations on Vortex-l
regarding possible anomalous electrical inputs:

 

E-Cat power supply was effected through a control box panel provided with a
kWh meter which did not allow separate evaluation of the voltage and current
supplied to the module. For this reason, a voltmeter and a clamp ammeter
were installed downstream from the control box, so as to monitor power data
independently from the panel meter. Due to the fact that panel meter data
were found to be quite discordant from those measured by the voltmeter and
the ammeter, it was decided to ignore the former and use only the voltmeter
and ammeter data recorded manually in the course of the test.

 

The nature of the discordance is apparently not described.

 

The authors add a further remark on page 15 On the other hand, power
consumption measurements were less than optimal, because of the reported
problem with the control panel; ...

 

 

Charles



RE: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-31 Thread Charles Francis
Why expect 2-phase customisation for a relatively low-priority scientific
experiment? 3-phase design make sense in the context of the concurrent
high-priority finalisation, testing and shipping of a purported 1 MW device,
which at a claimed COP of 6 would need an electrical input of 167 KW.

 

Incidentally, these shipping photos supplied by Rossi appear to show Levi
and the test setup (and the presence of an armed security guard):
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/e-cat-shipping-pictures-posted-on-the-jonp
/

 

Charles

 

From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 May 2013 19:38
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat
test

 

 The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me.

 

 

 



[Vo]:Unidentified subject!

2013-05-31 Thread Charles Francis
k0iwFQ32HjA@ma
il.gmail.com
In-Reply-To: 
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Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
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Assuming it's all bogus, how does one account for the various positive
reports of SPAWAR and Mitsubishi?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc

 

http://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by-deuterium-
permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.html

 

 

Charles

 

 

From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 31 May 2013 08:59
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question 

 

It is about time for you to give the bogosity of LENR a fair chance. All
your thinking starts from the assumption that it's real. You'll never make
progress that way.

 


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[Vo]:Unidentified subject!

2013-05-31 Thread Charles Francis
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(Sorry my previous post was somehow corrupted, so I resend:)

 

 

Assuming it's all bogus, how does one account for the various positive
reports of SPAWAR and Mitsubishi?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc

 

http://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by-deuterium-
permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.html

 

 

Charles

 

 

 

From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 31 May 2013 08:59
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

 

 

It is about time for you to give the bogosity of LENR a fair chance. All
your thinking starts from the assumption that it's real. You'll never make
progress that way.

 


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RE: [Vo]:On deception

2013-05-31 Thread Charles Francis
A weakness regarding the recent Ecat paper by Levi et al. is the apparent
absence of an EE. In a future test they would ideally include a power
engineer along with thermal image and data logging specialists.

Charles

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 31 May 2013 18:46
To: Yamali Yamali
Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:On deception

Well, I graduated from Georgia Tech in 1977 with an EE, am a registered
professional engineer and manage a group of mostly EE consulting engineers
and I agree with Jed.

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de
wrote:

 Jed wrote: I do not think it takes long for an electrical engineer to 
 conclude that there is no possibility of fraud in these tests.

 I bet you won't find any EE with any experience in the business who 
 would sign such a statement.




RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-29 Thread Charles Francis
Surely the control box is an integral part of the Rossi system under test?
Why then insist on internal sub-system measurements? Why not analyse the
Rossi system cleanly by just considering external inputs and outputs without
regard to internals? After all, an engineer doesn't break open an unknown
transistor or integrated circuit to determine its characteristics. 

 

Charles

 

From: Andrew [mailto:andrew...@att.net] 
Sent: 29 May 2013 01:59
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

 

NO, NO, NO.

 

The cable I'm referring to, which I've described three times now, os the
other one - the one between the control box and the device.

 

Good Grief.

- Original Message - 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint mailto:zeropo...@charter.net  

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:36 PM

Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

 

I think there is some confusion on the issue of cables, what cables, and
'bringing your own cables' and I want to make sure we are all on the same
page.  correct any misunderstandings in the following so we all understand
the details and importance of each.

 

First, the cable Andrew is referring to is the one from the AC wall plug to
the control box.  The REASON why Andrew and others are asking if Rossi would
allow the scientists to use their own AC power cable is because of the
diagram on this page which is immediately following the pie chart of
Natural Nickel Composition:

 
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-peo
ple-are-still-falling-for-it/

The diagram is by Peter Thieberger, a particle physicist.  It shows how some
'rewiring ' of a power cable can be done so that it will register NO current
on any meters monitoring the separate wires of the power cable.  I do not
know if this scenario is one that the test team thought about, but if
someone can present them with the diagram and find out if their measurements
can eliminate this possibility, that'd be great.  If they did not account
for this scenario, then we need to make sure they are aware of it so the
next test can eliminate this possibility of fraud.

 

Second, when someone (Rossi) said,  . they could bring their own cables.,
I got the impression that this was only referring to the cables which attach
the measurement instruments to the system (e.g., the cables from the Power
Analyzer to the AC power cable), NOT the AC power cable.  So let's not get
confused as to 'what cables' are being referred to.

 

-Mark Iverson

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

 

Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:

 

The cable is what connects the control box to the device.  It appears from
the report that they did not examine it for anomalies.

 

They did not examine it. That would reveal trade secrets, as noted in the
report.

 

 

  So, are the researchers free to replace it with one of their own, or not?

 

Of course not. They do not even have the specs for it.

 

What happens in the cable and controller is irrelevant to the energy
balance.

 

Despite the discussions here, there is no way what occurs in the controller
box or the cable can steal electricity without the meters detecting it.
That would violate the conservation of energy. When electric power is
consumed, either the amperage or the voltage must rise.

 

You might hide input power from some types of meter by changing the output
from the electric plug. However, there has been a great of nonsense about
that here, as well. You can't do that merely by raising voltage. When
voltage exceeds the meter's limits, the meter does not ignore that. It
displays a message such as  or OUT OF RANGE.

 

 

The March dummy calibration run, according to the report, involved placing
voltage probes across the device while the control box was switched on in
non-pulsed mode.

 

You are right. It says:

 

Resistor coil power consumption was measured by placing the instrument in
single-phase directly on the coil input cables, and was found to be, on
average, about 810 W. From this one derives that the power consumption of
the control box was approximately = 

110-120 W.

 

In this case they were using the coils as joule heaters in a conventional
step-by-step calibration.

 

 

So your statement that At no point did they measure output from the
controller contradicts that. Please clarify.

 

I got that wrong.

 

- Jed

 



[Vo]:The First Image Ever of a Hydrogen Atom's Orbital Structure

2013-05-29 Thread Charles Francis
http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684
901

 



[Vo]:Peter Thieberger's “Power Magic”

2013-05-27 Thread Charles Francis
Having followed the various interesting arguments here relating to the PCE-830, 
DC bias (e.g., diode + smoothing capacitor), high frequency AC etc., as 
conceivable anomalous input energies, I today revisited the intriguing “Power 
Magic” diagram from Peter Thieberger: 

 

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-people-are-still-falling-for-it/

 

It appears that this ingenious wiring and switching arrangement would 
successfully bamboozle any clamp-on ammeter while providing correct voltage 
readings, and, via a suitable three state control cycle scenario 
(on/“off”/disconnect), could yield time domain response curves consistent with 
Plot 7 / Plot 8 in the recent Levi et al. technical report on the E-Cat HT. Am 
I correct? If so what technical measures might eliminate this source of 
uncertainty in a future experiment? 

 

Apologies if the diagram has already been discussed. 

 

 

Charles