RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi
In Italy the title ‘Dr’ does not imply a PhD or medical degree, but only a basic (undergraduate) degree. From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] Sent: 07 April 2015 22:20 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:mainstream physics paper bout the Hot Cat, co-author Andrea Rossi Jones Beene, You are deliberately misleading about Rossi getting his degree on-line. He got his PhD from Milan University. He did take an on-line course in chemical engineering later, in order to learn about that. Seems to be a reasonable thing to do. You make much of the lack of theory for how the Li7 gathers a proton. The authors admit they don't know. BUT the idea of the Be splitting into two alphas and not emitting gamma radiation suggests to me that it is worth looking for a mechanism for the Li to gain the necessary proton. I assume no one knows at present.
RE: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season
Seems the human-infectious form of Ebola was patented back in 2010 by a US government lab (CDC): http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en Claims: 1. An isolated hEbola virus comprising a nucleic acid molecule... 2. An isolated hEbola virus having Centers for Disease Control Deposit Accession No. 200706291. And likewise any vaccine that might be forthcoming: 3. The hEbola virus of any one of claims 1 or 2 which is killed. 4. The hEbola virus of claim 1 which is an attenuated hEbola virus. 5. The virus of claim 4 wherein at least one property of the attenuated hEbola virus is reduced from among infectivity, replication ability, protein synthesis ability, assembling ability or cytopathic effect. From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2014 01:08 To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:Off Topic: Flu Season Sorry but since none of the usual policy experts want to touch this with a ten-foot poll, it is shaping up to have some features in common with other civilization-impacting failures of policy experts with which this list is all-too familiar: Early symptoms of Ebola are flu-like and it is contagious during these flu-like symptoms. Now ... consider the fact that flu season is upon us. But you know what's _really_ frightening about this? Not one of the goddamn idiot authorities has even mentioned, let alone assessed, this confounding situation's impact on public health containment measures. Now THAT'S frightening! Read the CDC's guidelines on monitoring and movement of persons with http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitoring-and-movement-of-persons-with-exposure.html exposure and tell me their guidelines work for a country in the throes of massive incidence of flu-like symptoms.
RE: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria
Vladimir Putin today seemed to attribute the horrendous recent events in Eastern Ghouta to the Syrian rebels and, with that in mind, the following Youtube video from last year, apparently showing Syrian Jihadists testing self-produced chemical weapons on rabbits, is relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-6O-gApVrU Some of the ingredients appear routine, others I can't readily identify, and most originate from Tekkim, a Turkish company. Perhaps a competent chemist on this group can make an assessment as to what sort of substance might have been used here? Regards Charles From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda Sent: 06 September 2013 09:55 To: Vortex List Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria At last the sad truth start to reach mainstream media. It is a civil war, a reciprocal bath of blood and hate, sectarian, desperate, where each side know he will be exterminated like cockroach if he lose. the only solution of foreign invasion by regional forces and separation of the communities until they stop hating each others... looks like Yugoslavia in worst.
RE: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria
If Obama gets his way, I’m afraid there’ll be many more stories like this one: http://tinyurl.com/max5tmw Charles From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 September 2013 06:38 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria The piece by Polk was interesting.
RE: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria
Could this man be the reason? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/francois-hollande-photo-news-ag encies -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com] Sent: 03 September 2013 23:44 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT]Shocking Story That Could Derail Attack on Syria The French public doesn't believe the Syria story either --
RE: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks...
What sense indeed? http://rt.com/news/syria-investigate-un-chemical-116/ -Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com] Sent: 28 August 2013 20:27 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Syrian gas attacks... Also relevant - From Scientific American today: 'Is It Too Late to Determine Which Chemical Weapons Were Used in Syria? Probably not, but it's better to act sooner than later' http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=too-late-chemical-weapons-s yria What sense does it make, then, to delay the UN inspectors?
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
On the off-chance, you might try adding potassium carbonate to your mix, given the info mentioned here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84258.html Potassium carbonate (and sodium bicarb?) also seem to behave energetically in the video shown here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84774.html From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 August 2013 02:11 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins
[Vo]:Renzo Mondaini - Kervran reactions
Just watched this fascinating series of videos by Renzo Mondaini, kindly dubbed to English from the Italian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEceEHgaXoU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymFcb9U1Ck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MymFcb9U1Ck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47MslfkdYQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoPGLcmC8S4 It's interesting that he involved the university of Bolognia (Forcardi?) and that like Mills and Defkalion (reportedly) he's using Potassium Carbonate - see my post on this compound from two weeks ago: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84258.html Charles
[Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo
Test is looking professional so far and promising. One concern for me though is that after all that careful flow calibration, they switched the water flow from bucket to sink - thereby changing the system under test. For example, by restricting water flow using a hidden control valve, they might cause the system to run much hotter even though the pump is doing the same work and could therefore report a much greater flow than is actually the case. Obviously, the wires need to be cut at the end of the test to check for sub-wires (or coax) that could deceive the clamp on meters. There is a labyrinth of redundant wires that should be disconnected if possible. Not happy about the interruption of the video stream, hope the observers check for tampering during this time. Charles
[Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo
Shows COP of 5
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo
http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita -Original Message- From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo. Craig On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote: Shows COP of 5
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo
There's recordings below in various parts - sound not working at first. From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 July 2013 14:26 To: John Milstone Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo It's offline... 2013/7/22 Charles Francis fran...@datacomm.ch http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita -Original Message- From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo. Craig On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote: Shows COP of 5 -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Potassium Carbonate
Likely this has been discussed on list before, but here goes: Concerning his recent patent update, Andrea Rossi apparently removed claims to the catalyst (re: the Cat in E-Cat) and it was suggested that this might have to do with prior use of his secret ingredient (i.e., perhaps he borrowed the recipe from elsewhere or inadvertently rediscovered it). I just noticed that anomalous heat production from Potassium Carbonate in combination with atomic hydrogen and nickel is mentioned in this unclassified 1994 military report: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GernertNnascenthyd.pdf (the authors, incidentally, seem to be those today linked with BlackLight Power) Moreover, purportedly leaked notes from a 2012 Defkalion visit again mention Potassium Carbonate: http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Summary-of-Visit-to-Defkalion .pdf So is Potassium Carbonate used in the Rossi/Defkalion devices? And is powdering nickel sufficiently innovative to be protected by a Rossi patent? Would the Potassium Carbonate/Nickel/Hydrogen combination for energy production be under patent somewhere else or is it in the public domain? Charles
Re: [Vo]:Potassium Carbonate
The mentioned NASA replication (Tech Memorandum 107167) is available here: http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/19960016952_1996035672.p df Incidentally, an extract of a NASA presentation following their trip to see Rossi's E-Cat can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djBIWTsnwjY From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: 11 July 2013 14:54 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Potassium Carbonate On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:34 AM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: Use of K carbonate with Ni for generation of excess heat: You might want to check the work of Thermocore circa 1994 and the NASA replication (Tech Memorandum 107167). The document he references from Jed's site is the Thermacore report.
RE: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media
Jed In the comments you wrote: Also the effects are not weak. Heat has been detected at 100 W with no input by Toyota and others, lasting up to 3 months continuously, and tritium has been measured at 10E18 times background. I've read at least one Toyota LENR paper, but can't recall the power measurements you quote. I'd appreciate a link if available. Charles From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 July 2013 23:39 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media If you doubt that skeptics still dominate mass media discussions of cold fusion, see the comment section following this article about global warming. See the comment I posted, and the responses to it: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/07/08/global_warming_wall_stre et_journal_article_cites_bad_evidence_draws_wrong.html It might as well still be 1989. It is ironic that most of these people commenting think they are in favor of science because they oppose the global warming deniers. The last comment is one that I have heard countless times. It is a get-out-jail card that allows you to ignore any breakthrough: I'll believe in cold fusion when I see 10KW of electric power out of a cold fusion power generator. That's net power out, so you have to subtract out all the power that holds the thing together and the energy required to make the fuel. . . . Clalming that a technology that's not proven to work is going to 'solve' anything is ludicrous. Note that I did not say it is going to solve it, I said it might. Anyway, I saw a similar argument the other day. Someone writing about robots said they are no threat to employment because I can hire a Mexican for $10 an hour to do garden work and you can't point to any company that makes a robot that could do that at any price. The issue is not what technology can do today, but what it will probably be capable of doing in the future. Robots are improving rapidly. They can drive cars in California traffic. There is no longer any reason to think they will not be able to do agriculture or gardening cheaper than $10 an hour soon. Cheaper than $1. Eventually, $1 per day. - Jed
[Vo]:OT: More Cheese Power?
http://www.itn.co.uk/And%20Finally/78885/dynamo-levitates-on-the-side-of-a-d ouble-decker-bus
[Vo]:Unidentified subject!
C4FBE7.7050100 @aim.com In-Reply-To: 51c4fbe7.7050...@aim.com Subject: RE: [Vo]: About the March test Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 10:53:34 +0200 Message-ID: 006901ce6f25$fa8a6510$ef9f2f30$@ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_006A_01CE6F36.BE133510 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac5u5rIbfAAUfw+uQzald8XN549WVgAOTonQ Content-Language: en-gb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_006A_01CE6F36.BE133510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In that video, a cable is shown with a central core and outer sheath, and a similar topology can be found in shielded cables for audio or radio frequency purposes. The cheese power trick might deploy this type of cable or alternatively insulated wires side by side in a common sheaf or even a bundle of varnished wires. Charles From: Rob Dingemans [mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com] Sent: 22 June 2013 03:21 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: About the March test Hi, On 21-6-2013 21:49, John Milstone wrote: Again, it's clear from the full description that they were looking for additional WIRES. There is nothing about checking what was IN the wires. Just to borrow a phrase from Jones: This is complete bull crap ! It seems you are completely clueless about how wires are manufactured. The manufacturing process does NOT allow for hidden wires to be included. For some enlighting information see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6m1Uii5v2I Kind regards, Rob --=_NextPart_000_006A_01CE6F36.BE133510 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable html xmlns:v=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml = xmlns:o=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office = xmlns:w=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word = xmlns:m=3Dhttp://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml; = xmlns=3Dhttp://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40;headmeta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Dus-asciimeta name=3DGenerator content=3DMicrosoft Word 12 = (filtered medium)style!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Cambria Math; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman,serif; color:black;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --/style!--[if gte mso 9]xml o:shapedefaults v:ext=3Dedit spidmax=3D1026 / /xml![endif]--!--[if gte mso 9]xml o:shapelayout v:ext=3Dedit o:idmap v:ext=3Dedit data=3D1 / /o:shapelayout/xml![endif]--/headbody bgcolor=3Dwhite = lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurplediv class=3DWordSection1p = class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'In that video, a cable is shown with a central core and outer sheath, = and a similar topology can be found in shielded cables for audio or = radio frequency purposes. The #8220;cheese power#8221; trick might = deploy this type of cable or alternatively insulated wires side by side = in a common sheaf or even a bundle of varnished wires. = nbsp;o:p/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'o:pnbsp;/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'Charleso:p/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'o:pnbsp;/o:p/span/pdivdiv = style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm = 0cm 0cm'p class=3DMsoNormalbspan lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:windowt= ext'From:/span/bspan lang=3DEN-US = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:windowt= ext' Rob Dingemans [mailto:manonbrid...@aim.com] brbSent:/b 22 = June 2013 03:21brbTo:/b vortex-l@eskimo.combrbSubject:/b Re: = [Vo]: About the March testo:p/o:p/span/p/div/divp = class=3DMsoNormalo:pnbsp;/o:p/pdivp = class=3DMsoNormalHi,brbrOn 21-6-2013 21:49, John Milstone = wrote:o:p/o:p/p/divblockquote = style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'divdivp =
[Vo]:Molecular Impact Steam Technology
Another Florida free energy start-up: http://www.mistenergysystems.com Any thoughts on their claims and the supposed Hydrogen Bond Energy? http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/Hydrogen_Bond_Explosions.pdf Just as a lit match releases the energy contained in gasoline, our hyper speed impact releases the energy contained in Hydrogen Bonds. Charles
RE: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports
So in 2012 each Dutch agricultural worker generated an average personal export revenue of 112'276 Euros, in addition to the local produce for the Dutch market. Charles From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 June 2013 23:15 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports The total value of Dutch agricultural exports was 75.4 billion euros in 2012.
[Vo]:Anomalous input energy
A document HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th can be viewed here: http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf Unlike the paper of Levi et al., it doesn't appear to have been prepared for the research community, but is perhaps meant as an internal report for use by commercial parties interested in evaluating E-Cat technology. How and why it entered the public domain is unknown to me. The remarks on Page 11 are of interest in view of considerations on Vortex-l regarding possible anomalous electrical inputs: E-Cat power supply was effected through a control box panel provided with a kWh meter which did not allow separate evaluation of the voltage and current supplied to the module. For this reason, a voltmeter and a clamp ammeter were installed downstream from the control box, so as to monitor power data independently from the panel meter. Due to the fact that panel meter data were found to be quite discordant from those measured by the voltmeter and the ammeter, it was decided to ignore the former and use only the voltmeter and ammeter data recorded manually in the course of the test. The nature of the discordance is apparently not described. The authors add a further remark on page 15 On the other hand, power consumption measurements were less than optimal, because of the reported problem with the control panel; ... Charles
RE: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test
Why expect 2-phase customisation for a relatively low-priority scientific experiment? 3-phase design make sense in the context of the concurrent high-priority finalisation, testing and shipping of a purported 1 MW device, which at a claimed COP of 6 would need an electrical input of 167 KW. Incidentally, these shipping photos supplied by Rossi appear to show Levi and the test setup (and the presence of an armed security guard): http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/e-cat-shipping-pictures-posted-on-the-jonp / Charles From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2013 19:38 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me.
[Vo]:Unidentified subject!
k0iwFQ32HjA@ma il.gmail.com In-Reply-To: cadzc6n9pielm6_xd4qakmtt-lmozaq8xmplp3obk0iwfq32...@mail.gmail.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:50:32 +0200 Message-ID: 001601ce5dec$ac655470$052ffd50$@ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0017_01CE5DFD.6FEE2470 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac5dzFH0C2zgFH4hTTacSgyWh+5A8AAHTuag Content-Language: en-gb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0017_01CE5DFD.6FEE2470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming it's all bogus, how does one account for the various positive reports of SPAWAR and Mitsubishi? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc http://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by-deuterium- permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.html Charles From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 May 2013 08:59 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question It is about time for you to give the bogosity of LENR a fair chance. All your thinking starts from the assumption that it's real. You'll never make progress that way. --=_NextPart_000_0017_01CE5DFD.6FEE2470 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable html xmlns:v=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml = xmlns:o=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office = xmlns:w=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word = xmlns:m=3Dhttp://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml; = xmlns=3Dhttp://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40;headmeta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Dus-asciimeta name=3DGenerator content=3DMicrosoft Word 12 = (filtered medium)style!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Cambria Math; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman,serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-style-priority:99; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman,serif;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --/style!--[if gte mso 9]xml o:shapedefaults v:ext=3Dedit spidmax=3D1026 / /xml![endif]--!--[if gte mso 9]xml o:shapelayout v:ext=3Dedit o:idmap v:ext=3Dedit data=3D1 / /o:shapelayout/xml![endif]--/headbody lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurplediv class=3DWordSection1p class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'Assuming it#8217;s all bogus, how does one account for the various = positive reports of SPAWAR and Mitsubishi?o:p/o:p/span/pp = class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'o:pnbsp;/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'a = href=3Dhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVymhJCcNBBc;http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DVymhJCcNBBc/ao:p/o:p/span/pp = class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'o:pnbsp;/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'a = href=3Dhttp://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by= -deuterium-permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.htm= lhttp://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by-deut= erium-permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.html/a= o:p/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'o:pnbsp;/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'o:pnbsp;/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'Charleso:p/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:#1F497= D'o:pnbsp;/o:p/span/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan =
[Vo]:Unidentified subject!
k0iwFQ32HjA@ma il.gmail.com In-Reply-To: cadzc6n9pielm6_xd4qakmtt-lmozaq8xmplp3obk0iwfq32...@mail.gmail.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:55:08 +0200 Message-ID: 002101ce5ded$511424b0$f33c6e10$@ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0022_01CE5DFE.149CF4B0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac5dzFH0C2zgFH4hTTacSgyWh+5A8AAILNhA Content-Language: en-gb This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0022_01CE5DFE.149CF4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (Sorry my previous post was somehow corrupted, so I resend:) Assuming it's all bogus, how does one account for the various positive reports of SPAWAR and Mitsubishi? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc http://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by-deuterium- permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.html Charles From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 May 2013 08:59 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question It is about time for you to give the bogosity of LENR a fair chance. All your thinking starts from the assumption that it's real. You'll never make progress that way. --=_NextPart_000_0022_01CE5DFE.149CF4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable html xmlns:v=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml = xmlns:o=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office = xmlns:w=3Durn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word = xmlns:m=3Dhttp://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml; = xmlns=3Dhttp://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40;headmeta = http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Dus-asciimeta name=3DGenerator content=3DMicrosoft Word 12 = (filtered medium)style!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Cambria Math; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Consolas; panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman,serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p.MsoPlainText, li.MsoPlainText, div.MsoPlainText {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:Plain Text Char; margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.5pt; font-family:Consolas;} p {mso-style-priority:99; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0cm; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0cm; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Times New Roman,serif;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; color:#1F497D;} span.PlainTextChar {mso-style-name:Plain Text Char; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:Plain Text; font-family:Consolas;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --/style!--[if gte mso 9]xml o:shapedefaults v:ext=3Dedit spidmax=3D1026 / /xml![endif]--!--[if gte mso 9]xml o:shapelayout v:ext=3Dedit o:idmap v:ext=3Dedit data=3D1 / /o:shapelayout/xml![endif]--/headbody lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue = vlink=3Dpurplediv class=3DWordSection1p class=3DMsoPlainText(Sorry = my previous post was somehow corrupted, so I resend:)o:p/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTexto:pnbsp;/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTexto:pnbsp;/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTextAssuming it's all bogus, how does one account for = the various positive reports of SPAWAR and Mitsubishi?o:p/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTexto:pnbsp;/o:p/pp class=3DMsoPlainTexta = href=3Dhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DVymhJCcNBBc;http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DVymhJCcNBBc/ao:p/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTexto:pnbsp;/o:p/pp class=3DMsoPlainText = o:p/o:p/pp class=3DMsoPlainTexta = href=3Dhttp://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by= -deuterium-permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.htm= lhttp://www.slashdocs.com/pxiyk/transmutation-reactions-induced-by-deut= erium-permeation-through-nano-structured-pd-multilayer-thin-film.html/a= o:p/o:p/pp class=3DMsoPlainTexto:pnbsp;/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTexto:pnbsp;/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTextCharleso:p/o:p/pp = class=3DMsoPlainTexto:pnbsp;/o:p/pp class=3DMsoNormalspan =
RE: [Vo]:On deception
A weakness regarding the recent Ecat paper by Levi et al. is the apparent absence of an EE. In a future test they would ideally include a power engineer along with thermal image and data logging specialists. Charles -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 May 2013 18:46 To: Yamali Yamali Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:On deception Well, I graduated from Georgia Tech in 1977 with an EE, am a registered professional engineer and manage a group of mostly EE consulting engineers and I agree with Jed. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: Jed wrote: I do not think it takes long for an electrical engineer to conclude that there is no possibility of fraud in these tests. I bet you won't find any EE with any experience in the business who would sign such a statement.
RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question
Surely the control box is an integral part of the Rossi system under test? Why then insist on internal sub-system measurements? Why not analyse the Rossi system cleanly by just considering external inputs and outputs without regard to internals? After all, an engineer doesn't break open an unknown transistor or integrated circuit to determine its characteristics. Charles From: Andrew [mailto:andrew...@att.net] Sent: 29 May 2013 01:59 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question NO, NO, NO. The cable I'm referring to, which I've described three times now, os the other one - the one between the control box and the device. Good Grief. - Original Message - From: MarkI-ZeroPoint mailto:zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question I think there is some confusion on the issue of cables, what cables, and 'bringing your own cables' and I want to make sure we are all on the same page. correct any misunderstandings in the following so we all understand the details and importance of each. First, the cable Andrew is referring to is the one from the AC wall plug to the control box. The REASON why Andrew and others are asking if Rossi would allow the scientists to use their own AC power cable is because of the diagram on this page which is immediately following the pie chart of Natural Nickel Composition: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-peo ple-are-still-falling-for-it/ The diagram is by Peter Thieberger, a particle physicist. It shows how some 'rewiring ' of a power cable can be done so that it will register NO current on any meters monitoring the separate wires of the power cable. I do not know if this scenario is one that the test team thought about, but if someone can present them with the diagram and find out if their measurements can eliminate this possibility, that'd be great. If they did not account for this scenario, then we need to make sure they are aware of it so the next test can eliminate this possibility of fraud. Second, when someone (Rossi) said, . they could bring their own cables., I got the impression that this was only referring to the cables which attach the measurement instruments to the system (e.g., the cables from the Power Analyzer to the AC power cable), NOT the AC power cable. So let's not get confused as to 'what cables' are being referred to. -Mark Iverson From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:28 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote: The cable is what connects the control box to the device. It appears from the report that they did not examine it for anomalies. They did not examine it. That would reveal trade secrets, as noted in the report. So, are the researchers free to replace it with one of their own, or not? Of course not. They do not even have the specs for it. What happens in the cable and controller is irrelevant to the energy balance. Despite the discussions here, there is no way what occurs in the controller box or the cable can steal electricity without the meters detecting it. That would violate the conservation of energy. When electric power is consumed, either the amperage or the voltage must rise. You might hide input power from some types of meter by changing the output from the electric plug. However, there has been a great of nonsense about that here, as well. You can't do that merely by raising voltage. When voltage exceeds the meter's limits, the meter does not ignore that. It displays a message such as or OUT OF RANGE. The March dummy calibration run, according to the report, involved placing voltage probes across the device while the control box was switched on in non-pulsed mode. You are right. It says: Resistor coil power consumption was measured by placing the instrument in single-phase directly on the coil input cables, and was found to be, on average, about 810 W. From this one derives that the power consumption of the control box was approximately = 110-120 W. In this case they were using the coils as joule heaters in a conventional step-by-step calibration. So your statement that At no point did they measure output from the controller contradicts that. Please clarify. I got that wrong. - Jed
[Vo]:The First Image Ever of a Hydrogen Atom's Orbital Structure
http://io9.com/the-first-image-ever-of-a-hydrogen-atoms-orbital-struc-509684 901
[Vo]:Peter Thieberger's “Power Magic”
Having followed the various interesting arguments here relating to the PCE-830, DC bias (e.g., diode + smoothing capacitor), high frequency AC etc., as conceivable anomalous input energies, I today revisited the intriguing “Power Magic” diagram from Peter Thieberger: http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2013/05/21/the-e-cat-is-back-and-people-are-still-falling-for-it/ It appears that this ingenious wiring and switching arrangement would successfully bamboozle any clamp-on ammeter while providing correct voltage readings, and, via a suitable three state control cycle scenario (on/“off”/disconnect), could yield time domain response curves consistent with Plot 7 / Plot 8 in the recent Levi et al. technical report on the E-Cat HT. Am I correct? If so what technical measures might eliminate this source of uncertainty in a future experiment? Apologies if the diagram has already been discussed. Charles