From: Wesley Bruce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Steorm
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:10:22 +1000
Your overlooking the problem of patents. The patent will not be
allowed if the theory is disputed and it gets worse if there is no
theory at all.Steorm wants the patents on this. Peer reviews wont
help the reviewers must have hands on contact. They simply wont
believe a paper.
There are several ways to do what needs to be done.
* Publish a peer review paper and a patent at the same time. The
publicize both. That was what Fleischmann and Pons tried and it
did not work.
* The Steorm jury, This is the process used in the past with several
disputed discoveries. Including the latitude contest, some early
discoveries in medicine including immunization and safe blood
donations. It is common in classified work where public papers etc
would kill the projects secrecy.
* Build a car or boat and dive or sail it past large audiences. The
first submarine, the first steam train contests and of cause the
Wright brothers.
* Publish the design outside peer review and have hundreds duplicate
the work. Paul C.W. Chu and his colleagues, the discoverers of
high temperature Yittirium based superconductors followed this
path in part. As far as I know they had to forgo the possibility
of patents but got major awards and posts which is a compensation.
[if I have this bit wrong tell me please.]
Each has its challenges and it risks.
A test requires several things:
* The starting impulse, if required, must be filly controlled and
measured. I.e. do you start it with a shove or not?
* It must run a load.
* All wires,etc must be visible labeled and reasonably tamper proof.
If placed in an air tight box filled will it still run. This will get
submarine designers interested.
If it still runs if it is turned upside down it will get a lot of
Nasa attention.
The best test of a scam is to ask the two key questions.
1. How do they intend to make a buck from the scam?
2. How do they intend to escape prosecution if it is a scam. Can they
run and hide somehow?
Steorm is not asking for money in any way and I can't see how they
could be pulling a scam. Where's the money in it if their not telling
the truth?
There is too much data on the people involved for them to up and run
if it is a scam. A good conman never gets his photo all over the web.
These guys seem to be real. There may be an error that they can't see
but there does not seem to be scam.
I doubt that the laws of thermodynamics are under any threat. Any
demonstration of free energy is in effect simply a demonstration that
we have not yet measured and named all of the energy fluxes in the
the universe. Once we have a powerplant running in we can measure its
out put from place to place,or over time or in proximity to other
things. Any slight variations in output will allow us to map and then
define the underlying energy flow.
If it is 500 mW / cc [0.5 watts/ litre] then I have about a hundred
applications for it.
One key question is whether it generates gyroscopic forces; that
could make it hard to use on a vehicle.
William Beaty wrote:
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Mark Goldes wrote:
That is great news!
I have not listened to the interview.
All the more likely they have done what they claim.
If they just published detailed plans and construction info on their
website, (and if the device is relatively easy to get working,)
there'd be
no need for this "jury" stuff. It looks like a publicity stunt, not a
legit tactic. On the other hand, their device could be like SMOT,
and be
extremely difficult to work with. That would be a good reason *not* to
just post the plans and let everyone try building it. (The
Pons-Fleichman
problem also involved a large number of failed replications.)
But if secrecy wasn't their philosophy, they could just *say* that
they'd
otherwise just release everything ...but that their device is finicky.
Where FE is concerned, secrecy has always been the major evil in the
past.
The secrecy keeps onlookers from knowing whether it's a scam. The
secrecy
sets up a catch-22 for selling OU products or even finding legit
investors. And I suspect that if any groups want to suppress the
discovery, inventor's secrecy is absolutly critical to successful
suppression.
Watch closely. We'll see if I'm right again.
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