Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's changing stance on whether this is cold fusion

2011-12-01 Thread Peter Gluck
And the description is more similar to Piantelli's understanding of the
ptocess as described in the
Pontignano Poster and/or WO 2010/068288.

*Chemically asssisted* LENR seems to show that the added chemical (both
Rossi's and their) is enhancing in some way the Ni-H reactions.

Peter

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is a minor issue compared to the rest of the brouhaha, but I note
 that Defkalion appears to be changing their tune regarding whether this is
 cold fusion or something else. In their white paper released in June, they
 said:

 The field of energy research known as 'cold fusion' has positive and
 negative connotations. It is also called LENR. Hundreds of man-years of
 research have been committed to cold fusion, hoping to achieve the ultimate
 energy dream: limitless energy. However, overall, a stigma has created
 ambiguous feelings that the researchers aim to reach the end of the
 rainbow. The science behind the products of Defkalion is not related to
 cold fusion, even though it is identified as such in current media
 coverage.

 When I read that I thought: Who are they trying to kid? Of course it is
 cold fusion. I base that on what McKubre calls the conservation of
 miracles. I assume they were trying to avoid the negative connotations of
 cold fusion. Their statement is understandable . . . but lame. I regard
 this as doubletalk. I agree with Jones Beene that it is annoying.

 Now they say:

 Defkalion’s scientific RD team have successfully managed to trigger and
 monitor Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions caused by Nickel
 and Hydrogen nuclei. Following extensive experimentation on the
 preparation, cleaning and degassing of Nickel clusters and atomic Hydrogen
 systems, valuable knowledge has been gained. The data was obtained from
 conventional, non-specifically designed for LENR instrumentation, such as
 mass-spectrometer, gas-chromatographer, Wilson camera, SEM spectra and
 others.

 That's more like it.

 - Jed




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Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
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Re: [Vo]:Defkalion's changing stance on whether this is cold fusion

2011-12-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:


 Whenever I've read of people studying this effect who've disavowed 'cold
 fusion', it wasn't that they were disavowing a nuclear reaction . . .


In this case they have disavowed any connection to other research: The
science behind the products of Defkalion is not related to cold fusion,
even though it is identified as such in current media coverage.

- Jed