Re: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
I know what metals I want, but I don't know how to get ahold of monoatomic hydrogen gas. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Catalytic-Converter-by-Eastern-not-for-sale-in-California-70249-/380756192522?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item58a6d66d0avxp=mtr about $40 with free shipping What is good about the arrangement Axil described is the company will custom manufacture converters with different metals. They are extremely friendly to this idea of providing Cat reactors to experimenters, and have a lot of options they can offer us, including integrating different nano-metals in various combinations (e.g. Palladium, Platinum, Nickel) . . . That is much better than using off-the-shelf catalytic converters. The hard part is knowing what metals you want. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
Not for sale in California. Well, that sucks... for me. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Catalytic-Converter-by-Eastern-not-for-sale-in-California-70249-/380756192522?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item58a6d66d0avxp=mtr about $40 with free shipping *From:* Axil Axil He'll make those available for $100, and shipping was only around $14 from Florida.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
Install an electric arc or spark plug in one or both ends of the closed and pressure sealed catalytic converter and proceed to spark as required. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: I know what metals I want, but I don't know how to get ahold of monoatomic hydrogen gas. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Catalytic-Converter-by-Eastern-not-for-sale-in-California-70249-/380756192522?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item58a6d66d0avxp=mtr about $40 with free shipping What is good about the arrangement Axil described is the company will custom manufacture converters with different metals. They are extremely friendly to this idea of providing Cat reactors to experimenters, and have a lot of options they can offer us, including integrating different nano-metals in various combinations (e.g. Palladium, Platinum, Nickel) . . . That is much better than using off-the-shelf catalytic converters. The hard part is knowing what metals you want. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
From: Kevin I know what metals I want, but I don't know how to get ahold of monoatomic hydrogen gas. The nature of any spillover catalyst, and any CC is loaded with them, is to convert H2 into monatomic nuclei. It will not be a gas per se, but proton will attach to the catalyst. BTW - the California-legal CC costs more but is more active. You can get one for less than $100 on eBay.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
Jones: Thanks for the informative heads up about spillover. What I would need is to know how much H1 monoatomic gas I'm feeding into the system. It would not have to be exact, it would just have to be within 3 to 5%. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Kevin I know what metals I want, but I don't know how to get ahold of monoatomic hydrogen gas. The nature of any spillover catalyst, and any CC is loaded with them, is to convert H2 into monatomic nuclei. It will not be a gas per se, but proton will attach to the catalyst. BTW - the California-legal CC costs more but is more active. You can get one for less than $100 on eBay.
[Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
One of the best developments that has come out of the H Cat open source developers movements has been finding the guys at thunderboltperformance.comhttp://www.thunderboltperformance.com/, which is a manufacturer of catalytic converters. They are extremely friendly to this idea of providing Cat reactors to experimenters, and have a lot of options they can offer us, including integrating different nano-metals in various combinations (e.g. Palladium, Platinum, Nickel), leaving off the insulation around the catalytic converter, embedding heat exchangers in the matrix. It's pretty much just a matter of pressing some buttons, and out comes the product type of E Cat you want. To get ours going, we just went with an off-the-shelf matrix combination of palladium and rhodium on a metal substrate (300 cells/inch) in a 4 (outer diameter) stainless steel pipe, with an extra 2.75 inches on the incoming side to place some ceramic insulation to prevent back-flash, and with no insulation around the catalytic converter. That was easy for them to make. He'll make those available for $100, and shipping was only around $14 from Florida. It would be easy for him to make this just Nickel, or Nickel and Palladium, or just Palladium; but would require a lead time of about a week or two; and he wasn't sure what the price would be for that kind of custom order. There no excuse to not get your E Cat experiments off the ground now. So writeup your reactor specs and get them in now.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
That is great! I have been thinking for a long time that catalytic converts should be used in cold fusion. They are engineered to be robust, and to expose all of the catalytic metal to the gas. Off the shelf hydrogen filters have been used to good effect. Hydrogen filter palladium is engineered to be robust. In this case, to withstand high loading without cracking. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
From: Jed Rothwell That is great! I have been thinking for a long time that catalytic converts should be used in cold fusion. They are engineered to be robust, and to expose all of the catalytic metal to the gas. Off the shelf hydrogen filters have been used to good effect. Hydrogen filter palladium is engineered to be robust. In this case, to withstand high loading without cracking. If the gain is really from LENR then it makes more sense to use hydrogen from a tank - there is no need for electrolysis and the risk of explosion from HHO. And no need for a very expensive hydrogen filter. And no need for oxygen either. Of course, many of the proponents think that HHO as a mixed gas is more potent than is the same amount of H2 from a tank, but that is not proved. A meaningful experiment to test for LENR would be an Arata - Cravens type of unpowered experiment with low pressure hydrogen filing a sealed catalytic converter (flushed of air so no combustion). Do you get a small temperature gain with no power input? Based on Cravens demo, there could be a significant thermal gain given the very large amount of catalyst in contact with H2.
RE: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Catalytic-Converter-by-Eastern-not-for-sal e-in-California-70249-/380756192522?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Catalytic-Converter-by-Eastern-not-for-sa le-in-California-70249-/380756192522?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessoriesh ash=item58a6d66d0avxp=mtr hash=item58a6d66d0avxp=mtr about $40 with free shipping.. From: Axil Axil He'll make those available for $100, and shipping was only around $14 from Florida.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Catalytic-Converter-by-Eastern-not-for-sale-in-California-70249-/380756192522?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item58a6d66d0avxp=mtr about $40 with free shipping What is good about the arrangement Axil described is the company will custom manufacture converters with different metals. They are extremely friendly to this idea of providing Cat reactors to experimenters, and have a lot of options they can offer us, including integrating different nano-metals in various combinations (e.g. Palladium, Platinum, Nickel) . . . That is much better than using off-the-shelf catalytic converters. The hard part is knowing what metals you want. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat experimenters take note
The hypothesis that I would like to see tested in the water cluster theory of cavitation. This idea goes as follows: Cavitation produces water clusters of H2O, H, and O atoms in various configurations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cluster Evanescent *surface plasmon polariton* nano - reactions will then produce over unity heat generation in the cat converter. If the solutions of water clusters are pre prepared via cavitation, addition types of nano-particles can be included in the colloid that from which the HHO is generated. Potassium carbonate would be a good addition to that colloid. Different nano-particle combination colloid mixtures could be tested that vary in particle micro/nano size and/or chemical composition; for example, single and multiple wall carbon nanotubes, and Bucky balls are a must to try. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Jed Rothwell That is great! I have been thinking for a long time that catalytic converts should be used in cold fusion. They are engineered to be robust, and to expose all of the catalytic metal to the gas. Off the shelf hydrogen filters have been used to good effect. Hydrogen filter palladium is engineered to be robust. In this case, to withstand high loading without cracking. If the gain is really from LENR then it makes more sense to use hydrogen from a tank - there is no need for electrolysis and the risk of explosion from HHO. And no need for a very expensive hydrogen filter. And no need for oxygen either. Of course, many of the proponents think that HHO as a mixed gas is more potent than is the same amount of H2 from a tank, but that is not proved. A meaningful experiment to test for LENR would be an Arata - Cravens type of unpowered experiment with low pressure hydrogen filing a sealed catalytic converter (flushed of air so no combustion). Do you get a small temperature gain with no power input? Based on Cravens demo, there could be a significant thermal gain given the very large amount of catalyst in contact with H2.
