Re: [Vo]:Energy REMOVALl causes e+P fusion.

[Abd ul-Rahman Lomax]

At 01:36 AM 5/11/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Wm. Scott Smith 
<scott...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Bohr "orbit." It takes energy -- a lot of energy, apparently, -- to
> bring an electron and a proton into close proximity.

Actually it takes the removal of lots of energy to bring an electron 
and proton together.  it is only orbital energy that can maintain 
their separation; this is its energy of fusion.


I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. There are other forces involved 
in electron capture. Nuclear forces, albeit weak nuclear forces.


The rest energy of the neutron is 0.8 MeV higher than the rest 
energy of the electron plus proton. That means it takes 0.8 MeV to 
cause the electron capture by a proton. It's endothermic. That's why 
a free neutron decays spontaneously to a proton plus electron with a 
half-life of about 15 minutes.


This 0.8 MeV barrier to the formation of a W-L neutron is 10 to 100 
times higher than the Coulomb barrier to fusion, and fusion is exothermic.


W-L try to obscure the energy barrier to the formation of a neutron 
by calling the electron a "heavy" electron instead of an energetic 
electron. The Coulomb barrier is something familiar to most people 
from static electricity; the energy barrier to electron capture by a 
proton is not understood by people who only give W-L a superficial 
look. People, regrettably, like NASA's Bushnell.


Yeah, kind of what I think. Thanks, Joshua, maybe you are good for 
something. How about helping out at http:en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold 
fusion? Just remember: Be Nice. 

Re: [Vo]:Energy REMOVALl causes e+P fusion.

[Joshua Cude]

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Wm. Scott Smith wrote:

>  > Bohr "orbit." It takes energy -- a lot of energy, apparently, -- to
> > bring an electron and a proton into close proximity.
>
> Actually it takes the *removal *of lots of energy to bring an electron and
> proton together.  it is only orbital energy that can maintain their
> separation; this is its energy of fusion.
>
>

I'm sorry, but this is just wrong. There are other forces involved in
electron capture. Nuclear forces, albeit weak nuclear forces.


The rest energy of the neutron is 0.8 MeV higher than the rest energy of the
electron plus proton. That means it takes 0.8 MeV to cause the electron
capture by a proton. It's endothermic. That's why a free neutron decays
spontaneously to a proton plus electron with a half-life of about 15
minutes.


This 0.8 MeV barrier to the formation of a W-L neutron is 10 to 100 times
higher than the Coulomb barrier to fusion, and fusion is exothermic.


W-L try to obscure the energy barrier to the formation of a neutron by
calling the electron a "heavy" electron instead of an energetic electron.
The Coulomb barrier is something familiar to most people from static
electricity; the energy barrier to electron capture by a proton is not
understood by people who only give W-L a superficial look. People,
regrettably, like NASA's Bushnell.

[Vo]:Energy REMOVALl causes e+P fusion.

[Wm. Scott Smith]

> Bohr "orbit." It takes energy -- a lot of energy, apparently, -- to 
> bring an electron and a proton into close proximity.
Actually it takes the removal of lots of energy to bring an electron and proton 
together.  it is only orbital energy that can maintain their separation; this 
is its energy of fusion.