On further thought, I think I can debunk my own idea here.
The problem is that if the magnetic field is not moving relative to the
drifting electrons then it is moving relative to the circuit (volt meter
probes) that check for the hall effect voltage, and these moving magnetic
fields would be inducing a voltage in these probes anyway.
Also if you stopped putting current through the hall effect sensor then the
voltage induction would stop because now instead of no voltage induced in
the hall effect censor (if that is what is occurring), a voltage opposing
that of the external circuit would be found.
I realized this because it is an issue with N-machines, even if the
magnetic field does rotate with the magnet, it would still induce voltage
in the external circuit (brushes, etc) and a voltage and current would
appear once the circuit was completed.
And you can't complete a circuit in an N-machine without 2 reference frames
for the same reasons, opposing voltages are induced.
With a hall effect censor the current through the censor provides the
second reference frame.
A hall effect censor looks a lot like a solid state N-machine.
John
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 4:01 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
I have been trying to conceive of experiments that would give a different
result based on if a magnetic field was created by only the electrons in a
wire, or also created by the protons in a wire dependant on relative
velocity.
I have thought of many that do not even need testing and furnish the
result that the electric field moving does not create a magnetic field, and
that the protons shouldn't create the field SR would expect.
Anyway here is one I find interesting based on the Hall effect.
Basically if the magnetic field from a coil is only produced by the
electrons, then the magnetic field from the electrons would be moving with
the electrons at their drift velocity.
If you now have a hall effect censor that has a current through the hall
sensor that in parallel to this magnetic field and in the same direction,
then the electrons in the hall effect censor would have little or no
relative velocity (assuming same drift speed) to the electrons providing
the magnetic field under test.
And hence little or no hall effect voltage. But if the direction of the
current is reversed in either the hall effect sensor or the electromagnet,
then suddenly a voltage should be found suddenly, or grow larger if a tiny
result was initially detected.
However if the electrons moving with the electrons on the other wire saw
the protons making a magnetic field, this result would not take place.
I hope this is not too hard to test as it could be a very illuminating
experiment.
John
