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Howdy Robin, Some several years back Professor Youds of London website showed a test setup that described an experiment using a high speed blower fan that inducted air into a cone creating a vortex. He claimed the vortex produced a " reverse vortex" at the face of the blower fan blade when he used a cup shaped enhancer. His claim was the inner reverse vortex produced measurable light in the gamma range when the VFD driven motor was running the fan blade at 7225 RPM. An all air, no water. We tried duplicating this experiment with no results. However, during one of hundreds of tests in water on various configurations of high speed distributors, we were able to produce this elusive inner reverse vortex visible in the tank of clear water. This event happened during a test at our standard 3450 RPM motor speed. Set it aside for another day. We suspect this reverse vortex may play a role in tornado produced lightning events. It may just be dust drawn into the tornado.. but.. we don't know.. like most science.. as Jones often pens.. we often spend money and time in reseach of elusive themes when we have so much " natural" science waiting to study. Richard Robin wrote, In reply to R C Macaulay's message of Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:47:43 -0500: Hi Richard, Maybe real tornadoes do this when they suck something up with a difference consistency (e.g. pass over a pool). If so, then you may not have much luck recreating the effect with a vortex in pure water. Howdy Jones, I have been reading this thread with interest. We believe a vortex configuration whereas the center funnel can be "formed or shaped" into a series of several "hourglass" stages, progressively larger toward the top, may add much. It may be possible to configure these "hourglass shapes" using magnets. We are working on it but have yet to produce one in the test tank. A keen observer of vids of tornadoes can occasionally see several of these "hourglasses in the funnel. It is interesting that these particular funnels are the the one's that create inner funnel lightning. The vids show an occasional "inner lighting effect". Strange and wonderful stuff.. Fun stuff. Richard Jones wrote, Magnetization might help. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM
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In reply to R C Macaulay's message of Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:47:43 -0500: Hi Richard, Maybe real tornadoes do this when they suck something up with a difference consistency (e.g. pass over a pool). If so, then you may not have much luck recreating the effect with a vortex in pure water. >Howdy Jones, >I have been reading this thread with interest. We believe a vortex >configuration whereas the center funnel can be "formed or shaped" into a >series of several "hourglass" stages, progressively larger toward the top, >may add much. It may be possible to configure these "hourglass shapes" using >magnets. We are working on it but have yet to produce one in the test tank. >A keen observer of vids of tornadoes can occasionally see several of these >"hourglasses in the funnel. It is interesting that these particular funnels >are the the one's that create inner funnel lightning. The vids show an >occasional "inner lighting effect". >Strange and wonderful stuff.. Fun stuff. >Richard > > >Jones wrote, >>Magnetization might help. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Howdy Jones, I have been reading this thread with interest. We believe a vortex configuration whereas the center funnel can be "formed or shaped" into a series of several "hourglass" stages, progressively larger toward the top, may add much. It may be possible to configure these "hourglass shapes" using magnets. We are working on it but have yet to produce one in the test tank. A keen observer of vids of tornadoes can occasionally see several of these "hourglasses in the funnel. It is interesting that these particular funnels are the the one's that create inner funnel lightning. The vids show an occasional "inner lighting effect". Strange and wonderful stuff.. Fun stuff. Richard Jones wrote, Magnetization might help.
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On Oct 10, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Horace wrote: Here is a reason I think that can be expected to happen: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NuclearZPEtapping.pdf Nice work as always. Thanks! You probably are aware already, if you watched the Pollack video, that the same logic can apply to the partial confinement (structuring) of water. Yep, I've been keenly aware of the possible importance of water structure, especially in high electric fields, and under high pressures. See water structure related notes in: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Key2Free.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/GlowExper.pdf Also the importance of orbital stressing by various means: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Ostressing.pdf For others who have not read the paper, I will quote from the first page of the pdf, and hope that the math symbols show up. In "plain text" they will not, which is probably why HH does not paste these into his own postings (unless he has finally upgraded to an email program with a few more modern features like html ;-) ENERGY FROM UNCERTAINTY The uncertainty of momentum for a particle constrained by distance Δx is given, according to Heisenberg, by: Δmv = h/(2 π Δx)but since KE = (1/2) m v2 = (1/(2 m) ) (Δmv)2 ΔKE = (1/(2 m)) (h/(2 π Δx))2 ΔKE = h2 /((8 π2 m) (Δx)2) the more you can confine the position of a particle the more energy you can potentially observe when you sample that energy. If an electron can be confined to a 1 angstrom range then there is an uncertainty of 1.06x10-24 kg-m/s on the momentum and thus 6.1x10-19 J or 3.8 eV uncertainty on energy. END The superscripts don't show up properly in the above. The predecessor paper: http://mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/HeisenbergTraps.pdf has the original formula text as posted on vorex: "Uncertainty of momentum for a particle (electron) constrained by distance delta x is given by: delta mv = h/(2 Pi delta x) but since KE = (1/2) m v^2 = (1/(2 m) ) (delta mv)^2 delta KE = (1/(2 m)) (h/(2 Pi delta x))^2 delta KE = h^2 /((8 Pi^2 m) (delta x)^2) the more you can confine the position of an electron the more energy you can potentially observe when you sample that energy. If an electron can be confined to a 1 angstrom range then there is an uncertainty of 1.06x10^-24 kg-m/s on the momentum and thus 6.1x10^-19 J or 3.8 eV uncertainty on energy." "This could be an explanation in part for "heat after death", excess heat in the Szpak cell (where electrons are concentrated on one end of the cathode), as well as other excess heat observations not occurring until the gamma phase of loading. Conductivity of the cathode is reduced in the gamma phase of loading. The necessary condition for heat creation in Pd type CF experiments is filling of (and therefore eliminating) the Pd conduction bands - in addition to basic loading. This has to happen without cracking the lattice, which is apparently the difficult part. When the lattice cracks the gas in the vicinity leaks and confinement is ended. Large parts of an electrode volume have cracks and thus there is a steady flow of hydrogen into and out of a cathode, which precludes electron trapping in those volumes." Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, this might not work in Alaska in the winter But it might be used to traverse the universe as the source for the infinite improbability drive! Terry
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Horace wrote: > Here is a reason I think that can be expected to happen: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NuclearZPEtapping.pdf Nice work as always. You probably are aware already, if you watched the Pollack video, that the same logic can apply to the partial confinement (structuring) of water. For others who have not read the paper, I will quote from the first page of the pdf, and hope that the math symbols show up. In "plain text" they will not, which is probably why HH does not paste these into his own postings (unless he has finally upgraded to an email program with a few more modern features like html ;-) ENERGY FROM UNCERTAINTY The uncertainty of momentum for a particle constrained by distance Δx is given, according to Heisenberg, by: Δmv = h/(2 π Δx)but since KE = (1/2) m v2 = (1/(2 m) ) (Δmv)2 ΔKE = (1/(2 m)) (h/(2 π Δx))2 ΔKE = h2 /((8 π2 m) (Δx)2) the more you can confine the position of a particle the more energy you can potentially observe when you sample that energy. If an electron can be confined to a 1 angstrom range then there is an uncertainty of 1.06x10-24 kg-m/s on the momentum and thus 6.1x10-19 J or 3.8 eV uncertainty on energy. END Now that is a lot of energy if this reasoning is correct, and many of us think that it is correct to a significant degree (there could be other moderating influences). In contrast, the corresponding energy available from structuring water (into 'easy-water' or EZHHO) is not this large but it is much easier to do, since the "structure" itself will "grow" over time, and it does not require exotic metals. To pretreat or structure water, in order to convert it into an energy-containing fluid, it could very well be possible that the main thing which is required is a proper container and plumbing, a supply of water and time. Possibly computerized controls would assist. The only input is either ambient heat or solare photongs. Since the "exclusion zone" the "EZ" operates to exclude particulates, the water does not even need to be pure, but if Pollack is correct, then solar activation may be needed (at least to speed up the "growth" of the aligned structure). Note the connection here to the Graneau work - where solar energy was said to be the ultimate source of gain there. CAVEAT - Graneau's work is controversial, even among former insiders - as are almost all of the anecdotes about" water-as-fuel." However, that could be because the MO was not understood, and therefore the results were not replicable on-demand. As of now, it may be prudent to operate under the premise that the mechanism for water structuring has now been explicated authroitatively, and what was not well known formerly, or at least underappreciated in its implications can now be engineered to be a reliable system for ambient energy conversion. Jones PS - As a practical matter - it would not surprise me a bit to imagine a future scenario where almost every home can be powered by activated water - EZHHO - and furthermore, that the the most notable indicia of what is going on, would be a large number of plastic drums, possibly in the garage or a shed, and with assorted plumbing. This setup would be employed to almost imperctibly process water into a structure liquid, which can give up that "energy from uncertainty" gainfully. Perhaps water is first pumped through an exterior array of roof-mounted clear plastic piping and then circulated over the proper "growth enhancing" surface. Magnetization might help. After a few days of low input processing, one would have the EZHHO for that day, which could be "burned" in a number of ways. It might take 48 hours to "grow" the water for any complete day, and at several gallons per hour consumption might be required to produce the house requirements. One way to use the structured water - is a situation where energy is added, such as in the form of electrical arcing -- and the excess energy is then expanded through a turbine (genset). A large percentage of the gain is recycled - but who cares? There is essentially no ongoing cost, as even the water can be recycled (ergo - overhead is the only cost factor). However, this might not work in Alaska in the winter
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On Oct 8, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: It's kind of odd that almost four decades later, the same exact oral report could be given over again with almost no changes. There is an alternative program that is commonly overlooked, despite its great success and promise. See: http://www.sandia.gov/media/z290.htm It is notable that this device showed an overunity energy balance in a control run using helium (though I no longer have the reference for that.) Here is a reason I think that can be expected to happen: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/NuclearZPEtapping.pdf Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:08:45 -0400: Hi, [snip] >When God builds a nuclear reactor he uses brute force. Humans are >trying to use cleverness to get the same result with a lot less force, >and it does seem rather like the basic problems are kind of fundamental... [snip] No, the problem is easily overcome by working with nature rather than against it. The problem is that we have been trying to use brute force too. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:37:33 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Now, however, they believe they are on the verge of achieving >controlled fusion in a laboratory for the first time. [snip] Where have they been for the last 20 years? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Between 35 and 40 years ago I did a term paper and oral presentation on hot fusion for a high school class in ... I forget which subject; not sure what grade it was, either. Certainly it was *at* *least* 35 years ago. Conclusions that I drew: -- Laser fusion would be possible, *but* the only lasers powerful enough at the time were neodymium glass lasers, and they had several problems: They were expensive, they were very inefficient, and the glass cracked after a relatively short working life. Consequently it was hard to see how the process could ever be made practical -- or even over-unity -- unless far, far better lasers were developed. -- Magnetic confinement fusion had proved much harder than anyone expected, due to the fact that super-hot plasma in a magnetic field acts like a very badly behaved fluid. It develops peculiar "instabilities" when it's hot and under pressure, which result in its wiggling out of confinement and touching the container walls, at which time it cools off instantly and that's the end of the reaction. It's kind of odd that almost four decades later, the same exact oral report could be given over again with almost no changes. Oh, there've been some improvements in laser technology; they've finally gotten better materials than neodymium glass, I think. But the basic problem -- too little beam power at too high cost and too low efficiency -- hasn't changed. And magnetic pinch, zeta pinch, stellerator, and so on designs have evolved into the Tokomak and variations, which can contain the plasma longer and and under more pressure -- but the fundamental problem, which is that magnetic "bottles" leak like Klein bottles, remains the same. When God builds a nuclear reactor he uses brute force. Humans are trying to use cleverness to get the same result with a lot less force, and it does seem rather like the basic problems are kind of fundamental...
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Seems appropriate coming from a hohlraum: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/10/05/scisun104.xml Nuclear fusion energy project could lead to limitless clean electricity By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent The power of the sun is to be recreated in a new £1 billion science project which aims to provide a clean and almost limitless source of energy. British scientists will this week begin work to create a nuclear fusion reactor, which will use the same powerful reactions that take place in the Sun to provide energy and, ultimately, electricity. Scientists have previously only been able to replicate the reaction inside hydrogen bombs. Now, however, they believe they are on the verge of achieving controlled fusion in a laboratory for the first time. Laser beams with enough power to light up every home in Britain for a few microseconds will be used to heat up the nuclear fuel to millions of degrees centigrade in order to trigger the reaction.
