[Vo]:Is a Bulletproof E-Cat Report Possible?

2014-05-15 Thread Kevin O'Malley
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Is a Bulletproof E-Cat Report Possible?
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 Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics a reader told Andrea Rossi that in
some ways he was his own worst enemy because he has left open the door
where his harshest critics can criticize him. He mentioned specifically
that the Levi et. al report left open a question about a hidden source of
DC power because of the lack of control over input power. Rossi responded
by explaining how the current testers have made modifications based on
criticisms of the last report:

“The issue of the lack of control of the direct current arrived into the
reactor’s resistances is true, as we have seen, but nobody has thought ,
when the report has been written, to check this point, that was totally out
of the minds of all, when the test protocol has been made. As you surely
know ( I can see that you have some source of information) new report is in
preparation, for a long run test, and this time the Professors of the Third
Independent Party have taken advantage of the experience of the last year
test, and have considered all the observations made after the test of 2013
from all the Readers of the report that made comments about it and
criticized it. The issue of the measurement of the direct current, for
example, has beet taken in strong consideration, as well as many other
particulars. Two factors have strongly improved the test made this year:
the experience that the Professors made in 2013 and meditated upon for 1
year in the particulars, also studying all the critics they received, and
the length of the test, that allowed a deep knowledge of the operation.
Another important factor of difference is the fact that the test has been
made in a neutral laboratory, not of our property, where the energy source
( PLUG) was not of ours and the Professors made the set up from the plug to
the control box.”

It seems then that there have been important modifications made to the test
setup in the current regimen, and one would expect the testers will have,
as far is reasonably possible, eliminated the possibility for people to
make accusations that the E-Cat is receiving some kind of hidden power
source.

The last test was done on Rossi’s own premises — this one is apparently in
a neutral location — and as Rossi has mentioned above, the testers have
been involved in constructing the experimental setup. It all sounds very
positive to me, and I am expecting this to be a much improved test compared
to the first one.

But my question here is, regardless of how careful the testers are — is it
possible to create a really bulletproof test that will silence the critics?
I would like to think, yes — but my life experience tells me no. It seems
that there is usually a segment of critics in all fields of life who will
find one way or another to try to justify their position, and I suspect
this will be the case with the E-Cat report.

I think it is great that the ‘professors’, have been taking the objections
raised about last year’s test seriously. I think it will lead to a more
convincing test — and my hope is that many people will find it convincing
enough to start to take the E-Cat more seriously, and that many people will
climb off the fence following the publication of this report (assuming it’s
positive). But I won’t be surprised if the harshest critics find some other
justification to carry on their opposition and raise objections. In the end
I don’t think that matters very much — because eventually I expect that
working E-Cats will be demonstrated to work well in the real world, but
until them, I am not expecting that all the critics will be silenced.


Re: [Vo]:Is a Bulletproof E-Cat Report Possible?

2014-05-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com quotes someone (I think):

 It seems then that there have been important modifications made to the
 test setup in the current regimen, and one would expect the testers will
 have, as far is reasonably possible, eliminated the possibility for people
 to make accusations that the E-Cat is receiving some kind of hidden power
 source.

This is what I have heard. As I mentioned the other day, the only weakness
in the previous test was in input power measurement. Levi et al. told me
and others they would improve that.

I did not think it was a serious problem but any measurement can be
improved.

It sure is taking a long time, isn't it? They have no sense of urgency.

But my question here is, regardless of how careful the testers are — is it
 possible to create a really bulletproof test that will silence the critics?

No, it is not possible. Look at the history of aviation and other
innovations and you will see this is impossible.  It is a futile waste of
time. As late as 1912 aviators in the U.S. who showed in small cities with
airplanes in packing crates were arrested, beaten up, and driven out of
town because people thought it was impossible to fly. They assumed the
aviators were con-men. This was after Congress gave the Wrights gold
medals. The newspapers were full of stories of aviation back then, but many
people assumed the stories were a gigantic hoax designed to sell
newspapers. They resembled people today who assume the moon landings were
faked, 9/11 was a conspiracy, global warming is fake and so on. Such people
can never be persuaded. It is a waste of time trying to persuade them.

The tests will fail to move no-nothing, ignorant people. They will also
fail to persuade anyone at the DoE, Scientific American, the APS, the
Washington Post or Wikipedia. Those people have gone too far in opposition.
They cannot turn back. Nothing short of worldwide commercial sales of
millions of units will persuade them.

However, a good test from ELFORSK will persuade many sensible people. It
will bring money into the field. It will be a tremendous help. It will do a
lot of good. That fact that it will not persuade the so-called skeptics
is unimportant. We do not need to persuade them. We should ignore them. We
let them set the agenda far too long.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Is a Bulletproof E-Cat Report Possible?

2014-05-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 It sure is taking a long time, isn't it? They have no sense of urgency.

I am curious if there is a need for a sense of urgency for the
commercialization of the product.  It seems that Darden isn't awaiting
any results if he is advancing the implementation in China.

My guess is the test is for all the skeptics and the advancement of
science.  Of course, investors are interested; but, ahem, they are
invested already, right?