Re: [Vo]:"Missing" (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?

[Harvey Norris]

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/MoonModel_F04.pdf    
Article goes into some molecular magnetism theories, see ending of paper in 
section 4.Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ 


 On Saturday, July 11, 2015 2:58 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
   

 This experiment shows what happens when a lot of matter is packed into a small 
volume of space. This situation is the play ground of quantum mechanics where 
its weird nature comes to the fore and the uncertainty principle is enhanced. 
There is a increase in the superposition of particles and the entanglement of 
their properties. It took science 50 years to determine the nuclear spin of 
Pu239 because of the changing nature of the makeup of the Pu239 nucleus.
In this highly condensed state of matter, protons and neutrons are the same 
particle in a superposition. The properties of the particles that compile the 
nucleus behave as if they were waves in the ocean. These variations in spin, 
charge, and energies are reflected in the behavior of the electrons that orbit 
the nucleus.
This is why the theories of Norman D. Cook and A. Rossi do not correspond to 
the real quantum mechanical nature of the nucleus. Protons and neutrons are not 
cue balls that stay put in a fixed location in space. These particles are 
sometimes protons and sometimes neutrons and oftentimes both protons and 
neutrons together. The more mass that is packed into a given volume of space, 
the weirder things get. 
The research recently done in heavy element collisions show that the combined 
nucleus behaves like a perfect liquid. So much matter is packed into a suxh a 
small volume that matter becomes a soup where all particles lose there 
individuality.             
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

This research “could have” relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be 
irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is merely 
the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine 
Jhttp://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.htmlOne aspect of 
this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than merely explaining 
a feature of the element plutonium) – and it can be stated this way: there is a 
parameter called “hidden magnetic flux” which is a rapid natural oscillation at 
the atomic or atomic crystal structure level; and this rapid oscillation could 
be a feature of a number of elements and alloys, besides plutonium, including 
mu metals. For instance, a broader interpretation of this R&D could (in the 
future) help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux… 
and more.Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, 
could be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In 
short, the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon 
in play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of 
hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR.The magnetic fluctuations (of 
the present research) are a result of differing numbers of electrons in 
plutonium's valence shell, which valence electron count is seen to CHANGE 
rapidly (this is heretofore unique in physics). Conventional EM theory, which 
has seldom been wrong, predicted long ago that the element plutonium should 
have strong magnetic ordering, like iron. However, no evidence for that 
magnetic ordering has been found until 70 years later – and only recently has 
plutonium's "missing" magnetism been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW – 
it is temporary and oscillating without external input. This could be the kind 
of breakthrough in understanding of a number of unrelated systems.Using neutron 
scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating magnetism was 
witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux, making it nearly 
impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic locally. This has 
potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen at the atomic level, 
and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there could easily be other 
alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing valence) and which would 
then be poised to moderate the movement of dissolved atomic hydrogen. For 
instance, nickel has a known but rarely encountered feature of several 
transition metals – hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is not 
oscillating (normally) ... except… perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, 
where the crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of 
valence on a short time scale.It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes 
from its molecular state, H2, to its atomic state, it also goes from 
diamagnetic repulsion to extreme susceptibility. This could provide rapid 
acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the sub-nanometer geometry, a 
proton with a single electron (aligned) has a 12.5 Tesla equivalent magne

Re: [Vo]:"Missing" (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?

[Axil Axil]

This experiment shows what happens when a lot of matter is packed into a
small volume of space. This situation is the play ground of quantum
mechanics where its weird nature comes to the fore and the uncertainty
principle is enhanced. There is a increase in the superposition of
particles and the entanglement of their properties. It took science 50
years to determine the nuclear spin of Pu239 because of the changing nature
of the makeup of the Pu239 nucleus.

In this highly condensed state of matter, protons and neutrons are the same
particle in a superposition. The properties of the particles that compile
the nucleus behave as if they were waves in the ocean. These variations in
spin, charge, and energies are reflected in the behavior of the electrons
that orbit the nucleus.

This is why the theories of Norman D. Cook and A. Rossi do not correspond
to the real quantum mechanical nature of the nucleus. Protons and neutrons
are not cue balls that stay put in a fixed location in space. These
particles are sometimes protons and sometimes neutrons and oftentimes both
protons and neutrons together. The more mass that is packed into a given
volume of space, the weirder things get.

The research recently done in heavy element collisions show that the
combined nucleus behaves like a perfect liquid. So much matter is packed
into a suxh a small volume that matter becomes a soup where all particles
lose there individuality.


On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  This research “could have” relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be
> irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is
> merely the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine J
>
> *http://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.html*
> 
>
> One aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than
> merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) – and it can be
> stated this way: there is a parameter called “hidden magnetic flux” which
> is a rapid natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure
> level; and this rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements
> and alloys, besides plutonium, including mu metals.
>
> For instance, a broader interpretation of this R&D could (in the future)
> help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux…
> and more.
>
> Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input,
> could be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In
> short, the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon
> in play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic
> relationship of hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR.
>
> The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of differ
> ing numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence
> electron count is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in
> physics). Conventional EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted
> long ago that the element plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering,
> like iron. However, no evidence for that magnetic ordering has been found 
> until
> 70 years later – and only recently has plutonium's "missing" magnetism
> been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW – it is temporary and os
> cillating without external input. This could be the kind of breakthrough
> in understanding of a number of unrelated systems.
>
> Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements
> fluctuating magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant
> state of flux, making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level,
> but very energetic locally. This has potential implications for LENR
> since the effect is seen at the atomic level, and although plutonium is not
> a proton conductor, there could easily be other alloys which react in a
> similar way to Pu (changing valence) and which would then be poised to
> moderate the movement of dissolved atomic hydrogen. For instance, nickel
> has a known but rarely encountered feature of several transition metals –
> hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is not oscillating
> (normally) ... except… perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, where the
> crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of valence on
> a short time scale.
>
> It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state,
> H2, to its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to
> extreme susceptibility.
>
> This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At
> the sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron (aligned) has
> a 12.5 Tesla equivalent magnetic field… consequentially, acceleration
> gradients could be enormous.
>
> Do I get a “mulligan”, if this speculation is wrong? Will Janoschek
> include me on the paper if it is correct?
>
>

Re: [Vo]:"Missing" (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?

[Bob Cook]

"Missing" (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?
Jones--

No Mulligans on the back nine.  I doubt you will be included—maybe on his 
fourth follow-on paper.

Was it all isotopes of Pu that showed the state of flux?   I wonder how neutron 
scattering examination can observe oscillations without causing them   Pu is 
pretty unstable under neutron exposure.  

Bob Cook 
From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 7:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:"Missing" (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?

This research “could have” relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be 
irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is merely 
the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine J

http://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.html

One aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than 
merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) – and it can be stated 
this way: there is a parameter called “hidden magnetic flux” which is a rapid 
natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure level; and this 
rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements and alloys, 
besides plutonium, including mu metals. 

For instance, a broader interpretation of this R&D could (in the future) help 
explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux… and more.

Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, could be 
ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In short, the 
present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon in play, 
which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of hydrogen 
to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR.

The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of differing 
numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence electron count 
is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in physics). Conventional 
EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted long ago that the element 
plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering, like iron. However, no evidence 
for that magnetic ordering has been found until 70 years later – and only 
recently has plutonium's "missing" magnetism been resolved as an internal 
oscillation. IOW – it is temporary and oscillating without external input. This 
could be the kind of breakthrough in understanding of a number of unrelated 
systems.

Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating 
magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux, 
making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic 
locally. This has potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen at 
the atomic level, and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there could 
easily be other alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing valence) 
and which would then be poised to moderate the movement of dissolved atomic 
hydrogen. For instance, nickel has a known but rarely encountered feature of 
several transition metals – hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is 
not oscillating (normally) ... except… perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, 
where the crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of 
valence on a short time scale.

It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state, H2, to 
its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to extreme 
susceptibility. 

This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the 
sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron (aligned) has a 12.5 
Tesla equivalent magnetic field… consequentially, acceleration gradients could 
be enormous.


Do I get a “mulligan”, if this speculation is wrong? Will Janoschek include me 
on the paper if it is correct? 

[Vo]:"Missing" (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?

[Jones Beene]

This research "could have" relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be
irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is
merely the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine :-)

http://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.html

One aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than
merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) - and it can be stated
this way: there is a parameter called "hidden magnetic flux" which is a
rapid natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure level;
and this rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements and
alloys, besides plutonium, including mu metals. 

For instance, a broader interpretation of this R&D could (in the future)
help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux. and
more.

Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, could
be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In short,
the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon in
play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of
hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR.

The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of
differing numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence
electron count is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in
physics). Conventional EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted
long ago that the element plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering,
like iron. However, no evidence for that magnetic ordering has been found
until 70 years later - and only recently has plutonium's "missing" magnetism
been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW - it is temporary and
oscillating without external input. This could be the kind of breakthrough
in understanding of a number of unrelated systems.

Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating
magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux,
making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic
locally. This has potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen
at the atomic level, and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there
could easily be other alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing
valence) and which would then be poised to moderate the movement of
dissolved atomic hydrogen. For instance, nickel has a known but rarely
encountered feature of several transition metals - hexavalency. However, the
hexavalency of nickel is not oscillating (normally) ... except. perhaps one
can imagine a nickel alloy, where the crystal structure is ideal to promote
an oscillating change of valence on a short time scale.

It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state, H2,
to its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to extreme
susceptibility. 

This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the
sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron (aligned) has a 12.5
Tesla equivalent magnetic field. consequentially, acceleration gradients
could be enormous.

Do I get a "mulligan", if this speculation is wrong? Will Janoschek include
me on the paper if it is correct?