Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:37:46 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] >-Original Message- >From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson > >> BTW, have you been able to discern anything interesting from the BLP CIHT >> patent? I seem to recall in that your last comment on the matter you had not >> uncovered anything of particular interest. > > >I was hoping that Robin, Anthony or one of the other dedicated hydrino experts >would take this golden opportunity to elucidate this absurdly intimidating >document for the "rest of us" mortals. Mills seems to have included the kitchen sink. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
I'm sorry, but how does Stremmenos' letter ruin Rossi's chances of obtaining damages? Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 13, 2011, at 15:42, "Jones Beene" wrote: > Thanks, Akira ... More drama indeed! Move over, James Bond there is new > poker-faced gambler in town. > > This is looking almost like financial suicide on Rossi's part (assuming DGT > is not bluffing). AR has made all the wrong strategic moves and with > mind-boggling naiveté. In contrast, the low key and well-worded response from > DGT is superbly crafted from a legal standpoint, whereas everything coming > from the Rossi camp is self-inflicted damage. > > Could Stemmenos end up being a double-agent or "plant" from Defkalion, whose > main function has been to cleverly and completely eliminate any chance of > Rossi obtaining damages for breach of contract? If so, Stemmenos has > performed admirably. > > It is easily possible that DGT may NOT have had money problems after all, but > nevertheless desperately wanted to wiggle their way out of an expensive 100 > million Euro contract and when Rossi could not meet a milestone, they say an > opening. Apparently DGT also discovered an alternative technology to E-Cat - > and they accomplished this in a most impressive fashion by tricking Rossi > into believing that he still had the upper hand, since he had never disclosed > the secret ... which may not have been so valuable, after all. > > Apparently DGT discovered either the secret catalyst itself, or more likely a > substitute, and on their own initiative; and Rossi refuses to understand > this. Rossi has been played. He apparently even wants to hire away the > scientist who found the alternative process. Pity. > > IMO - the past several months may have cost Rossi most of the value of > whatever he had to begin with, in terms of value of IP - even if we discount > the ludicrous and unenforceable patent. He has been set-up in such an > artistic fashion by his opponents that he is still in the dark just as Act > 111 is nearly complete ... and miraculously does not realize that he (EFA, > Leonardo, Ampenergo, etc) and NOT his former associates violated the terms of > the agreement - and therefore cannot collect either Royalties or the huge > lump sum payment, while at the same time allowing DGT to compete worldwide > (instead of just that valuable Balkan market :) > > ... and now we learn DGT may compete with what is claimed to be a superior > product. Plus, DGT can now redirect that 100 million Euro into a factory and > distribution network of their own. They have seem to have pulled off a > real-life Casino Royale. > > Of course, this conclusion is valid only if DGT has indeed duplicated the > technology successfully. > > Given the circumstances, it seems at least arguable that they have done this, > and that Stemmenos may have been their ace-in-the-hole, so to speak. > > > -Original Message- > From: Akira Shirakawa > A translation has been posted today on 22passi instead: > > http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/stremmenos-stance-on-defkalion-gts-10.html > > Cheers, > S.A. > > >
Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
Understanding the underlying economics of how many consumer products (like the iPad) are manufactured is going to be a difficult and soul-searching process for most Americans. This probably goes for the entire developed world as well. As is becoming obvious to most of us that care to dig a little into the matter, the dirty little secret behind why many consumer products are "cheap" is because they were assembled by hoards individuals who are being paid wages that are a fraction of what it would cost to assemble if they were assembled within our own affluent borders. An irony in all of this is the fact that for many of these individuals the sub-standard wages (at least from our perspective) for which they are being paid is probably better than what they could get anywhere else in their own country. This, of course, does not in any way, shape, or form condone the fact that many of these workers are being exploited in reprehensible ways by their employer, and perhaps by their own government as well. For a very long time economists and policy makers have felt obligated to grapple with the following conundrum: ONE: Should developed countries continue to assemble consumer products outside of their borders in less developed economies, in places where labor is a fraction of what it would cost if assembled domestically in order to make the products cheaper, so that in theory more of "us" in the developed world can afford to buy them. Or TWO... do the developed countries endeavor to rehire assembly workers within their own borders at significantly higher wagers, which in turn boosts the price of the product, which in theory means less of "us" in the developed countries can afford to buy them. It always seemed to be a trade off. But then, as books like "Lights in The Tunnel" by Martin Ford are making clear, the above age-old conundrum may soon no longer apply anymore. Advances in automation, robotics, and AI may sooner than we realize render it uneconomical to hire workers in even the cheapest underdeveloped countries - because it's cheaper to "hire" a robot do it. How each country's currency will continue to get evenly and fairly distributed throughout their borders (in order to keep consumer-based economies running), where more and more jobs are slowing being taken over by robots and AI systems, is going to be a major task future governments are going to have to confront head on. Refusing to grapple with it will do us all in. PS: I also read Martin Ford's book "Lights in the Tunnel" on my brand new iPAD2. Mr. Rothwell was the individual who first brought the book to my attention. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
Jouni Valkonen wrote: This certainly off topic, but Greece economy would not be cured, because mining is capital intensive production and thus it does not help much the sick market economy of Greece. Yes. Mineral wealth is a curse. Places like Saudi Arabia and Texas end up with dysfunctional economies because of it. This kind of methods should be utilised also in all other economic sectors because less and less wealth is returned to consumers via incomes of workers, because work is done by robots and Chinese low paid labour force (I.e. part time slaves). This is problematic for market economy, because it means that consumers have less purchasing power to direct production to satisfy demand. Therefore less iPads are produced. This is even more off-topic, but when you talk about iPads the people assembling them are more like full-time slaves, Or what we used to call wage-slaves. See: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2011/10/the_agony_and_the_ecstasy_of_steve_jobs_reviewed_.html Someone named Daisey visited the manufacturing plant, Foxconn Inc. QUOTE: "Despite dire risk (an AP photographer caught taking pictures outside Foxconn had recently been detained and beaten for two days before being released to his embassy), Daisey managed to interview dozens of these workers. He interviewed girls as young as 12 who worked crushing hours; he interviewed a man whose hand had been twisted into a claw from overuse; he interviewed a woman who had been blacklisted merely for requesting overtime pay." - Jed
Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
Roarty, Francis X wrote: > Even sadder for Greece - their nickel deposits > could cure their bankrupt economy > This certainly off topic, but Greece economy would not be cured, because mining is capital intensive production and thus it does not help much the sick market economy of Greece. There should be some better means to deposit the wealth produced by nickel mining into pockets of Greek consumers. But usually people are violently opposing a drastic means such as basic income. In Alaska they are paying the wealth produced by oil as a basic income for each citizen. This kind of methods should be utilised also in all other economic sectors because less and less wealth is returned to consumers via incomes of workers, because work is done by robots and Chinese low paid labour force (I.e. part time slaves). This is problematic for market economy, because it means that consumers have less purchasing power to direct production to satisfy demand. Therefore less iPads are produced. —Jouni Ps. I read on last week Martin Ford's book "The Lights in the Tunnel" with my brand new iPad2. I will recommend the book (just $7 in Kindle Store) and also tablet computers are nice.
RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
Even sadder for Greece - their nickel deposits could cure their bankrupt economy -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT The sad thing about the conflict between DGT and Rossi is that even if they BOTH had all the resources necessary to mass produce the E-Cat, if they shared their knowledge with each other, the demand is so great that they BOTH could run the manufacturing plants 24/7 and make billions... there is more than enough demand to go around... for numerous manufacturers. -mark
RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
The sad thing about the conflict between DGT and Rossi is that even if they BOTH had all the resources necessary to mass produce the E-Cat, if they shared their knowledge with each other, the demand is so great that they BOTH could run the manufacturing plants 24/7 and make billions... there is more than enough demand to go around... for numerous manufacturers. -mark
RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
-Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson > BTW, have you been able to discern anything interesting from the BLP CIHT > patent? I seem to recall in that your last comment on the matter you had not > uncovered anything of particular interest. I was hoping that Robin, Anthony or one of the other dedicated hydrino experts would take this golden opportunity to elucidate this absurdly intimidating document for the "rest of us" mortals. I can see why RM has withdrawn the US version of this IP from USPTO before the 18 months. Our patent office, unlike the Europeans, frowns on the obfuscation of important details by burying them in a mountain of BS. He has been chastised for this 3rd-world patent strategy before, but apparently thinks the Euros will tolerate it and he can back-door the US coverage. Jones
RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
>From Jones ... > Of course, this conclusion is valid only if DGT has indeed duplicated > the technology successfully. U sure have a knack for generating fertile speculation. BTW, have you been able to discern anything interesting from the BLP CIHT patent? I seem to recall in that your last comment on the matter you had not uncovered anything of particular interest. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Given the circumstances, it seems at least arguable that they have done this, > and that Stemmenos may have been their ace-in-the-hole, so to speak. Ace? Hole? LOL! And from a JD. :-) T
RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT
Thanks, Akira ... More drama indeed! Move over, James Bond there is new poker-faced gambler in town. This is looking almost like financial suicide on Rossi's part (assuming DGT is not bluffing). AR has made all the wrong strategic moves and with mind-boggling naiveté. In contrast, the low key and well-worded response from DGT is superbly crafted from a legal standpoint, whereas everything coming from the Rossi camp is self-inflicted damage. Could Stemmenos end up being a double-agent or "plant" from Defkalion, whose main function has been to cleverly and completely eliminate any chance of Rossi obtaining damages for breach of contract? If so, Stemmenos has performed admirably. It is easily possible that DGT may NOT have had money problems after all, but nevertheless desperately wanted to wiggle their way out of an expensive 100 million Euro contract and when Rossi could not meet a milestone, they say an opening. Apparently DGT also discovered an alternative technology to E-Cat - and they accomplished this in a most impressive fashion by tricking Rossi into believing that he still had the upper hand, since he had never disclosed the secret ... which may not have been so valuable, after all. Apparently DGT discovered either the secret catalyst itself, or more likely a substitute, and on their own initiative; and Rossi refuses to understand this. Rossi has been played. He apparently even wants to hire away the scientist who found the alternative process. Pity. IMO - the past several months may have cost Rossi most of the value of whatever he had to begin with, in terms of value of IP - even if we discount the ludicrous and unenforceable patent. He has been set-up in such an artistic fashion by his opponents that he is still in the dark just as Act 111 is nearly complete ... and miraculously does not realize that he (EFA, Leonardo, Ampenergo, etc) and NOT his former associates violated the terms of the agreement - and therefore cannot collect either Royalties or the huge lump sum payment, while at the same time allowing DGT to compete worldwide (instead of just that valuable Balkan market :) ... and now we learn DGT may compete with what is claimed to be a superior product. Plus, DGT can now redirect that 100 million Euro into a factory and distribution network of their own. They have seem to have pulled off a real-life Casino Royale. Of course, this conclusion is valid only if DGT has indeed duplicated the technology successfully. Given the circumstances, it seems at least arguable that they have done this, and that Stemmenos may have been their ace-in-the-hole, so to speak. -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa A translation has been posted today on 22passi instead: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/10/stremmenos-stance-on-defkalion-gts-10.html Cheers, S.A.
