Re: [Vo]:Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space

2008-09-26 Thread John Fields
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:02:06 -0800, you wrote:


On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:


  Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
  By Clara Moskowitz
  Staff Writer
  posted: 23 September 2008
  12:46 pm ET


 As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing
 enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered.

 Patches of matter in the universe seem to be moving at very high
 speeds and in a uniform direction that can't be explained by any of
 the known gravitational forces in the observable universe.
 Astronomers are calling the phenomenon dark flow.

 The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable
 universe, researchers conclude.


Another alternative explanation is that the stuff is being *pushed*  
by an invisible clump of negative gravitational charge matter that is  
located in the visible part of the universe.

---
Is there any evidence of that?

A hypothesis which I posited here, a couple of years or so ago,
conjectured that there was no big bang but, instead, a cavitation event
which occurred in an infinite or nearly infinitely massive Universe
which created our universe; a bubble surrounded by a huge block of Swiss
cheese, the Universe, for want of a better analogy.

If my hypothesis is correct, the accelerating red shift of the galaxies
receding toward the wall can be easily accounted for by the inverse
square law increasing attraction as the matter in our universe hurtles
toward the wall.

JF



[Vo]:Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space

2008-09-25 Thread Harry Veeder

  Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space 
  By Clara Moskowitz
  Staff Writer
  posted: 23 September 2008
  12:46 pm ET
 
 
 As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing 
 enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered.
 
 Patches of matter in the universe seem to be moving at very high 
 speeds and in a uniform direction that can't be explained by any of 
 the known gravitational forces in the observable universe. 
 Astronomers are calling the phenomenon dark flow.
 
 The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable 
 universe, researchers conclude.
 
 When scientists talk about the observable universe, they don't just 
 mean as far out as the eye, or even the most powerful telescope, 
 can see. In fact there's a fundamental limit to how much of the 
 universe we could ever observe, no matter how advanced our visual 
 instruments. The universe is thought to have formed about 13.7 
 billion years ago. So even if light started travelling toward us 
 immediately after the Big Bang, the farthest it could ever get is 
 13.7 billion light-years in distance. There may be parts of the 
 universe that are farther away (we can't know how big the whole 
 universe is), but we can't see farther than light could travel over 
 the entire age of the universe.
 
 Mysterious motions
 
 Scientists discovered the flow by studying some of the largest 
 structures in the cosmos: giant clusters of galaxies. These 
 clusters are conglomerations of about a thousand galaxies, as well 
 as very hot gas which emits X-rays. By observing the interaction of 
 the X-rays with the cosmic microwave background (CMB), which is 
 leftover radiation from the Big Bang, scientists can study the 
 movement of clusters.
 
 The X-rays scatter photons in the CMB, shifting its temperature in 
 an effect known as the kinematic Sunyaev-Zel'dovich (SZ) effect. 
 This effect had not been observed as a result of galaxy clusters 
 before, but a team of researchers led by Alexander Kashlinsky, an 
 astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, 
 Md., found it when they studied a huge catalogue of 700 clusters, 
 reaching out up to 6 billion light-years, or half the universe 
 away. They compared this catalogue to the map of the CMB taken by 
 NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) satellite.
 
 They discovered that the clusters were moving nearly 2 million mph 
 (3.2 million kph) toward a region in the sky between the 
 constellations of Centaurus and Vela. This motion is different from 
 the outward expansion of the universe (which is accelerated by the 
 force called dark energy).
 
 We found a very significant velocity, and furthermore, this 
 velocity does not decrease with distance, as far as we can 
 measure, Kashlinsky told SPACE.com. The matter in the observable 
 universe just cannot produce the flow we measure.
 
 Inflationary bubble
 
 The scientists deduced that whatever is driving the movements of 
 the clusters must lie beyond the known universe.
 
 A theory called inflation posits that the universe we see is just a 
 small bubble of space-time that got rapidly expanded after the Big 
 Bang. There could be other parts of the cosmos beyond this bubble 
 that we cannot see.
 
 In these regions, space-time might be very different, and likely 
 doesn't contain stars and galaxies (which only formed because of 
 the particular density pattern of mass in our bubble). It could 
 include giant, massive structures much larger than anything in our 
 own observable universe. These structures are what researchers 
 suspect are tugging on the galaxy clusters, causing the dark flow.
 
 The structures responsible for this motion have been pushed so far 
 away by inflation, I would guesstimate they may be hundreds of 
 billions of light years away, that we cannot see even with the 
 deepest telescopes because the light emitted there could not have 
 reached us in the age of the universe, Kashlinsky said in a 
 telephone interview. Most likely to create such a coherent flow 
 they would have to be some very strange structures, maybe some 
 warped space time. But this is just pure speculation.
 
 Surprising find
 
 Though inflation theory forecasts many odd facets of the distant 
 universe, not many scientists predicted the dark flow.
 
 It was greatly surprising to us and I suspect to everyone else, 
 Kashlinsky said. For some particular models of inflation you would 
 expect these kinds of structures, and there were some suggestions 
 in the literature that were not taken seriously I think until now.
 
 The discovery could help scientists probe what happened to the 
 universe before inflation, and what's going on in those 
 inaccessible realms we cannot see. 
 
 The researchers detail their findings in the Oct. 20 issue of the 
 journal Astrophysical Journal Letters.
 



Re: [Vo]:Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space

2008-09-25 Thread Horace Heffner


On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:




 Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
 By Clara Moskowitz
 Staff Writer
 posted: 23 September 2008
 12:46 pm ET


As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing
enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered.

Patches of matter in the universe seem to be moving at very high
speeds and in a uniform direction that can't be explained by any of
the known gravitational forces in the observable universe.
Astronomers are calling the phenomenon dark flow.

The stuff that's pulling this matter must be outside the observable
universe, researchers conclude.



Another alternative explanation is that the stuff is being *pushed*  
by an invisible clump of negative gravitational charge matter that is  
located in the visible part of the universe.



Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






Re: [Vo]:Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space

2008-09-25 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:02:06 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Another alternative explanation is that the stuff is being *pushed*  
by an invisible clump of negative gravitational charge matter that is  
located in the visible part of the universe.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[snip]
...or perhaps is just has intrinsic momentum left over from the creation of the
Universe? Is it known to be accelerating? ...or perhaps they simply got it
wrong, and the flow doesn't even exist? ...or maybe there really is an aether,
and these galaxies got caught up in a stream? (IOW maybe gravity is not the
motivating force - if there even is one).

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]