Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Yes From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland Dennis wrote: That was Dennis Letts - it was Pd on Au for codep work and for coupling the red lasers. With heavy water, right? The gold was just the substrate. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Dennis wrote: That was Dennis Letts - it was Pd on Au for codep work and for coupling the red lasers. With heavy water, right? The gold was just the substrate. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
This is probably a step above hoax - more likely a case of severely underpaid scientists in Russia, etc. who are desperate to move West where the average pay for their skill set is four times higher. They may have even discovered a slight anomaly and cloaked it in a guise that will not become apparent until funds have changed hands. This kind of disinformation-for-dollars ploy surfaced during the "monopole" false-alarm of a few years ago. Top Russian scientists, published in reputable journals, were essentially caught fabricating data in an attempt to get a ticket out of there. It worked for a few of them. I can't say that I'm completely unsympathetic in a way - if there is anything of lasting value that can come out of it. Sadly, usually there is nothing other than whatever these guys can accomplish in their new life in the West. Other than the EVO connection Robin mentions, this one looks incredulous and over the line - towards scam. IF any such direct conversion reactor produces more electricity than it uses, then why not close the loop and leave no doubt? Doh. But even if the thing is not based on good data - something may come out of the emphasis on zirconia - as it does seem to have LENR properties that are useful. Jones -- From: Dennis > I wonder when I see the nanosec pulses - a lot of room to get the input power wrong and the production of Pd and Ir from Zr?? -- From: "Harry Veeder" > Could it be a hoax?
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
In reply to Dennis's message of Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:14:03 -0600: Hi, [snip] >I wonder when I see the nanosec pulses - a lot of room to get the input >power wrong >and the production of Pd and Ir from Zr?? > >Dennis C If it's based on EV fusion, then you can expect fusion of all sorts of nuclei with one another because it's essentially an accelerator based process. It's just an extremely compact and efficient type of accelerator. The reactions may be fusion/fission reactions, where multiple atoms are flung together into a large super atom that then fissions into multiple pieces in such way that there is a net energy release. (Some of the pieces would be heavier than the original atoms, and some lighter.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:45:57 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: > >http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Poland/ > >- Jed From reading the patent, this sounds a lot like fusion resulting from Ken Shoulders "EV". (very high current density sparks). (Nano second pulses would allow for very high current density for a short period of time.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
That was Dennis Letts - it was Pd on Au for codep work and for coupling the red lasers. Dennis C From: Peter Gluck Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:37 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland Dera Jed I will ask him. If I remember well, Dennis Cravens had some cathodes with gold, don't know the structure (Pd covered with a layer of gold?) Not sure about it. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Not to speak for others, let me report that Ed Storms thinks this guy is probably nuts. Peter: Ask Piantelli what he thinks of Au-H. Ohmori ran hundreds of thin gold samples and observed heat in many cases. The samples were small and it wasn't much heat. He did the cleanest electrochemistry I have ever seen. He showed me used samples and I thought they were virgin gold straight out the aqua regia bath. No tarnish at all. As I recall he used an extra cathode, a "sacrificial cathode" I believe it is called, which lets you do the experiment without sacrificing the virgin. As it were. I do not know anyone else who has tested gold. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
I wonder when I see the nanosec pulses - a lot of room to get the input power wrong and the production of Pd and Ir from Zr?? Dennis C -- From: "Harry Veeder" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 2:36 PM To: Subject: Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland - Original Message From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 3:27:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland Not to speak for others, let me report that Ed Storms thinks this guy is probably nuts. Could it be a hoax? Harry
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> > Could it be a hoax? I don't know, but I am surprised that Mark Goldes hasn't had anything to add. Steorn is still in there, sort of, implying, on their 'steornofficial' twitter account, that they have a 3kw heater that you can hold in your hand; and saying that they will release 'info' on a 15kw heater within 4 weeks.
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
- Original Message > From: Jed Rothwell > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 3:27:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland > > Not to speak for others, let me report that Ed Storms thinks this guy is >probably nuts. Could it be a hoax? Harry
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I clicked the "official website" link on the PESN page http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bolotov's_Zirconium_Cold_Fusion hoping to find more information about the inventor. However its the homepage of Waldemar who refers to Bolotov's invention as "reactor thermal" which you can find by clicking "bids and proposals" on Waldemar home page. Harry From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 1:45:57 PM Subject: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: > >http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Poland/ > > >- Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Dera Jed I will ask him. If I remember well, Dennis Cravens had some cathodes with gold, don't know the structure (Pd covered with a layer of gold?) Not sure about it. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Not to speak for others, let me report that Ed Storms thinks this guy is > probably nuts. > > Peter: Ask Piantelli what he thinks of Au-H. Ohmori ran hundreds of thin > gold samples and observed heat in many cases. The samples were small and it > wasn't much heat. He did the cleanest electrochemistry I have ever seen. He > showed me used samples and I thought they were virgin gold straight out the > aqua regia bath. No tarnish at all. As I recall he used an extra cathode, a > "sacrificial cathode" I believe it is called, which lets you do the > experiment without sacrificing the virgin. As it were. > > I do not know anyone else who has tested gold. > > - Jed > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
I should say Ohmori ran dozens of Au cathodes. Maybe no hundreds. He had them in an array of small transparent plastic boxes, like the kind you might keep beads in. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Not to speak for others, let me report that Ed Storms thinks this guy is probably nuts. Peter: Ask Piantelli what he thinks of Au-H. Ohmori ran hundreds of thin gold samples and observed heat in many cases. The samples were small and it wasn't much heat. He did the cleanest electrochemistry I have ever seen. He showed me used samples and I thought they were virgin gold straight out the aqua regia bath. No tarnish at all. As I recall he used an extra cathode, a "sacrificial cathode" I believe it is called, which lets you do the experiment without sacrificing the virgin. As it were. I do not know anyone else who has tested gold. - Jed
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>From Peter, > I have also found this, have not the slightest idea if hydrogen is present > or not. I will try to find out the documents in the original languages- I > have a long experience in collaboration with Russian and Ukrainian > inventors- YUSMAR, INTERENERGORESURS etc. > If there is hydrogen present, will they tell? Maybe yes, maybe no. Thank you Peter! Please keep us informed. I was also wondering the same thing that Jones just expressed. BTW: Jones, "election" - "electron"... what's a couple of jumbled letters to a dyslexic like me! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
I have also found this, have not the slightest idea if hydrogen is present or not. I will try to find out the documents in the original languages- I have a long experience in collaboration with Russian and Ukrainian inventors- YUSMAR, INTERENERGORESURS etc. If there is hydrogen present, will they tell? Maybe yes, maybe no. Peter On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Peter, > > > > The Polish device seems not to involve hydrogen, no? > > > > There is talk of an “election” or fractional electron at least in the PESN > write-up > > > > I was in the process of trying to find something serious on this topic > (aside from the FQHQ) and this turned up > > > > http://benevolententerprises.org/books/adv%20e%20phys.pdf > > > > Jones > > > > > > *From:* Peter Gluck > > > > A predictable event. In a message, I have received yesterday from > Piantelli- re his LENR ideas (I am just translating it), he wrote inter > alia: > > Why Pd is functioning badly? > > The answer is in the electronic conformation of Pd which compared to that > of Nickel is more compact and therefore requires a higher kinetic energy for > H- to overcome the greater energetic gap. > > Because we cannot go beyond a certain temperature, few H- ions have a > sufficient energy (The cluster nanostructures are deteriorated at much lower > temperatures than the bulk metal) > > The outer shell of electrons is much compact for Pd and more soft and this > is the difference between the two metals*. ( Zr works better than Pd)* > > For example, based on the electronic conformation, it is sure that Cu, Ag, > and Pt work even worse. Ni and many other transition metals have a more > favorable conformation. I intend to expand later this very important concept > closely related to the explanation of the anomalous phenomena, with the > calculations and data I have in my possession" > > As I wrote in my small joke "NEW ENERGY SINGERS" Piantelli understands what > happens, what works and what NOT. > > Zirconium works- it is a really nice metal. > > Peter > > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: > > Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: > > > > > http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Poland/ > > > > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Oops my spell checker must have changed "electrino" to 'election'. 'Electrino' is a word in few dictionaries .. From: Jones Subject: RE: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland Peter, The Polish device seems not to involve hydrogen, no? There is talk of an "election" or fractional electron at least in the PESN write-up I was in the process of trying to find something serious on this topic (aside from the FQHQ) and this turned up http://benevolententerprises.org/books/adv%20e%20phys.pdf Jones From: Peter Gluck A predictable event. In a message, I have received yesterday from Piantelli- re his LENR ideas (I am just translating it), he wrote inter alia: Why Pd is functioning badly? The answer is in the electronic conformation of Pd which compared to that of Nickel is more compact and therefore requires a higher kinetic energy for H- to overcome the greater energetic gap. Because we cannot go beyond a certain temperature, few H- ions have a sufficient energy (The cluster nanostructures are deteriorated at much lower temperatures than the bulk metal) The outer shell of electrons is much compact for Pd and more soft and this is the difference between the two metals. ( Zr works better than Pd) For example, based on the electronic conformation, it is sure that Cu, Ag, and Pt work even worse. Ni and many other transition metals have a more favorable conformation. I intend to expand later this very important concept closely related to the explanation of the anomalous phenomena, with the calculations and data I have in my possession" As I wrote in my small joke "NEW ENERGY SINGERS" Piantelli understands what happens, what works and what NOT. Zirconium works- it is a really nice metal. Peter On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Polan d/
RE: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Peter, The Polish device seems not to involve hydrogen, no? There is talk of an "election" or fractional electron at least in the PESN write-up I was in the process of trying to find something serious on this topic (aside from the FQHQ) and this turned up http://benevolententerprises.org/books/adv%20e%20phys.pdf Jones From: Peter Gluck A predictable event. In a message, I have received yesterday from Piantelli- re his LENR ideas (I am just translating it), he wrote inter alia: Why Pd is functioning badly? The answer is in the electronic conformation of Pd which compared to that of Nickel is more compact and therefore requires a higher kinetic energy for H- to overcome the greater energetic gap. Because we cannot go beyond a certain temperature, few H- ions have a sufficient energy (The cluster nanostructures are deteriorated at much lower temperatures than the bulk metal) The outer shell of electrons is much compact for Pd and more soft and this is the difference between the two metals. ( Zr works better than Pd) For example, based on the electronic conformation, it is sure that Cu, Ag, and Pt work even worse. Ni and many other transition metals have a more favorable conformation. I intend to expand later this very important concept closely related to the explanation of the anomalous phenomena, with the calculations and data I have in my possession" As I wrote in my small joke "NEW ENERGY SINGERS" Piantelli understands what happens, what works and what NOT. Zirconium works- it is a really nice metal. Peter On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Polan d/
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
The Italians have a nice saying "Festina lente" We will soon know much better what happens in the LENR systems that generate real energy. Peter On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:38 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: > > > http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Poland/ > > As Spock would say: "Fascinating." > > This would tend to lend credence to speculation that what has been > described as the "lenr-canr" process, as revealed/implied by Rossi, > Mills, and now Bolotov, involves a brand new branch of physics that is > going to eventually lead to several billion-trillion dollar global > industries. > > Assuming Bolotov's entry turns out to be validated, it suggests to me > that what we currently call "transmutation" is really not an exception > to Mother Nature's rules. "Transmutation" may turn out to be be very > common natural process under proper environmental conditions. Once we > acquire a better understanding of the fundamental principals that > govern how "transmutation" occurs I get the impression that we may > eventually be able to forge just about any element we wish - perhaps > ECONOMICALLY too! ...possibly including the specific species of > isotope as well. > > Also of importance: Perhaps radioactive elements can eventually be > readjusted to stable isotopes as well. > > Has the magic black box arrived??? > > Regards > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
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> Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: > http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Poland/ As Spock would say: "Fascinating." This would tend to lend credence to speculation that what has been described as the "lenr-canr" process, as revealed/implied by Rossi, Mills, and now Bolotov, involves a brand new branch of physics that is going to eventually lead to several billion-trillion dollar global industries. Assuming Bolotov's entry turns out to be validated, it suggests to me that what we currently call "transmutation" is really not an exception to Mother Nature's rules. "Transmutation" may turn out to be be very common natural process under proper environmental conditions. Once we acquire a better understanding of the fundamental principals that govern how "transmutation" occurs I get the impression that we may eventually be able to forge just about any element we wish - perhaps ECONOMICALLY too! ...possibly including the specific species of isotope as well. Also of importance: Perhaps radioactive elements can eventually be readjusted to stable isotopes as well. Has the magic black box arrived??? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
A predictable event. In a message, I have received yesterday from Piantelli- re his LENR ideas (I am just translating it), he wrote inter alia: "Why Pd is functioning badly? The answer is in the electronic conformation of Pd which compared to that of Nickel is more compact and therefore requires a higher kinetic energy for H- to overcome the greater energetic gap. Because we cannot go beyond a certain temperature, few H- ions have a sufficient energy (The cluster nanostructures are deteriorated at much lower temperatures than the bulk metal) The outer shell of electrons is much compact for Pd and more soft and this is the difference between the two metals*. ( Zr works better than Pd)* For example, based on the electronic conformation, it is sure that Cu, Ag, and Pt work even worse. Ni and many other transition metals have a more favorable conformation. I intend to expand later this very important concept closely related to the explanation of the anomalous phenomena, with the calculations and data I have in my possession" As I wrote in my small joke "NEW ENERGY SINGERS" Piantelli understands what happes, what works and what NOT. Zirconium works- it is a really nice metal. Peter On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: > > > http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Poland/ > > - Jed > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:PESN reports zirconium cold fusion in Poland
Somewhat similar to Rossi. See: http://pesn.com/2011/03/30/9501800_Zirconium_Flavored_Cold_Fusion_from_Poland/ - Jed
