RE: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
BTW – back to Bob’s thought experiment. One possibility which we have talked about in the past as a resource for this species is the solar wind, which could contain a percentage of Df/H. Supposedly the species would be formed in the Sun’s corona. Most of it cannot escape but some would be pushed out in solar storms. Even if it is a small percentage of solar wind – it would be cumulative over billions of years and most would end up in the oceans. This opens up the possibility of “harvesting” Df/H from the deep oceans. Possibly this could be done with a magnet ! Adds a whole new meaning to “trolling”… You might compare Df/H to a gas of stable neutrons. If stable neutrons could exist, they would cause spontaneous isotopic shifts from thermal collisions with atoms. In thought experiments, this is how I think of f/H -- as somewhat larger and slightly positively charged neutrons (statistically speaking), which, should they react with something, the reaction would be proton capture rather than neutron capture. One property which would make f/H very different – at least in how it interacts with other particles – i.e. different from a “large neutron” is that the strong force is not a factor in the interactions with other particles. The electrons of f/H are tightly bound, but effectively shield the strong force so it does not come into play. The strong force interaction is essentially the main reason why the neutron can react so easily, as it much stronger than at close distance than electromagnetism. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
This was not verbalized very well – the “shielding” would be in keeping the other particle at bay instead of neutralizing the force. This would be more like an offset or a protective cage than a shield. From: Eric Walker The electrons of f/H are tightly bound, but effectively shield the strong force so it does not come into play. I believe leptons are transparent to the strong interaction and so will provide precious little shielding against it. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > The electrons of f/H are tightly bound, but effectively shield the strong > force so it does not come into play. I believe leptons are transparent to the strong interaction and so will provide precious little shielding against it. Eric
RE: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
From: Eric Walker Bob Higgins wrote: You might compare Df/H to a gas of stable neutrons. If stable neutrons could exist, they would cause spontaneous isotopic shifts from thermal collisions with atoms. In thought experiments, this is how I think of f/H -- as somewhat larger and slightly positively charged neutrons (statistically speaking), which, should they react with something, the reaction would be proton capture rather than neutron capture. One property which would make f/H very different – at least in how it interacts with other particles – i.e. different from a “large neutron” is that the strong force is not a factor in the interactions with other particles. The electrons of f/H are tightly bound, but effectively shield the strong force so it does not come into play. The strong force interaction is essentially the main reason why the neutron can react so easily, as it much stronger than at close distance than electromagnetism. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
I wrote: This possibility of a large interaction cross section ... > It occurs to me that f/H will necessarily undergo collisions just like any other species (including neutrons). Presumably that kinetic energy will occasionally be passed on in inelastic collisions and reinflate the erstwhile epistemologically undetectable creatures. It is hard to see how a gas of f/H could avoid such collisions and reappear from out of the void into the world of scientifically detectable entities. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: You might compare Df/H to a gas of stable neutrons. If stable neutrons > could exist, they would cause spontaneous isotopic shifts from thermal > collisions with atoms. > In thought experiments, this is how I think of f/H -- as somewhat larger and slightly positively charged neutrons (statistically speaking), which, should they react with something, the reaction would be proton capture rather than neutron capture. (I assume the electron would be ejected.) This leads me to believe that a large quantity of the stuff passing through the wall of a device would be quite detectable; not from the f/H themselves, but from their reactions with surrounding material. Neutrons definitely lead to activation and interact with their surroundings in this manner; if a comparable quantity of f/H did not interact on a similar level (but in a different way), there would need to be a good explanation for this. This possibility of a large interaction cross section in turn leads me to the conclusion that f/H is an unlikely candidate for dark matter, which presumed to be the majority of matter in the universe and, I understand, is thought to be able to pass through normal matter without interacting. (Not that I'm that big a fan of the idea of dark matter.) Eric
Re: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
Agree, Our weather disturbances are inflating vacuum. It bends and lenses electromagnetic radiation (light and Doppler). We are all decaying in a cosmic wash and rinse cycle. Stewart Darkmattersalot On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > > > > *From:* Bob Higgins > > > > As a thought experiment I asked myself, "What would I observe if DDL state > hydrogen was ubiquitous?"… In effect, it could be all around us and within > condensed matter in arbitrary density. So how could it be detected? > > > > One thought is that being dense, stable and neutral – the core of earth > could consist mostly of Df/H instead of, or in addition, to iron. > > > > Some of that large population of df/H (dark matter) would continually > reinflate releasing the 3.6 keV x-ray to provide the heat which we know is > being formed continually - and then come to the surface. On the way to the > surface, these warm protons, now reinflated, would combine with carbon to > form petroleum. There is good evidence that at least half of all petroleum > derives from “another source” than the decay of plant material. > > > > Jones >
RE: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
“Abiogenic” is the word I was trying to remember… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin From: Bob Higgins As a thought experiment I asked myself, "What would I observe if DDL state hydrogen was ubiquitous?"… In effect, it could be all around us and within condensed matter in arbitrary density. So how could it be detected? One thought is that being dense, stable and neutral – the core of earth could consist mostly of Df/H instead of, or in addition, to iron. Some of that large population of df/H (dark matter) would continually reinflate releasing the 3.6 keV x-ray to provide the heat which we know is being formed continually - and then come to the surface. On the way to the surface, these warm protons, now reinflated, would combine with carbon to form petroleum. There is good evidence that at least half of all petroleum derives from “another source” than the decay of plant material. Jones
RE: [Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
From: Bob Higgins As a thought experiment I asked myself, "What would I observe if DDL state hydrogen was ubiquitous?"… In effect, it could be all around us and within condensed matter in arbitrary density. So how could it be detected? One thought is that being dense, stable and neutral – the core of earth could consist mostly of Df/H instead of, or in addition, to iron. Some of that large population of df/H (dark matter) would continually reinflate releasing the 3.6 keV x-ray to provide the heat which we know is being formed continually - and then come to the surface. On the way to the surface, these warm protons, now reinflated, would combine with carbon to form petroleum. There is good evidence that at least half of all petroleum derives from “another source” than the decay of plant material. Jones
[Vo]:Properties of ubiquitous DDL state H?
As a thought experiment I asked myself, "What would I observe if DDL state hydrogen was ubiquitous?". What follows may be naive, please feel free to say so. We have talked about creating and/or using DDL state hydrogen as part of LENR, but if this DDL state exists as has been described, DDL hydrogen (we can call it Df/H) may be very stable because it cannot interact with photons. It is of such small size that it would readily pass through containers and equalize the pressure on the inside and outside. It would be very difficult to create a pressure difference in the ubiquitous gas. Because of this, we wouldn't see pressure effects of this as a gas. In an RGA, it wouldn't show because you wouldn't be able to produce the ionized species to accelerate. In effect, it could be all around us and within condensed matter in arbitrary density. So how could it be detected? You might compare Df/H to a gas of stable neutrons. If stable neutrons could exist, they would cause spontaneous isotopic shifts from thermal collisions with atoms. The neutron gas density would decline and one would observe isotopic shifts. But Df/H gas would not behave as neutrons - once the Df/H began to penetrate the electron cloud of another nucleus it would experience a smaller Coulomb repulsion [than H] and would still provide a largely elastic collision. However, it seems that Df/H could still cause spontaneous isotopic shift/transmutation from nuclear reactions that would statistically occur in some thermal collisions - at a much greater rate than with H. Could such thermal collisions with a ubiquitous Df/H be responsible for observed but unexplained spontaneous radioactive decay? What other behaviors would be expected of a ubiquitous Df/H gas? What would refute its existence? Bob Higgins
